Lou Pinella, What the hell are you doing?

[Keener98]

Ok, Ive had it with Lou. He has made so many mistakes, and over managed so much this year its ridiculous. Just from last nights game, lets start with having a starting pitcher, who has a history of control problems, sit for 9 days in between starts. Yea good call Lou, that will help him throw strikes. Secondly, in a game where we had to bring in the bullpen in the 1st inning, its absolutely ignorant to have any pitcher throw to just one batter, especially when that pitcher is a starter. Let Marshall pitch to more than just damn lefties, and maybe we could have saved our pen just a little last night. Thirdly, why in the hell did Lou let Cedeno bat, and then not let him take the field, while bringing in another 2nd baseman at the same time? Seriously, Lou let Cedeno play, and quit burning players throughout the game. And lastly, Chad Fox threw a good inning last night. However, there is no excuse for not bringing in Marmol as soon as somebody reached against Fox, none.

 

And all of this isnt even counting leaving Soriano in to play LF against the Brewers.

 

Ok thats it just from last nights game, but Lou the entire year has pissed me off, and made ignorant decision after ignorant decision, and Ive had it.

[17 Seconds]

Yeah, he's been pretty brutal so far this season. I don't remember him being this bad in 2007.

[C.C.]

His over-managing is a bit out of control this year.

[Tyrant]

Just from last nights game, lets start with having a starting pitcher, who has a history of control problems, sit for 9 days in between starts. Yea good call Lou, that will help him throw strikes.

 

Ridiculous. Hill is a frigging major-league pitcher. He should be able to throw strikes after skipping a start. He had side sessions and bullpen work. It's not like he didn't pick up a baseball for six months.

 

Why are people here to ready to apologize for certain players and so ready to jump all over coaches?

[CubColtPacer]

Hill-agreed, although Hill would have struggled with his control any day you threw him, the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. So his problems last night weren't all on the coaching staff, but they definitely share the blame.

 

Marshall-agreed, although what do you do? Do you let Lieber try to finish the inning there? 4 out of the 5 previous balls hit off Lieber were hit decently hard. It was about time for him to go, and then Marshall's spot came up that next inning.

 

As far as Cedeno and Fontenot, Fontenot came into the game to save the bullpen. Lou decided Howry needed to go 2 innings, and he could have only gone 1 if they had left Cedeno in the game because Cedeno was locked into the 9 spot, while Fontenot could go into the 4 spot. I agree with Lou on this one. They needed Howry at that point to go 2 innings with what they had left behind him in the bullpen.

I would have agreed with it even if it didn't work, but it did. Howry pitched 2 strong innings, and Fontenot got on base twice in 3 tries last night.

 

If you bring in Marmol, you're just creating a worse situation down the road. They didn't want to use Marmol for more than one inning last night, so if you bring in Marmol to relieve Fox and he gets out of the 11th, now you have to use Marquis in the 12th and mess up your rotation. Leaving Fox in was the only course of action at that point.

 

As far as Sori in LF, you had to see during the drills and fielding practice that his range was really poor right now. That was a really bad decision by Lou to leave him in there on Thursday.

[Derwood]

his double switching is beyond Dusty-esque this year. even Len and Bob have trouble keeping up with the thought process

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just from last nights game, lets start with having a starting pitcher, who has a history of control problems, sit for 9 days in between starts. Yea good call Lou, that will help him throw strikes.

 

Ridiculous. Hill is a frigging major-league pitcher. He should be able to throw strikes after skipping a start. He had side sessions and bullpen work. It's not like he didn't pick up a baseball for six months.

 

Why are people here to ready to apologize for certain players and so ready to jump all over coaches?

 

Why does the coaching staff deserve the benefit of the doubt? Their awesome 85-win season?

[Keener98]

Hill-agreed, although Hill would have struggled with his control any day you threw him, the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. So his problems last night weren't all on the coaching staff, but they definitely share the blame.

 

Marshall-agreed, although what do you do? Do you let Lieber try to finish the inning there? 4 out of the 5 previous balls hit off Lieber were hit decently hard. It was about time for him to go, and then Marshall's spot came up that next inning.

 

As far as Cedeno and Fontenot, Fontenot came into the game to save the bullpen. Lou decided Howry needed to go 2 innings, and he could have only gone 1 if they had left Cedeno in the game because Cedeno was locked into the 9 spot, while Fontenot could go into the 4 spot. I agree with Lou on this one. They needed Howry at that point to go 2 innings with what they had left behind him in the bullpen.

I would have agreed with it even if it didn't work, but it did. Howry pitched 2 strong innings, and Fontenot got on base twice in 3 tries last night.

 

If you bring in Marmol, you're just creating a worse situation down the road. They didn't want to use Marmol for more than one inning last night, so if you bring in Marmol to relieve Fox and he gets out of the 11th, now you have to use Marquis in the 12th and mess up your rotation. Leaving Fox in was the only course of action at that point.

 

As far as Sori in LF, you had to see during the drills and fielding practice that his range was really poor right now. That was a really bad decision by Lou to leave him in there on Thursday.

 

Regarding Marmol, you try to win the game you are playing and worry about the future after the game. We have some guys in minors who could have came up and made a spot start if Marquis had been needed last night. Also, this goes back to the whole Marshall thing. Had Lou let him face more than 1 guy, he could have pushed everybody back in the bullpen, but no for some reason Marshall is only allowed to face a lefty. Same goes for the Cedeno/Fontenot thing, it was a product of Lous bad decision making that made this a neccessity.

[Tyrant]

Just from last nights game, lets start with having a starting pitcher, who has a history of control problems, sit for 9 days in between starts. Yea good call Lou, that will help him throw strikes.

 

Ridiculous. Hill is a frigging major-league pitcher. He should be able to throw strikes after skipping a start. He had side sessions and bullpen work. It's not like he didn't pick up a baseball for six months.

 

Why are people here to ready to apologize for certain players and so ready to jump all over coaches?

 

Why does the coaching staff deserve the benefit of the doubt? Their awesome 85-win season?

 

I never said they did. I just think it's weird to blame the coaching staff, and not Rich Hill, for the fact he couldn't throw the ball 45 feet last night.

[Keener98]

Just from last nights game, lets start with having a starting pitcher, who has a history of control problems, sit for 9 days in between starts. Yea good call Lou, that will help him throw strikes.

 

Ridiculous. Hill is a frigging major-league pitcher. He should be able to throw strikes after skipping a start. He had side sessions and bullpen work. It's not like he didn't pick up a baseball for six months.

 

Why are people here to ready to apologize for certain players and so ready to jump all over coaches?

 

Why does the coaching staff deserve the benefit of the doubt? Their awesome 85-win season?

 

I never said they did. I just think it's weird to blame the coaching staff, and not Rich Hill, for the fact he couldn't throw the ball 45 feet last night.

 

You always hear about certain pitchers needing to stay on a strict 5 day routine or it throws them off. This has been said about numerous pitchers. If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I never said they did. I just think it's weird to blame the coaching staff, and not Rich Hill, for the fact he couldn't throw the ball 45 feet last night.

 

What is different between Rich Hill, Awesome 2007 and Rich Hill, Control-Issue 2008 that would cause a change?

 

The only differences I see is that the coaching staff messed with his mechanics and the coaching staff messed with his usage pattern. Both of which are actions that could have been predited to cause control problems.

[C.C.]

Just from last nights game, lets start with having a starting pitcher, who has a history of control problems, sit for 9 days in between starts. Yea good call Lou, that will help him throw strikes.

 

Ridiculous. Hill is a frigging major-league pitcher. He should be able to throw strikes after skipping a start. He had side sessions and bullpen work. It's not like he didn't pick up a baseball for six months.

 

Why are people here to ready to apologize for certain players and so ready to jump all over coaches?

 

Why does the coaching staff deserve the benefit of the doubt? Their awesome 85-win season?

 

I never said they did. I just think it's weird to blame the coaching staff, and not Rich Hill, for the fact he couldn't throw the ball 45 feet last night.

 

You always hear about certain pitchers needing to stay on a strict 5 day routine or it throws them off. This has been said about numerous pitchers. If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem.

 

 

But he had control problems even before the 9 day layoff.

[Keener98]

Just from last nights game, lets start with having a starting pitcher, who has a history of control problems, sit for 9 days in between starts. Yea good call Lou, that will help him throw strikes.

 

Ridiculous. Hill is a frigging major-league pitcher. He should be able to throw strikes after skipping a start. He had side sessions and bullpen work. It's not like he didn't pick up a baseball for six months.

 

Why are people here to ready to apologize for certain players and so ready to jump all over coaches?

 

Why does the coaching staff deserve the benefit of the doubt? Their awesome 85-win season?

 

I never said they did. I just think it's weird to blame the coaching staff, and not Rich Hill, for the fact he couldn't throw the ball 45 feet last night.

 

You always hear about certain pitchers needing to stay on a strict 5 day routine or it throws them off. This has been said about numerous pitchers. If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem.

 

 

But he had control problems even before the 9 day layoff.

 

HIs control problems were definatly more prevalent last night after 9 days off than they had been in his previous starts this year.

[OleMissCub]

I think he should be executed.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*this is just snark in case anyone ever wants to go after NSBB like they did Deadspin and read comments as proof that message board readers are violent idiots.

Edited May 3, 2008 by OleMissCub

[Tyrant]

If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem.

 

He hasn't been throwing strikes ever since he showed up in Mesa this year.

 

To be honest, I'm worried he's hiding an injury.

[Keener98]

If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem.

 

He hasn't been throwing strikes ever since he showed up in Mesa this year.

 

To be honest, I'm worried he's hiding an injury.

 

But his control problems were magnified and worse after being off 9 days. Also his total loss of the strikezone all begun as soon as the Cubs coaching staff started messing with the mechanics of 1 of the top 30 pitchers in baseball last year, hmmm coincidence?

[C.C.]

If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem.

 

He hasn't been throwing strikes ever since he showed up in Mesa this year.

 

To be honest, I'm worried he's hiding an injury.

 

his velocity seems to be fine. I think he's mechanically a mess right now. Give him some time in AAA to get back on track. He'll be fine.

[javy knows my name]

Hill-agreed, although Hill would have struggled with his control any day you threw him, the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. So his problems last night weren't all on the coaching staff, but they definitely share the blame.

 

Marshall-agreed, although what do you do? Do you let Lieber try to finish the inning there? 4 out of the 5 previous balls hit off Lieber were hit decently hard. It was about time for him to go, and then Marshall's spot came up that next inning.

 

As far as Cedeno and Fontenot, Fontenot came into the game to save the bullpen. Lou decided Howry needed to go 2 innings, and he could have only gone 1 if they had left Cedeno in the game because Cedeno was locked into the 9 spot, while Fontenot could go into the 4 spot. I agree with Lou on this one. They needed Howry at that point to go 2 innings with what they had left behind him in the bullpen.

I would have agreed with it even if it didn't work, but it did. Howry pitched 2 strong innings, and Fontenot got on base twice in 3 tries last night.

 

If you bring in Marmol, you're just creating a worse situation down the road. They didn't want to use Marmol for more than one inning last night, so if you bring in Marmol to relieve Fox and he gets out of the 11th, now you have to use Marquis in the 12th and mess up your rotation. Leaving Fox in was the only course of action at that point.

 

As far as Sori in LF, you had to see during the drills and fielding practice that his range was really poor right now. That was a really bad decision by Lou to leave him in there on Thursday.

 

I also thought Kerry Wood should have hit for himself and gone out there again in the tenth. Double-switching Henry in there for him was really not smart. Wood had thrown few pitches and looked great out there.

And Marshall's usage this year is beyond stupid. So frustrating.

[Soul]

If you were to go look over game logs throughout the years, and take every pitcher who is pitching on 7,8 or even 9 days rest Ill bet you control has been a problem.

 

He hasn't been throwing strikes ever since he showed up in Mesa this year.

 

To be honest, I'm worried he's hiding an injury.

 

his velocity seems to be fine. I think he's mechanically a mess right now. Give him some time in AAA to get back on track. He'll be fine.

 

Listening to Lou last night, I think he's going down. He said something to the effect of "I can start Hill anymore, not like this" or whatever.

[CubColtPacer]

Hill-agreed, although Hill would have struggled with his control any day you threw him, the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. So his problems last night weren't all on the coaching staff, but they definitely share the blame.

 

Marshall-agreed, although what do you do? Do you let Lieber try to finish the inning there? 4 out of the 5 previous balls hit off Lieber were hit decently hard. It was about time for him to go, and then Marshall's spot came up that next inning.

 

As far as Cedeno and Fontenot, Fontenot came into the game to save the bullpen. Lou decided Howry needed to go 2 innings, and he could have only gone 1 if they had left Cedeno in the game because Cedeno was locked into the 9 spot, while Fontenot could go into the 4 spot. I agree with Lou on this one. They needed Howry at that point to go 2 innings with what they had left behind him in the bullpen.

I would have agreed with it even if it didn't work, but it did. Howry pitched 2 strong innings, and Fontenot got on base twice in 3 tries last night.

 

If you bring in Marmol, you're just creating a worse situation down the road. They didn't want to use Marmol for more than one inning last night, so if you bring in Marmol to relieve Fox and he gets out of the 11th, now you have to use Marquis in the 12th and mess up your rotation. Leaving Fox in was the only course of action at that point.

 

As far as Sori in LF, you had to see during the drills and fielding practice that his range was really poor right now. That was a really bad decision by Lou to leave him in there on Thursday.

 

Regarding Marmol, you try to win the game you are playing and worry about the future after the game. We have some guys in minors who could have came up and made a spot start if Marquis had been needed last night. Also, this goes back to the whole Marshall thing. Had Lou let him face more than 1 guy, he could have pushed everybody back in the bullpen, but no for some reason Marshall is only allowed to face a lefty. Same goes for the Cedeno/Fontenot thing, it was a product of Lous bad decision making that made this a neccessity.

 

I might agree with you on the general point about Marmol, although when I think about the specific game last night I still think I have more faith in Fox/Marmol than Marmol/Marquis. As average as Marquis is as a starter, he has proven to be really bad out of the pen during his career.

 

As for Marshall, the question remains. Do you leave Lieber in to try to get out of the inning? Do you double-switch when Marshall comes into the game? (which isn't the best part of the batting order for it. The Cubs had just finished with the 5 spot in the order, so there really isn't anybody to double-switch unless you are willing to take Fukudome out in order for Marshall to pitch an extra inning, which I'm not). Those are the only two ways that Marshall could have avoided only pitching to 1 batter, because you had to pinch-hit for him with a runner on.

[Keener98]

Hill-agreed, although Hill would have struggled with his control any day you threw him, the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. So his problems last night weren't all on the coaching staff, but they definitely share the blame.

 

Marshall-agreed, although what do you do? Do you let Lieber try to finish the inning there? 4 out of the 5 previous balls hit off Lieber were hit decently hard. It was about time for him to go, and then Marshall's spot came up that next inning.

 

As far as Cedeno and Fontenot, Fontenot came into the game to save the bullpen. Lou decided Howry needed to go 2 innings, and he could have only gone 1 if they had left Cedeno in the game because Cedeno was locked into the 9 spot, while Fontenot could go into the 4 spot. I agree with Lou on this one. They needed Howry at that point to go 2 innings with what they had left behind him in the bullpen.

I would have agreed with it even if it didn't work, but it did. Howry pitched 2 strong innings, and Fontenot got on base twice in 3 tries last night.

 

If you bring in Marmol, you're just creating a worse situation down the road. They didn't want to use Marmol for more than one inning last night, so if you bring in Marmol to relieve Fox and he gets out of the 11th, now you have to use Marquis in the 12th and mess up your rotation. Leaving Fox in was the only course of action at that point.

 

As far as Sori in LF, you had to see during the drills and fielding practice that his range was really poor right now. That was a really bad decision by Lou to leave him in there on Thursday.

 

Regarding Marmol, you try to win the game you are playing and worry about the future after the game. We have some guys in minors who could have came up and made a spot start if Marquis had been needed last night. Also, this goes back to the whole Marshall thing. Had Lou let him face more than 1 guy, he could have pushed everybody back in the bullpen, but no for some reason Marshall is only allowed to face a lefty. Same goes for the Cedeno/Fontenot thing, it was a product of Lous bad decision making that made this a neccessity.

 

I might agree with you on the general point about Marmol, although when I think about the specific game last night I still think I have more faith in Fox/Marmol than Marmol/Marquis. As average as Marquis is as a starter, he has proven to be really bad out of the pen during his career.

 

As for Marshall, the question remains. Do you leave Lieber in to try to get out of the inning? Do you double-switch when Marshall comes into the game? (which isn't the best part of the batting order for it. The Cubs had just finished with the 5 spot in the order, so there really isn't anybody to double-switch unless you are willing to take Fukudome out in order for Marshall to pitch an extra inning, which I'm not). Those are the only two ways that Marshall could have avoided only pitching to 1 batter, because you had to pinch-hit for him with a runner on.

 

 

That early in the game I dont think pinch hitting for him would be neccessary.

[CubColtPacer]

Hill-agreed, although Hill would have struggled with his control any day you threw him, the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. So his problems last night weren't all on the coaching staff, but they definitely share the blame.

 

Marshall-agreed, although what do you do? Do you let Lieber try to finish the inning there? 4 out of the 5 previous balls hit off Lieber were hit decently hard. It was about time for him to go, and then Marshall's spot came up that next inning.

 

As far as Cedeno and Fontenot, Fontenot came into the game to save the bullpen. Lou decided Howry needed to go 2 innings, and he could have only gone 1 if they had left Cedeno in the game because Cedeno was locked into the 9 spot, while Fontenot could go into the 4 spot. I agree with Lou on this one. They needed Howry at that point to go 2 innings with what they had left behind him in the bullpen.

I would have agreed with it even if it didn't work, but it did. Howry pitched 2 strong innings, and Fontenot got on base twice in 3 tries last night.

 

If you bring in Marmol, you're just creating a worse situation down the road. They didn't want to use Marmol for more than one inning last night, so if you bring in Marmol to relieve Fox and he gets out of the 11th, now you have to use Marquis in the 12th and mess up your rotation. Leaving Fox in was the only course of action at that point.

 

As far as Sori in LF, you had to see during the drills and fielding practice that his range was really poor right now. That was a really bad decision by Lou to leave him in there on Thursday.

 

I also thought Kerry Wood should have hit for himself and gone out there again in the tenth. Double-switching Henry in there for him was really not smart. Wood had thrown few pitches and looked great out there.

And Marshall's usage this year is beyond stupid. So frustrating.

 

That's probably what surprised me most about last night. I know they're being careful with Wood, but that's really careful. In some ways I appreciated that they're doing all they can to save his arm, but I really think he should be able to throw 20+ pitches on back to back days. Wood didn't even need to hit for himself to pitch a 2nd inning. His spot didn't come up until the 11th.

[CubColtPacer]

Hill-agreed, although Hill would have struggled with his control any day you threw him, the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. So his problems last night weren't all on the coaching staff, but they definitely share the blame.

 

Marshall-agreed, although what do you do? Do you let Lieber try to finish the inning there? 4 out of the 5 previous balls hit off Lieber were hit decently hard. It was about time for him to go, and then Marshall's spot came up that next inning.

 

As far as Cedeno and Fontenot, Fontenot came into the game to save the bullpen. Lou decided Howry needed to go 2 innings, and he could have only gone 1 if they had left Cedeno in the game because Cedeno was locked into the 9 spot, while Fontenot could go into the 4 spot. I agree with Lou on this one. They needed Howry at that point to go 2 innings with what they had left behind him in the bullpen.

I would have agreed with it even if it didn't work, but it did. Howry pitched 2 strong innings, and Fontenot got on base twice in 3 tries last night.

 

If you bring in Marmol, you're just creating a worse situation down the road. They didn't want to use Marmol for more than one inning last night, so if you bring in Marmol to relieve Fox and he gets out of the 11th, now you have to use Marquis in the 12th and mess up your rotation. Leaving Fox in was the only course of action at that point.

 

As far as Sori in LF, you had to see during the drills and fielding practice that his range was really poor right now. That was a really bad decision by Lou to leave him in there on Thursday.

 

Regarding Marmol, you try to win the game you are playing and worry about the future after the game. We have some guys in minors who could have came up and made a spot start if Marquis had been needed last night. Also, this goes back to the whole Marshall thing. Had Lou let him face more than 1 guy, he could have pushed everybody back in the bullpen, but no for some reason Marshall is only allowed to face a lefty. Same goes for the Cedeno/Fontenot thing, it was a product of Lous bad decision making that made this a neccessity.

 

I might agree with you on the general point about Marmol, although when I think about the specific game last night I still think I have more faith in Fox/Marmol than Marmol/Marquis. As average as Marquis is as a starter, he has proven to be really bad out of the pen during his career.

 

As for Marshall, the question remains. Do you leave Lieber in to try to get out of the inning? Do you double-switch when Marshall comes into the game? (which isn't the best part of the batting order for it. The Cubs had just finished with the 5 spot in the order, so there really isn't anybody to double-switch unless you are willing to take Fukudome out in order for Marshall to pitch an extra inning, which I'm not). Those are the only two ways that Marshall could have avoided only pitching to 1 batter, because you had to pinch-hit for him with a runner on.

 

 

That early in the game I dont think pinch hitting for him would be neccessary.

 

It was the 7th inning with the Cubs down by a run. I don't think you can be throwing away chances to score when you're down that late in the game.

[Keener98]

Hill-agreed, although Hill would have struggled with his control any day you threw him, the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. So his problems last night weren't all on the coaching staff, but they definitely share the blame.

 

Marshall-agreed, although what do you do? Do you let Lieber try to finish the inning there? 4 out of the 5 previous balls hit off Lieber were hit decently hard. It was about time for him to go, and then Marshall's spot came up that next inning.

 

As far as Cedeno and Fontenot, Fontenot came into the game to save the bullpen. Lou decided Howry needed to go 2 innings, and he could have only gone 1 if they had left Cedeno in the game because Cedeno was locked into the 9 spot, while Fontenot could go into the 4 spot. I agree with Lou on this one. They needed Howry at that point to go 2 innings with what they had left behind him in the bullpen.

I would have agreed with it even if it didn't work, but it did. Howry pitched 2 strong innings, and Fontenot got on base twice in 3 tries last night.

 

If you bring in Marmol, you're just creating a worse situation down the road. They didn't want to use Marmol for more than one inning last night, so if you bring in Marmol to relieve Fox and he gets out of the 11th, now you have to use Marquis in the 12th and mess up your rotation. Leaving Fox in was the only course of action at that point.

 

As far as Sori in LF, you had to see during the drills and fielding practice that his range was really poor right now. That was a really bad decision by Lou to leave him in there on Thursday.

 

Regarding Marmol, you try to win the game you are playing and worry about the future after the game. We have some guys in minors who could have came up and made a spot start if Marquis had been needed last night. Also, this goes back to the whole Marshall thing. Had Lou let him face more than 1 guy, he could have pushed everybody back in the bullpen, but no for some reason Marshall is only allowed to face a lefty. Same goes for the Cedeno/Fontenot thing, it was a product of Lous bad decision making that made this a neccessity.

 

I might agree with you on the general point about Marmol, although when I think about the specific game last night I still think I have more faith in Fox/Marmol than Marmol/Marquis. As average as Marquis is as a starter, he has proven to be really bad out of the pen during his career.

 

As for Marshall, the question remains. Do you leave Lieber in to try to get out of the inning? Do you double-switch when Marshall comes into the game? (which isn't the best part of the batting order for it. The Cubs had just finished with the 5 spot in the order, so there really isn't anybody to double-switch unless you are willing to take Fukudome out in order for Marshall to pitch an extra inning, which I'm not). Those are the only two ways that Marshall could have avoided only pitching to 1 batter, because you had to pinch-hit for him with a runner on.

 

 

That early in the game I dont think pinch hitting for him would be neccessary.

 

It was the 7th inning with the Cubs down by a run. I don't think you can be throwing away chances to score when you're down that late in the game.

 

I was thinking it was an inning or 2 earlier, but heres another question. Why do you bring in Wuertz as the 1st guy out of the pen, instead of our long man Lieber? You could have went with Lieber and Marshall as combo long men, and maybe saved our middle relief for later in the game like normal.

[Wilson A2000]

I thought Lou managed fine last night. Getting Hill out saved the game temporarily for the Cubs. If Marmol hadn't pitched more than one inning last game, he would have come in for Fox. Those who wanted Marmol in the 11th are ridiculous because I bet you are the same people that complain that he is being overused. Plus if the game stayed tied, you would have to use Marmol again, which is dangerous, or use a position player, or use Marquis. The circumstances were difficult and you can't manage the way you do in a 9 inning game.

 

What lost the game was a lack of hitting.