hill to be skipped; injured in 5/16 AAA start

[Tracer Bullet]

So shocked you did a triple-take?

pot-kettle

[CUBZ99]

So shocked you did a triple-take?

 

:lol: :oops:

[Sammy Sofa]

How the hell did that happen?!?

 

WITCHERY.

[Bull]

I for one don't mind having Hill treated with kid gloves. Its a lot better than watching Dusty run Prior out there with an 8-1 lead and over 100 pitches under his belt. If Hill's arm doesn't fall off, I am proven right. How's that for logic?

[Tyrant]

since you're such a big fan of logic, i'll mention that we're 20 games into the season, so i probably wouldn't be crapping myself over their splits.

 

It's just a continuation of last season.

 

2007 against lefties: .860 OPS

2007 against righties: .755 OPS

 

hill 2007: very good

marquis 2007: crappy

 

Actually, Marquis was an above-average starter last year.

[abuck1220]

since you're such a big fan of logic, i'll mention that we're 20 games into the season, so i probably wouldn't be crapping myself over their splits.

 

It's just a continuation of last season.

 

2007 against lefties: .860 OPS

2007 against righties: .755 OPS

 

hill 2007: very good

marquis 2007: crappy

 

Actually, Marquis was an above-average starter last year.

 

fine.

 

hill 2006-2007: very good

marquis 2006-2007: crappy.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't have a problem pulling Hill after 5 in Denver and pushing back his next start a day or two. I'm not sure whether it's true or not, but Coors has a reputation for not just being tough on pitchers, but for carrying over into their next start.

 

It's a little annoying that Hill seems to have the target as the one guy Lou can screw with. But as long as he stays in the rotation and isn't abused, I can live with these little things.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't have a problem pulling Hill after 5 in Denver and pushing back his next start a day or two. I'm not sure whether it's true or not, but Coors has a reputation for not just being tough on pitchers, but for carrying over into their next start.

 

It's a little annoying that Hill seems to have the target as the one guy Lou can screw with. But as long as he stays in the rotation and isn't abused, I can live with these little things.

 

I thought Coors was a little hard for curve ballers as well.

[Tyrant]

I also think it's misleading to say he's being "skipped." They're just pushing him back a day so Z can get a start against Milwaukee. I think it makes sense.

[Tracer Bullet]

I also think it's misleading to say he's being "skipped." They're just pushing him back a day so Z can get a start against Milwaukee. I think it makes sense.

 

I think you're wrong.

 

That pushes Hill back to May 3 at St. Louis -- giving him nine days off between starts.

 

link

 

ETA: Hill doesn't pitch before Z in the rotation. He pitches before Marquis. They want Dempster and Z to pitch on regular rest, so they have to skip either Hill or Marquis. They picked Hill.

[Tyrant]

They want Dempster and Z to pitch on regular rest, so they have to skip either Hill or Marquis. They picked Hill.

 

Because the Brewers hammer lefties.

[Tracer Bullet]

They want Dempster and Z to pitch on regular rest, so they have to skip either Hill or Marquis. They picked Hill.

 

Because the Brewers hammer lefties.

 

I wasn't arguing the merits of the decision. You suggested they just pushed his start back 1 day to get Z to face the Brewers and I was pointing out that wasn't true.

[abuck1220]

They want Dempster and Z to pitch on regular rest, so they have to skip either Hill or Marquis. They picked Hill.

 

Because the Brewers hammer lefties.

 

and everyone hammers marquis.

[brinoch]

In support of abuck's rage is Baseball Prospectus...

 

Prospectus: This game should be entertaining thanks to Marquis’ propensity to dish out homers; despite a low fly-ball rate this year, he’s still managing to give up homers on 14.3 percent of his fly balls. His 3.86 ERA belies his performance thus far, as a 1.53 WHIP and 1.1 HR/9 are not pretty peripherals; Marquis is allowing almost four walks per nine, but the Cubs .725 Defensive Efficiency has kept his BABIP to “only” .313. The top team in Defensive Efficiency last year rated at a .714, and only 10 teams finished at .700 or better, so look for Marquis to start giving up more hits as the season progresses—perhaps even today in Coors Field.

[KingCubsFan]

They want Dempster and Z to pitch on regular rest, so they have to skip either Hill or Marquis. They picked Hill.

 

Because the Brewers hammer lefties.

 

and everyone hammers marquis.

Except in April and May

[radarluv1]

why announce this now? you figure the brewcrew has some personnel decisions to make( add 15th pitcher, etc). no need to give them any early notice we're loading up on righties

[soapy]

FWIW, three year splits vs. MIL:

 

Marquis: 4.17 ERA/ 45.1 IP/ 45 H/ 25 K/ .259 BAA

Hill: 3.86 ERA/ 35 IP/ 25 H/ 38K/ .200 BAA

How do those numbers change when the cutoff is from the beginning of 07? I think that's about as far back as you can fairly go in the comparison, though I suspect your point will stand.

 

2007:

Marquis: 1.46 ERA/ 12.1 IP/ 11 H/ 8 K/ .244 BAA

Hill: 4.94 ERA/ 23.2 IP/ 19 H/ 25 K/ .218 BAA

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Not really. You could skip either Hill or Marquis and Dempster and Z would start on regular rest and pitch against Mil. So Lou decided he'd rather skip Hill than skip Marquis.

 

And I'm okay with that. The difference between Marquis and Hill, while large, is at least cancelled out by the difference between the Brewers' lineup differences versus righties and lefties.

 

I'm not convinced the Cubs aren't doing this for stupid reasons (their weird insistence that Hill is a marginal rotation guy), but it's the right move.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

FWIW, three year splits vs. MIL:

 

Marquis: 4.17 ERA/ 45.1 IP/ 45 H/ 25 K/ .259 BAA

Hill: 3.86 ERA/ 35 IP/ 25 H/ 38K/ .200 BAA

How do those numbers change when the cutoff is from the beginning of 07? I think that's about as far back as you can fairly go in the comparison, though I suspect your point will stand.

 

2007:

Marquis: 1.46 ERA/ 12.1 IP/ 11 H/ 8 K/ .244 BAA

Hill: 4.94 ERA/ 23.2 IP/ 19 H/ 25 K/ .218 BAA

 

I was just about to add this. Hill seems unlucky here(especially since he only walked 5 guys in that split), but when you give up 4 HR in that short a span, it's not surprising his ERA is that high.

 

I don't mind Hill being skipped to avoid the Brewers, the only thing that bothers me is that he's going to be going 9 days without pitching. Maybe there'll be an extra inning game sunday against the nationals we can use him in or something.

[soapy]

FWIW, three year splits vs. MIL:

 

Marquis: 4.17 ERA/ 45.1 IP/ 45 H/ 25 K/ .259 BAA

Hill: 3.86 ERA/ 35 IP/ 25 H/ 38K/ .200 BAA

How do those numbers change when the cutoff is from the beginning of 07? I think that's about as far back as you can fairly go in the comparison, though I suspect your point will stand.

 

2007:

Marquis: 1.46 ERA/ 12.1 IP/ 11 H/ 8 K/ .244 BAA

Hill: 4.94 ERA/ 23.2 IP/ 19 H/ 25 K/ .218 BAA

 

I was just about to add this. Hill seems unlucky here(especially since he only walked 5 guys in that split), but when you give up 4 HR in that short a span, it's not surprising his ERA is that high.

yeah, i was going to add a commentary that hill is probably still the better option despite the ERA based on the other numbers but my boss walked in so i hit submit as quickly as i could and shut the window. :ninja:

[MSG T]

It was present in 2007, as well, though these numbers are of limited utility given the personnel differences.

 

2007 MIL vs. RHP: .252 .316 .439 .755

2007 MIL vs. LHP: .288 .360 .499 .860

 

Here are the individual splits ( ignoring the Gwynn/Kapler platoon in CF) from 2007:

 

 

 

Jason Kendall

2007 vs. RHP: .259 .315 .326 .641

2007 vs. LHP: .198 .261 .262 .523

 

 

Why did I start laughing when I saw this?

[17 Seconds]

He's not really being skipped, so this is a good move I think. I was hoping they'd push somebody back so Zambrano could pitch in the Brewers anyways, and with the way the Brewers hit against lefties, it makes sense for it to be Hill. Hill's problems seem to mostly be mental, so it wouldn't be a good thing if he got knocked around by the Brewers.

 

Edit: I just realized they are actually skipping him and giving him 9 days off. That is beyond [expletive].

[Ender]

Cameron will be back for the Cubs series so you need to add him to the mix.

 

Career vs Marquis - .182/.250/.273/.523 in 11 AB.

Career vs Hill - .500/.500/1.700/2.200 in 10 AB.

[Mizzou]

I'm far from being the biggest Rich Hill fan in the world, but even I can acknowledge that this is really stupid. Why are they jerking him around like this? He had a good season last year, let him pitch.

[ISUCubsFan]

Moving Hill's next start back wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Whether or not it's the right move is very debatable, but I could live with it. Skipping his start entirely, like it appears they might do, is terrible. I don't know of any other instance of a team skipping their 2nd or 3rd best pitcher for matchup reasons.