Unearned run question

[rocket]

Ok, so all of Dempster's 5 runs were unearned today. I want to know how that's possible since he gave up a home run to Dunn. Maybe he's not responsible for the baserunner that was on during the home run, but it's ridiculous that he isn't responsible for the ball traveling approximately 500 feet. I don't see how that can be justified, even if it happened after what was supposed to be the 3rd out.

[Wilson A2000]

The inning should have ended, so Dempster is not responsible for anything that comes after that

[javy knows my name]

Ok, so all of Dempster's 5 runs were unearned today. I want to know how that's possible since he gave up a home run to Dunn. Maybe he's not responsible for the baserunner that was on during the home run, but it's ridiculous that he isn't responsible for the ball traveling approximately 500 feet. I don't see how that can be justified, even if it happened after what was supposed to be the 3rd out.

God am I glad I didn't get this game on tv today

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't remember what game I was watching, but this exact scenario came up with the 2 out HR after the error, and the pitcher was charged with an earned run for the HR. I thought they changed the rule to count HRs as earned no matter what.

[MPrior]

Just one illustration of why ERA is a highly flawed stat.

[17 Seconds]

Because the inning should have been over.

[fromthestretch]

Because the inning should have been over.

 

Keep in mind though that if a reliever came in and gave up a home run in that situation, the run would be earned to the relief pitcher and unearned to the team.

[Banedon]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

[CubinNY]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

[Banedon]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

Why should he get off scott free? He still gave up the tater.

[fromthestretch]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

Why should he get off scott free? He still gave up the tater.

 

He also did what he needed to do to get out of the inning, and the defense let him down.

[Derwood]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

right, it's a team game, and the team lost because Dempster coughed up a 2 mile bomb to Dunn. but according to his ERA, he was totally awesome, so we get to win the game, right?

[C.C.]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

right, it's a team game, and the team lost because Dempster coughed up a 2 mile bomb to Dunn. but according to his ERA, he was totally awesome, so we get to win the game, right?

 

The team lost because the defense, baserunning, and the offense let us down. Dempster wasn't bad last night.

Edited May 6, 2008 by C.C.

[CubinNY]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

right, it's a team game, and the team lost because Dempster coughed up a 2 mile bomb to Dunn. but according to his ERA, he was totally awesome, so we get to win the game, right?

what does winning the game have to do with with this discussion?

 

NOTHING

 

[Banedon]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

Why should he get off scott free? He still gave up the tater.

 

He also did what he needed to do to get out of the inning, and the defense let him down.

 

I'm not asking that unearned runs go away, but I just don't see a homer as unearned. Count the runner that got on because of there error unearned, fine, but Dunn should've been earned IMO.

 

How many times do guys save pitchers earned runs with spectacular plays on balls that should have been hits? You don't see them saying "Well that SHOULD have been a run scoring triple, but so and so just made a great diving catch, but we'll count it on my ERA because it SHOULD have fallen in."

[Jon]

But ERA is the only stat that it doesn't reflect upon. He still got the loss, which most people in baseball value over ERA, and his other stats remain effected by the "unearned" HR. I don't think it's that big of a deal one way or the other.

[fromthestretch]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

Why should he get off scott free? He still gave up the tater.

 

He also did what he needed to do to get out of the inning, and the defense let him down.

 

I'm not asking that unearned runs go away, but I just don't see a homer as unearned. Count the runner that got on because of there error unearned, fine, but Dunn should've been earned IMO.

 

How many times do guys save pitchers earned runs with spectacular plays on balls that should have been hits? You don't see them saying "Well that SHOULD have been a run scoring triple, but so and so just made a great diving catch, but we'll count it on my ERA because it SHOULD have fallen in."

 

There are also times where a pitcher induces a ground ball for a double play to get out of an inning, the defense only manages to get one out instead of two without an error being charged, and an earned run ends up scoring either on that play or soon after. It tends to balance out.

[Wilson A2000]

Let's not forget that Dempster did get the loss. It is called EARNED run average for a reason. If he didn't earn the run by pitching badly, he shouldn't be held responsible. Edited May 6, 2008 by Wilson A2000

[rocket]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

because theoretically, wouldn't he just give up that home run the next inning?

[Banedon]

Let's not forget that Dempster did get the loss. It is called EARNED run average for a reason. If he didn't earn the run by pitching badly, he shouldn't be held responsible.

 

But he did. He threw a meatball to Dunn.

[CubinNY]

Let's not forget that Dempster did get the loss. It is called EARNED run average for a reason. If he didn't earn the run by pitching badly, he shouldn't be held responsible.

 

But he did. He threw a meatball to Dunn.

That was a meatball too. Man Dun hit that ball far.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

 

I thought the runner was offsides and the home run should have been called back.

[jersey cubs fan]

But ERA is the only stat that it doesn't reflect upon. He still got the loss, which most people in baseball value over ERA, and his other stats remain effected by the "unearned" HR. I don't think it's that big of a deal one way or the other.

 

Yepper. It's an oddity, but that's about all it is. This doesn't mean ERA is meaningless, it means it doesn't tell you everything. But there's plenty of other things to tell you how a guy pitched. Not that big of a deal.

[Derwood]

why not spread this idea to other sports? i think football should have unearned interceptions when the ball hits a guy in the chest and bounces to the defender or is tipped at the line of scrimmage

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

right, it's a team game, and the team lost because Dempster coughed up a 2 mile bomb to Dunn. but according to his ERA, he was totally awesome, so we get to win the game, right?

 

Dempster was totally awesome last night. He gave up 2 bombs, that's it.