The Angel Guzman Rehab Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

I question the assumption that the bullpen is the best place for him. A starter goes on a regular basis and can prepare accordingly. If a pitcher has a lower tolerance, that can be accounted for. Look how the Cubs have been using Harden. Why not use tweeners like Marshall and Guzman, I would include Wood, in tandems. I think Piniella thinks of using Marshall to piggyback on Harden in the right circumstance (he likes the righty/lefty to force the opposition to make the first strategic choice). If Guzman is eventually healthy, why not go five innings every five days as long as there is a two or three inning guy behind him (also on a schedule). Nobody wants to be different I guess.

 

I'm all for the concept of co-starters piggybacking in starts. But I'm not even sure Guzman can go 5 innings every 5 games.

 

How about three every three?

 

I just don't see him throwing 162 innings a season.

[Lefty]

I question the assumption that the bullpen is the best place for him. A starter goes on a regular basis and can prepare accordingly. If a pitcher has a lower tolerance, that can be accounted for. Look how the Cubs have been using Harden. Why not use tweeners like Marshall and Guzman, I would include Wood, in tandems. I think Piniella thinks of using Marshall to piggyback on Harden in the right circumstance (he likes the righty/lefty to force the opposition to make the first strategic choice). If Guzman is eventually healthy, why not go five innings every five days as long as there is a two or three inning guy behind him (also on a schedule). Nobody wants to be different I guess.

 

What other pitcher would you do that with lefty? It's not a bad idea and if it works out for Guzman and the Cubs could afford to do this by waiting for him to pitch 2 to 3 innings every 5th day it could work. What happens if say....he's matched up with Lilly and Lilly goes 7 and Marmol goes 8 and Wood 9. Do you pitch Guz w/another starter or do you wait for Lilly's next start?

 

In such a case you would have to figure out something new for that turn of the rotation. Maybe a couple of innings of mop up and then a reassessment.

 

When I think of pure MLB piggybacking, I am thinking of synergy. Marshall has not proven to be a "horse" though he can be pretty effective. A plan of 5 for Marshall 2 or 3 for Guzman every five days can be a slot. Of course I am thinking that such a slot could probably go on three days rest. So I suppose you can dismiss me, not at all unreasonably, of upsetting the apple cart too much. My general point is that Guzman might not fit into the cookie cutter concepts that have evolved with pitchers, starter;set-up;closer, and as a result becomes a wasted asset.

[CuseCubFan69]

I question the assumption that the bullpen is the best place for him. A starter goes on a regular basis and can prepare accordingly. If a pitcher has a lower tolerance, that can be accounted for. Look how the Cubs have been using Harden. Why not use tweeners like Marshall and Guzman, I would include Wood, in tandems. I think Piniella thinks of using Marshall to piggyback on Harden in the right circumstance (he likes the righty/lefty to force the opposition to make the first strategic choice). If Guzman is eventually healthy, why not go five innings every five days as long as there is a two or three inning guy behind him (also on a schedule). Nobody wants to be different I guess.

 

What other pitcher would you do that with lefty? It's not a bad idea and if it works out for Guzman and the Cubs could afford to do this by waiting for him to pitch 2 to 3 innings every 5th day it could work. What happens if say....he's matched up with Lilly and Lilly goes 7 and Marmol goes 8 and Wood 9. Do you pitch Guz w/another starter or do you wait for Lilly's next start?

 

In such a case you would have to figure out something new for that turn of the rotation. Maybe a couple of innings of mop up and then a reassessment.

 

When I think of pure MLB piggybacking, I am thinking of synergy. Marshall has not proven to be a "horse" though he can be pretty effective. A plan of 5 for Marshall 2 or 3 for Guzman every five days can be a slot. Of course I am thinking that such a slot could probably go on three days rest. So I suppose you can dismiss me, not at all unreasonably, of upsetting the apple cart too much. My general point is that Guzman might not fit into the cookie cutter concepts that have evolved with pitchers, starter;set-up;closer, and as a result becomes a wasted asset.

 

I think it's a pretty good idea but it might have limits because of the numbers of pitchers available in the pen for the other starters.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

When I think of pure MLB piggybacking, I am thinking of synergy. Marshall has not proven to be a "horse" though he can be pretty effective. A plan of 5 for Marshall 2 or 3 for Guzman every five days can be a slot. Of course I am thinking that such a slot could probably go on three days rest. So I suppose you can dismiss me, not at all unreasonably, of upsetting the apple cart too much. My general point is that Guzman might not fit into the cookie cutter concepts that have evolved with pitchers, starter;set-up;closer, and as a result becomes a wasted asset.

 

That would not make him a wasted asset. It could be an inneficient usage of an asset, but he'd still be an asset and provide value.

 

I would like to see something like Marshall/Guzman being the

"5th starter". But instead of going on 3 days rest, I think it could be more valuable to actually have the one of those guys who is going shorter, be available out of the bullpen for somebody else. In other words, if Zambrano and Dempster are pitching before and after the day Marzman pitches, then one of those pitchers is going to be available to pitch on the days Harden or Lilly throws.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

If the intent is to keep Guzman in the pen, they really have the potential for a studly young bullpen the next few years.

 

Marmol

Shark

Guzman

Cashner(assuming he accelerates rapidly)

[Jehrico]

If the intent is to keep Guzman in the pen, they really have the potential for a studly young bullpen the next few years.

 

Marmol

Shark

Guzman

Cashner(assuming he accelerates rapidly)

Considering the amount of money they threw at Shark, I don't think they see him as a reliever in the long term. He'll be given a shot at competing for that 5th slot next spring if he keeps up what he's been doing.

[Pushfrog98]

I question the assumption that the bullpen is the best place for him. A starter goes on a regular basis and can prepare accordingly. If a pitcher has a lower tolerance, that can be accounted for. Look how the Cubs have been using Harden. Why not use tweeners like Marshall and Guzman, I would include Wood, in tandems. I think Piniella thinks of using Marshall to piggyback on Harden in the right circumstance (he likes the righty/lefty to force the opposition to make the first strategic choice). If Guzman is eventually healthy, why not go five innings every five days as long as there is a two or three inning guy behind him (also on a schedule). Nobody wants to be different I guess.

 

I'm all for the concept of co-starters piggybacking in starts. But I'm not even sure Guzman can go 5 innings every 5 games.

 

How about three every three?

 

I just don't see him throwing 162 innings a season.

ok then, how about 2 every 2?

[Guest]

Angel has been moved to Iowa and will start for the I-Cubs tomorrow. After that start, he'll head to Iowa's pen to get used to relieving.

 

He was supposed to make two starts for Tennessee but I guess one was all he needed.

[Guest]

First start at AAA: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 4 GO-2 FO, 34 pitches (20 strikes).

[Brett]

Wow, so maybe he *will* be called up in September to join the pen. I'm surprised.

[Guest]

Wow, so maybe he *will* be called up in September to join the pen. I'm surprised.

 

It seems more than likely.

 

Tribune[/url]"]Angel Guzman has moved up to Triple-A Iowa and will make his second rehab start Sunday. Guzman is likely to be called up when rosters expand in September.

 

Bruce Miles | Daily Herald[/url]"]Pitcher Angel Guzman, who is rehabbing from elbow surgery, figures to be a call-up...

[Coach C]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

[SouthSideRyan]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

There's no maybe about it. Howry's spot is Gooz's to steal with a good September.

[Guest]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

Without a doubt. He might not need to dominate, even.

[Jehrico]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

Without a doubt. He might not need to dominate, even.

If you throw strikes and get guys out when the team needs it, all Lou needs to see is about a month to be on board. See: 2007 Kevin Hart.

[Coach C]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

There's no maybe about it. Howry's spot is Gooz's to steal with a good September.

 

That's who exactly I had in mind in terms of Guzman making into the playoff roster with Howry being left out.

[Jehrico]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

There's no maybe about it. Howry's spot is Gooz's to steal with a good September.

 

That's who exactly I had in mind in terms of Guzman making into the playoff roster with Howry being left out.

For some reason, Lou still believes in Howry. You don't need 5 starters in the playoffs, and Lou has never liked Marquis. I could see Gooz making the team at Marquis expense instead of Howry. I hate to say it, but I'd rather have Marquis than Howry on the playoff roster at this point.

[Guest]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

There's no maybe about it. Howry's spot is Gooz's to steal with a good September.

 

That's who exactly I had in mind in terms of Guzman making into the playoff roster with Howry being left out.

For some reason, Lou still believes in Howry. You don't need 5 starters in the playoffs, and Lou has never liked Marquis. I could see Gooz making the team at Marquis expense instead of Howry. I hate to say it, but I'd rather have Marquis than Howry on the playoff roster at this point.

 

Lou likes Howry because Howry throws strikes. Above all, Lou hates pitchers who walk batters.

[CubColtPacer]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

There's no maybe about it. Howry's spot is Gooz's to steal with a good September.

 

That's who exactly I had in mind in terms of Guzman making into the playoff roster with Howry being left out.

For some reason, Lou still believes in Howry. You don't need 5 starters in the playoffs, and Lou has never liked Marquis. I could see Gooz making the team at Marquis expense instead of Howry. I hate to say it, but I'd rather have Marquis than Howry on the playoff roster at this point.

 

It might not be the competition betweenthem. The Cubs will likely use only 11 pitchers in the playoffs. The pitchers who seem to be locks:

 

Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly as starters

Wood, Marmol, Cotts, Samardzija, Gaudin

 

That leaves 2 spots for Marshall, Howry, Marquis, Guzman, etc.

 

So it's certainly possible that both Marquis and Howry will get left off the roster. I don't see that happening, but if Howry continues to go the way he's been going it could.

[bukie]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

There's no maybe about it. Howry's spot is Gooz's to steal with a good September.

 

That's who exactly I had in mind in terms of Guzman making into the playoff roster with Howry being left out.

For some reason, Lou still believes in Howry. You don't need 5 starters in the playoffs, and Lou has never liked Marquis. I could see Gooz making the team at Marquis expense instead of Howry. I hate to say it, but I'd rather have Marquis than Howry on the playoff roster at this point.

 

It might not be the competition betweenthem. The Cubs will likely use only 11 pitchers in the playoffs. The pitchers who seem to be locks:

 

Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly as starters

Wood, Marmol, Cotts, Samardzija, Gaudin

 

That leaves 2 spots for Marshall, Howry, Marquis, Guzman, etc.

 

So it's certainly possible that both Marquis and Howry will get left off the roster. I don't see that happening, but if Howry continues to go the way he's been going it could.

 

If I could view things from the inside of Lou's mind, I would imagine he'd want another lefty to "balance" out the staff, and he's liked Marshall all year (well, "liked" relative to other lefty options), so I'd guess he's on the roster. Last spot would probably be Howry's to lose, and Lou is going to give him every chance to keep it unless Guzman comes up and is dynamite in September.

[Illini Iceman]

What is the possibility of Guzman making into the playoff roster with the Cubs as a reliever if he dominates during September?

 

There's no maybe about it. Howry's spot is Gooz's to steal with a good September.

 

That's who exactly I had in mind in terms of Guzman making into the playoff roster with Howry being left out.

For some reason, Lou still believes in Howry. You don't need 5 starters in the playoffs, and Lou has never liked Marquis. I could see Gooz making the team at Marquis expense instead of Howry. I hate to say it, but I'd rather have Marquis than Howry on the playoff roster at this point.

 

It might not be the competition betweenthem. The Cubs will likely use only 11 pitchers in the playoffs. The pitchers who seem to be locks:

 

Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly as starters

Wood, Marmol, Cotts, Samardzija, Gaudin

 

That leaves 2 spots for Marshall, Howry, Marquis, Guzman, etc.

 

So it's certainly possible that both Marquis and Howry will get left off the roster. I don't see that happening, but if Howry continues to go the way he's been going it could.

 

If I could view things from the inside of Lou's mind, I would imagine he'd want another lefty to "balance" out the staff, and he's liked Marshall all year (well, "liked" relative to other lefty options), so I'd guess he's on the roster. Last spot would probably be Howry's to lose, and Lou is going to give him every chance to keep it unless Guzman comes up and is dynamite in September.

 

As ineffective has Howry has been he would be more valuable on the playoff roster than Marquis. Marquis has no experience pitching in relief so he would pretty much be useless unless he was needed to mop up a very bad, short outing by one of the starters. Even then the Cubs will probably be pretty much on a 3 man rotation for most of the playoffs so they would have whoever the 4th starter is at that point (Lilly?) to fill that role.

[bukie]

As ineffective has Howry has been he would be more valuable on the playoff roster than Marquis. Marquis has no experience pitching in relief so he would pretty much be useless unless he was needed to mop up a very bad, short outing by one of the starters. Even then the Cubs will probably be pretty much on a 3 man rotation for most of the playoffs so they would have whoever the 4th starter is at that point (Lilly?) to fill that role.

 

I never even mentioned Marquis as an option. He isn't one.

[Illini Iceman]

As ineffective has Howry has been he would be more valuable on the playoff roster than Marquis. Marquis has no experience pitching in relief so he would pretty much be useless unless he was needed to mop up a very bad, short outing by one of the starters. Even then the Cubs will probably be pretty much on a 3 man rotation for most of the playoffs so they would have whoever the 4th starter is at that point (Lilly?) to fill that role.

 

I never even mentioned Marquis as an option. He isn't one.

 

Jehrico said it in the post one above the one you replied to.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I didnt realise that Gooz was only 26. I thought he was about 28-29 by now. So maybe there is a chance for him to be what weve hoped for for the past 5 years.

[biittner77]

Rotation- 4 man to avoid anyone going on short rest

Zambrano

Harden

Dempster

Lilliy

 

BP- 7 which allows for an extra position player, possibly a RH hitter with some power.

Wood

Marmol

Simardzilla

Cotts

Marshall

Guzman- Piniella will want another power arm

Gaudin

 

The X factor is Jon Lieber. Did Hendry promise him a playoff spot in exchange for his "Foot injury?" He'd replace Guzman or Gaudin unless someone else is hurt.