Unearned run question

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The entire concept of errors is antiquated and outdated, not to mention poorly applied.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

right, it's a team game, and the team lost because Dempster coughed up a 2 mile bomb to Dunn. but according to his ERA, he was totally awesome, so we get to win the game, right?

 

Dempster was totally awesome last night. He gave up 2 bombs, that's it.

 

Was he behind in the count when they hit the HR's?

[crazycooter]

I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

because theoretically, wouldn't he just give up that home run the next inning?

Only if you assume that both Dunn and Dempster would have approached the AB in the same way under the different set of circumstances.

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I'm glad someone started this thread, because I thought this rule was pretty ridiculous. Calling a homer unearned is just dumb...no matter what happen prior to it.

I don't think so. Baseball is a team game unless the pitcher strikes out 27 guys and gives up no hits. If a player makes an error in the field (non pitcher) and the next guy comes up and hits a tater why should the pitcher bear the brunt?

 

right, it's a team game, and the team lost because Dempster coughed up a 2 mile bomb to Dunn. but according to his ERA, he was totally awesome, so we get to win the game, right?

 

A pitcher is required to get 3 outs to end an inning. Demster got all 3 of the outs. If there were 4 outs an inning you'd see a lot more bombs.

[17 Seconds]

Let's not forget that Dempster did get the loss. It is called EARNED run average for a reason. If he didn't earn the run by pitching badly, he shouldn't be held responsible.

 

But he did. He threw a meatball to Dunn.

 

But he did his part for the inning not to even get to Dunn. Not facing Dunn that inning= impossible for Dunn to hit a home run that inning. Now I guess you could argue that Dunn would have hit the home run leading off the next inning, but everything would have been different.

[Colin Wyers]

Let's not forget that Dempster did get the loss. It is called EARNED run average for a reason. If he didn't earn the run by pitching badly, he shouldn't be held responsible.

 

But he did. He threw a meatball to Dunn.

 

But he did his part for the inning not to even get to Dunn. Not facing Dunn that inning= impossible for Dunn to hit a home run that inning. Now I guess you could argue that Dunn would have hit the home run leading off the next inning, but everything would have been different.

 

And ERA handles the matter by presuming that Dempster doesn't face Dunn at all that time in the lineup. Which is clearly wrong.

 

The fact is that the error is a poor tool for measuring defense, and thus next to worthless in trying to evaluate pitchers in a defense-neutral context. It's an utterly meaningless distinction.

[Banedon]

Let's not forget that Dempster did get the loss. It is called EARNED run average for a reason. If he didn't earn the run by pitching badly, he shouldn't be held responsible.

 

But he did. He threw a meatball to Dunn.

 

But he did his part for the inning not to even get to Dunn. Not facing Dunn that inning= impossible for Dunn to hit a home run that inning. Now I guess you could argue that Dunn would have hit the home run leading off the next inning, but everything would have been different.

 

And ERA handles the matter by presuming that Dempster doesn't face Dunn at all that time in the lineup. Which is clearly wrong.

 

The fact is that the error is a poor tool for measuring defense, and thus next to worthless in trying to evaluate pitchers in a defense-neutral context. It's an utterly meaningless distinction.

 

Yes, this.

 

How about this...lets say that Dunn didn't hit a homer. He hit a ground ball to third and the third baseman boots it...everyone is safe. Shouldn't we not give the 3B an error because he never would have made that error if it weren't for the error that previously kept the inning alive? (Crappy wording, but hope you get the gist.)