R.I.P. Felix Pie's Career (2001-April 20, 2008)

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I haven't seen anyone argue that Lou wants Pie to fail. Some people think benching him this much isn't the best way for him to succeed. That's not the same thing as accusing the coaching staff of wanting him to fail. So you don't have to prove that the Cubs want him to succeed. No one is arguing against that.

 

Not that I would expect you to recall this, but at least one person has argued that Lou is determined to ruin Pie's career. This thread implies that the Cubs have ended his career. Patently ridiculous notions, all.

 

The kid is 23 and is learning. Let's give him and the coaching staff some time.

 

Yeah, I don't recall seeing that post - certainly not in the last few pages where a bunch of posters have been trying (I think unnecessarily) to prove that Lou wants Pie to succeed. But the OP already said that this thread title was a joke. I thought everyone picked up on that.

[RynoRules]

 

I haven't seen anyone argue that Lou wants Pie to fail. Some people think benching him this much isn't the best way for him to succeed. That's not the same thing as accusing the coaching staff of wanting him to fail. So you don't have to prove that the Cubs want him to succeed. No one is arguing against that.

 

Not that I would expect you to recall this, but at least one person has argued that Lou is determined to ruin Pie's career. This thread implies that the Cubs have ended his career. Patently ridiculous notions, all.

 

The kid is 23 and is learning. Let's give him and the coaching staff some time.

 

Yeah, I don't recall seeing that post - certainly not in the last few pages where a bunch of posters have been trying (I think unnecessarily) to prove that Lou wants Pie to succeed. But the OP already said that this thread title was a joke. I thought everyone picked up on that.

 

Idid - the comment I am referencing came from another thread.

[soapy]

this has more or less been said, but i'm not worried about the cubs giving up on pie at this point. lou has clearly made it a priority to work with him personally to improve his swing. johnson being on fire has given them a chance to pull pie to the side and work on things with the idea of plugging him back in there (i assume at this point). bringing in keller makes that even more clear, imo. the organization is not going to go through the trouble to bring up a minor league instructor to travel with the team with the (seemingly) sole purpose of working individually with one player if they're ready to give up on him. particularly when said player has a history of success working with that coach.

 

on the HR last night; that was great and i was extremely excited for felix. i was/am worried that the cubs are/were trying to make him into a "slap" hitter, but the most recent quotes make me less worried.

[CuseCubFan69]

this has more or less been said, but i'm not worried about the cubs giving up on pie at this point. lou has clearly made it a priority to work with him personally to improve his swing. johnson being on fire has given them a chance to pull pie to the side and work on things with the idea of plugging him back in there (i assume at this point). bringing in keller makes that even more clear, imo. the organization is not going to go through the trouble to bring up a minor league instructor to travel with the team with the (seemingly) sole purpose of working individually with one player if they're ready to give up on him. particularly when said player has a history of success working with that coach.

 

on the HR last night; that was great and i was extremely excited for felix. i was/am worried that the cubs are/were trying to make him into a "slap" hitter, but the most recent quotes make me less worried.

 

They are not trying to make him a slap hitter, just a quicker to the ball swing and keeping it shorter and to the point. I think his HR shows a lot of built up frustration and I hope he learns to be able to keep his emotions in check and not have such highs and lows. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing him pumped but it just makes me wonder who beaten mentally he may have been until then. It's hard not getting down on yourself when you struggle but as long as he continues to do the right thing and stays focused, he'll be fine.

[UK1679666180]

Odd how he does better up 2-0 in the count and can look for a FB instead of protecting.

[CuseCubFan69]

Odd how he does better up 2-0 in the count and can look for a FB instead of protecting.

 

Even you look better when you have a 2-0 count!

[Derwood]

i liked the part where you took what i said and then changed it

[Guest]

i liked the part where you took what i said and then changed it

 

the big difference between Pie and Patterson can be seen with that HR tonight; Felix was pumped when he hit it, knowing he has been pressing and being thrilled with seeing some results. Patterson never seemed to care at all about anything

 

How else is one supposed to read this statement?

[KingCubsFan]

Bump for imminent Edmonds signing

[soapy]

this has more or less been said, but i'm not worried about the cubs giving up on pie at this point. lou has clearly made it a priority to work with him personally to improve his swing. johnson being on fire has given them a chance to pull pie to the side and work on things with the idea of plugging him back in there (i assume at this point). bringing in keller makes that even more clear, imo. the organization is not going to go through the trouble to bring up a minor league instructor to travel with the team with the (seemingly) sole purpose of working individually with one player if they're ready to give up on him. particularly when said player has a history of success working with that coach.

I'd like to formally retract this post. Thank you.

[ctcf]

this has more or less been said, but i'm not worried about the cubs giving up on pie at this point. lou has clearly made it a priority to work with him personally to improve his swing. johnson being on fire has given them a chance to pull pie to the side and work on things with the idea of plugging him back in there (i assume at this point). bringing in keller makes that even more clear, imo. the organization is not going to go through the trouble to bring up a minor league instructor to travel with the team with the (seemingly) sole purpose of working individually with one player if they're ready to give up on him. particularly when said player has a history of success working with that coach.

I'd like to formally retract this post. Thank you.

 

I'd like to take this moment and retract any posts I made similar to that one.

 

Poor Felix.

[Tyrant]

this has more or less been said, but i'm not worried about the cubs giving up on pie at this point. lou has clearly made it a priority to work with him personally to improve his swing. johnson being on fire has given them a chance to pull pie to the side and work on things with the idea of plugging him back in there (i assume at this point). bringing in keller makes that even more clear, imo. the organization is not going to go through the trouble to bring up a minor league instructor to travel with the team with the (seemingly) sole purpose of working individually with one player if they're ready to give up on him. particularly when said player has a history of success working with that coach.

I'd like to formally retract this post. Thank you.

 

I'd like to take this moment and retract any posts I made similar to that one.

 

Poor Felix.

 

Poor Felix and his .596 OPS over 240 career at bats.

 

If he looked at all like he knew how to hit a baseball right now, I'd be more sympathetic.

[soapy]

this has more or less been said, but i'm not worried about the cubs giving up on pie at this point. lou has clearly made it a priority to work with him personally to improve his swing. johnson being on fire has given them a chance to pull pie to the side and work on things with the idea of plugging him back in there (i assume at this point). bringing in keller makes that even more clear, imo. the organization is not going to go through the trouble to bring up a minor league instructor to travel with the team with the (seemingly) sole purpose of working individually with one player if they're ready to give up on him. particularly when said player has a history of success working with that coach.

I'd like to formally retract this post. Thank you.

 

I'd like to take this moment and retract any posts I made similar to that one.

 

Poor Felix.

 

Poor Felix and his .596 OPS over 240 career at bats.

 

If he looked at all like he knew how to hit a baseball right now, I'd be more sympathetic.

 

You're right. Thank God the 38 year-old Jim Edmonds' .498 OPS and superior defense will save the day.

[TruffleShuffle]

this has more or less been said, but i'm not worried about the cubs giving up on pie at this point. lou has clearly made it a priority to work with him personally to improve his swing. johnson being on fire has given them a chance to pull pie to the side and work on things with the idea of plugging him back in there (i assume at this point). bringing in keller makes that even more clear, imo. the organization is not going to go through the trouble to bring up a minor league instructor to travel with the team with the (seemingly) sole purpose of working individually with one player if they're ready to give up on him. particularly when said player has a history of success working with that coach.

I'd like to formally retract this post. Thank you.

 

I'd like to take this moment and retract any posts I made similar to that one.

 

Poor Felix.

 

Poor Felix and his .596 OPS over 240 career at bats.

 

If he looked at all like he knew how to hit a baseball right now, I'd be more sympathetic.

 

kinda tough when those at bats have been spread out over like 4 call ups and sporadic playing time. not easy to shake the splinters out of your butt and grab a bat once a week after playing pretty much every day for the rest of your professional career.

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this has more or less been said, but i'm not worried about the cubs giving up on pie at this point. lou has clearly made it a priority to work with him personally to improve his swing. johnson being on fire has given them a chance to pull pie to the side and work on things with the idea of plugging him back in there (i assume at this point). bringing in keller makes that even more clear, imo. the organization is not going to go through the trouble to bring up a minor league instructor to travel with the team with the (seemingly) sole purpose of working individually with one player if they're ready to give up on him. particularly when said player has a history of success working with that coach.

I'd like to formally retract this post. Thank you.

 

I'd like to take this moment and retract any posts I made similar to that one.

 

Poor Felix.

 

Poor Felix and his .596 OPS over 240 career at bats.

 

If he looked at all like he knew how to hit a baseball right now, I'd be more sympathetic.

 

We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

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We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

I'm guessing that Edmonds will hit 150 and give Johnson more AB's while Edmonds sits on the bench until he's released.

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We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

I'm guessing that Edmonds will hit 150 and give Johnson more AB's while Edmonds sits on the bench until he's released.

 

The only positive that comes from this is it will stop Lou's moronic usage of batting Johnson against righties because he has his reliable veteran Edmonds now. Edmonds will most likely fail and quickly and we can see Pie brought back up and enter this platoon. If he produces incredibly high within the 1st week he might even get continued playing time.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

I'm guessing that Edmonds will hit 150 and give Johnson more AB's while Edmonds sits on the bench until he's released.

 

The only positive that comes from this is it will stop Lou's moronic usage of batting Johnson against righties because he has his reliable veteran Edmonds now. Edmonds will most likely fail and quickly and we can see Pie brought back up and enter this platoon. If he produces incredibly high within the 1st week he might even get continued playing time.

 

But, it seems the Cubs really want Edmonds from what I've seen. I think they will be pretty patient with him, at least until the trade deadline.

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We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

Then you're being incredibly dense.

[javy knows my name]

 

We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

Then you're being incredibly dense.

And purposefully so, it would seem. I'm getting tired of the Lou apologists here

[WilcoFan]

 

We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

Then you're being incredibly dense.

And purposefully so, it would seem. I'm getting tired of the Lou apologists here

 

Keep making posts like this and no one with an even remotely divergent opinion will want to post here anymore. Then everyone can agree on everything...that makes for good discussion.

 

I loathe the decision to sit Pie, especially for what I feel is an inferior player. But if someone wants to argue in favor of it, great-maybe I'm wrong. Its within the realm of possibility that the guy comes in and hits .300 and does a solid job.

 

More importantly, I certainly am not "tired" of people who defend the coaches--that's kinda the point of discussion. That's certainly why I post here.

 

I think the "Lou Apologists" just might be picking fights because they feel that even the most remote defense of him is censored by the tyranny of the majority. At times, I can't say I blame them.

[javy knows my name]

 

We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

Then you're being incredibly dense.

And purposefully so, it would seem. I'm getting tired of the Lou apologists here

 

Keep making posts like this and no one with an even remotely divergent opinion will want to post here anymore. Then everyone can agree on everything...that makes for good discussion.

 

I loathe the decision to sit Pie, especially for what I feel is an inferior player. But if someone wants to argue in favor of it, great-maybe I'm wrong. Its within the realm of possibility that the guy comes in and hits .300 and does a solid job.

 

More importantly, I certainly am not "tired" of people who defend the coaches--that's kinda the point of discussion. That's certainly why I post here.

 

I think the "Lou Apologists" just might be picking fights because they feel that even the most remote defense of him is censored by the tyranny of the majority. At times, I can't say I blame them.

The majority of Lou's apologists seem to be arguing just for the sake of argument. I have no problem with civil discussion, but the people who get really defensive about Lou-bashing seem to. A lot of Lou's moves really aren't defensible but that does not stop many from getting all worked up over people complaining about them, and then failing to defend their arguments (or choosing not to). If these posts of mine that you find so aggressive help persuade people to stop posting this:

BUT...BUT...WE'RE IN FIRST PLACE AND STUFF! LOU IS AWESOME!

Then I don't see what's wrong with them.

[VanceJergins]

 

We really should be getting Reed Johnson more ABs against RHP. Great idea.

 

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

Then you're being incredibly dense.

And purposefully so, it would seem. I'm getting tired of the Lou apologists here

 

Keep making posts like this and no one with an even remotely divergent opinion will want to post here anymore. Then everyone can agree on everything...that makes for good discussion.

 

I loathe the decision to sit Pie, especially for what I feel is an inferior player. But if someone wants to argue in favor of it, great-maybe I'm wrong. Its within the realm of possibility that the guy comes in and hits .300 and does a solid job.

 

More importantly, I certainly am not "tired" of people who defend the coaches--that's kinda the point of discussion. That's certainly why I post here.

 

I think the "Lou Apologists" just might be picking fights because they feel that even the most remote defense of him is censored by the tyranny of the majority. At times, I can't say I blame them.

 

If someone is able to form a reasonable argument in favor of a differing opinion, then there is good discussion. If someone defends Lou for reasons such as: 1. He's the manager!!1! 2. Have you ever even played baseball?! 3. Maybe Lou knows something we don't. Ever think of that? 4. I actually watch the games and trust me, Edmonds still has it. 5. Go back to your mom's basement!!1! lawlz! 6. Lolz, you want to play Pie against rhp just because his numbers are better than Johnson's against RH???!!! I actually watch the games and trust me, Pie is Patterson 2.0! --- Then these people's opinions don't deserve to be respected.

[brinoch]

Everyone deserves to be respected, but healthy discussion -- including the exchange of ideas in the form of debate -- is why people post here.