Re: NBA Playoffs

[illiniguy]

He is a decent player, not Garnett type tho. Garnett is a HOF player.

Garnett: 18.8 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 BPG

 

Jefferson: 21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG

 

C'mon now, let's be honest here. There isn't a single rational person that would take Jefferson over Garnett at this stage, regardless of what those numbers say. Plenty of players have put up big numbers for bad teams. This also isn't baseball; defense matters a great deal (as, to a lesser extent, do intangibles). Garnett is a much better player at this time than Jefferson. The above poster was correct, Garnett will be in the Hall of Fame and it's not likely Jefferson will join him.

I'm not arguing for Jefferson being as good as KG, I'm just giving one example of KG not being the most valuable player in the league this year. KG had a wonderful season for a great team, and I'm sure he did in fact have some intangible impact on the team too, but there is simply no way I can justify voting KG the MVP, especially in a season with three otherworldly candidates the caliber of Kobe, CP, and LeBron.

 

I'm not supporting KG as MVP; you can see an earlier post I think it should be LeBron. KG would be fourth on my ballot. However, in arguing against him, posters have totally discredited how good he is. He's a great, great player.

 

This isn't baseball. Numbers mean a lot, but they're not everything. Defense matters a great deal and KG is a phenomenal player on that end of the court. Intangibles also come into play and KG thrives here, too. Amassing stats on bad teams is one thing (Abdur-Rahim, Randolph, etc), doing it while leading a 67-win team is different (though KG had been on poor teams the last two years).

No we are not trying to put KG down, I have stated before it is more about holding Al up. Al is a darn good player too.

[Guest]

He is a decent player, not Garnett type tho. Garnett is a HOF player.

Garnett: 18.8 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 BPG

 

Jefferson: 21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG

 

C'mon now, let's be honest here. There isn't a single rational person that would take Jefferson over Garnett at this stage, regardless of what those numbers say. Plenty of players have put up big numbers for bad teams. This also isn't baseball; defense matters a great deal (as, to a lesser extent, do intangibles). Garnett is a much better player at this time than Jefferson. The above poster was correct, Garnett will be in the Hall of Fame and it's not likely Jefferson will join him.

I'm not arguing for Jefferson being as good as KG, I'm just giving one example of KG not being the most valuable player in the league this year. KG had a wonderful season for a great team, and I'm sure he did in fact have some intangible impact on the team too, but there is simply no way I can justify voting KG the MVP, especially in a season with three otherworldly candidates the caliber of Kobe, CP, and LeBron.

 

I'm not supporting KG as MVP; you can see an earlier post I think it should be LeBron. KG would be fourth on my ballot. However, in arguing against him, posters have totally discredited how good he is. He's a great, great player.

 

This isn't baseball. Numbers mean a lot, but they're not everything. Defense matters a great deal and KG is a phenomenal player on that end of the court. Intangibles also come into play and KG thrives here, too. Amassing stats on bad teams is one thing (Abdur-Rahim, Randolph, etc), doing it while leading a 67-win team is different (though KG had been on poor teams the last two years).

 

That's also something I hold against LeBron - he's not a horrible defender but he's not anything special either. Kobe, on the other hand, has been on the All-Defensive team for seven of the last eight years and frequently will guard the better player late in the game if necessary. There was a game earlier this year where Allen Iverson had 49 points through three quarter but Kobe switched onto Iverson and held him to two points in the fourth while scoring 12 himself.

[illiniguy]

He is a decent player, not Garnett type tho. Garnett is a HOF player.

Garnett: 18.8 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 BPG

 

Jefferson: 21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG

 

C'mon now, let's be honest here. There isn't a single rational person that would take Jefferson over Garnett at this stage, regardless of what those numbers say. Plenty of players have put up big numbers for bad teams. This also isn't baseball; defense matters a great deal (as, to a lesser extent, do intangibles). Garnett is a much better player at this time than Jefferson. The above poster was correct, Garnett will be in the Hall of Fame and it's not likely Jefferson will join him.

I'm not arguing for Jefferson being as good as KG, I'm just giving one example of KG not being the most valuable player in the league this year. KG had a wonderful season for a great team, and I'm sure he did in fact have some intangible impact on the team too, but there is simply no way I can justify voting KG the MVP, especially in a season with three otherworldly candidates the caliber of Kobe, CP, and LeBron.

 

I'm not supporting KG as MVP; you can see an earlier post I think it should be LeBron. KG would be fourth on my ballot. However, in arguing against him, posters have totally discredited how good he is. He's a great, great player.

 

This isn't baseball. Numbers mean a lot, but they're not everything. Defense matters a great deal and KG is a phenomenal player on that end of the court. Intangibles also come into play and KG thrives here, too. Amassing stats on bad teams is one thing (Abdur-Rahim, Randolph, etc), doing it while leading a 67-win team is different (though KG had been on poor teams the last two years).

 

That's also something I hold against LeBron - he's not a horrible defender but he's not anything special either. Kobe, on the other hand, has been on the All-Defensive team for seven of the last eight years and frequently will guard the better player late in the game if necessary. There was a game earlier this year where Allen Iverson had 49 points through three quarter but Kobe switched onto Iverson and held him to two points in the fourth while scoring 12 himself.

Ha did Kobe lock him up, or did the law of averages finally catch up to AI?

[Guest]

Kobe locked him down. And while I'm sure part of that was the fact that AI is 6 feet tall while Kobe is 6-6 and the two guys who had been guarding AI were Fisher (6-1) and Farmar (6-2), you don't just shut AI down without being a solid defender, even if you have a height advantage.

[Exile on Waveland]

He is a decent player, not Garnett type tho. Garnett is a HOF player.

Garnett: 18.8 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 BPG

 

Jefferson: 21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG

 

C'mon now, let's be honest here. There isn't a single rational person that would take Jefferson over Garnett at this stage, regardless of what those numbers say. Plenty of players have put up big numbers for bad teams. This also isn't baseball; defense matters a great deal (as, to a lesser extent, do intangibles). Garnett is a much better player at this time than Jefferson. The above poster was correct, Garnett will be in the Hall of Fame and it's not likely Jefferson will join him.

I'm not arguing for Jefferson being as good as KG, I'm just giving one example of KG not being the most valuable player in the league this year. KG had a wonderful season for a great team, and I'm sure he did in fact have some intangible impact on the team too, but there is simply no way I can justify voting KG the MVP, especially in a season with three otherworldly candidates the caliber of Kobe, CP, and LeBron.

 

I'm not supporting KG as MVP; you can see an earlier post I think it should be LeBron. KG would be fourth on my ballot. However, in arguing against him, posters have totally discredited how good he is. He's a great, great player.

 

This isn't baseball. Numbers mean a lot, but they're not everything. Defense matters a great deal and KG is a phenomenal player on that end of the court. Intangibles also come into play and KG thrives here, too. Amassing stats on bad teams is one thing (Abdur-Rahim, Randolph, etc), doing it while leading a 67-win team is different (though KG had been on poor teams the last two years).

 

That's also something I hold against LeBron - he's not a horrible defender but he's not anything special either. Kobe, on the other hand, has been on the All-Defensive team for seven of the last eight years and frequently will guard the better player late in the game if necessary. There was a game earlier this year where Allen Iverson had 49 points through three quarter but Kobe switched onto Iverson and held him to two points in the fourth while scoring 12 himself.

 

There's an argument I like for Kobe over LeBron. Kobe is an outstanding defensive player; and while LeBron has improved defensively, he's nowhere near Kobe. I should have included defense as a reason for Kobe as MVP.

[Guest]

You know how Chris Paul rates as a defensive player? I haven't heard anything about him either way.

[Exile on Waveland]

You know how Chris Paul rates as a defensive player? I haven't heard anything about him either way.

 

No, not really. Obviously, he gets steals. I honestly don't watch much NBA during the regular season (so you can now discount my MVP opinions if you want). He wasn't good at Wake Forest; but everyone on that team was a sieve. My guess would be that he's not that great.

[SouthSideRyan]

I HATE the constant artificial noise during NBA games. If it was just stuff like forcing the crowd to cheer with a D-Fense chant, I could tolerate it. But it's really annoying watching a team run its offense while Sweet Escape by Gwen Stefani is blasting over the speakers. Less is more NBA. Less is more.

[Guest]

New Orleans is destroying Dallas right now. It's 90-67 late in the third and the Hornets are shooting 63 percent from the field.

[Andy]

New Orleans is destroying Dallas right now. It's 90-67 late in the third and the Hornets are shooting 63 percent from the field.

Basically everyone had NO out by the end of round 2. I've never understood why no one thinks they'll get to the West Finals and I definitely don't get it right now.

[Guest]

New Orleans is destroying Dallas right now. It's 90-67 late in the third and the Hornets are shooting 63 percent from the field.

Basically everyone had NO out by the end of round 2. I've never understood why no one thinks they'll get to the West Finals and I definitely don't get it right now.

 

Personally, I don't put much stock in this series because I feel that Dallas was a good matchup for New Orleans - I probably should have had New Orleans winning in 5 rather than 6 because of the home court advantage. I didn't really understand why a lot of people had Dallas pulling off the first round upset. Either way, the winner of Phoenix/San Antonio is going to be a much tougher matchup for the Hornets - especially the Spurs. I could see New Orleans advancing to the West finals but winning the next round is not going to be easy for them.

[Exile on Waveland]

New Orleans is destroying Dallas right now. It's 90-67 late in the third and the Hornets are shooting 63 percent from the field.

Basically everyone had NO out by the end of round 2. I've never understood why no one thinks they'll get to the West Finals and I definitely don't get it right now.

 

Personally, I don't put much stock in this series because I feel that Dallas was a good matchup for New Orleans - I probably should have had New Orleans winning in 5 rather than 6 because of the home court advantage. I didn't really understand why a lot of people had Dallas pulling off the first round upset. Either way, the winner of Phoenix/San Antonio is going to be a much tougher matchup for the Hornets - especially the Spurs. I could see New Orleans advancing to the West finals but winning the next round is not going to be easy for them.

 

Yeah, I still think the Spurs-Suns winner will beat the Hornets. I did think, however, that they'd have much more trouble with Dallas (I was thinking 7-game series).

[Andy]

Holy crap, that Paul to Chandler spinning alley-oop was sick.

[ELCABALLO45]

Chris Bosh misses a game winner from about 20 feet. Magic up 2-0. This would of been a great game for Toranto to take home court away.

[Guest]

Kobe dropped 49 on 18-for-27 shooting on the Nuggets last night to go along with 10 assists. He scored 20 in the first quarter including 16 in the final 4 1/2 and all 19 he scored in the fourth came in a span of 4:19.

 

Oh, and Allen Iverson now has three technical fouls in two games.

[CuseCubFan69]

Kobe dropped 49 on 18-for-27 shooting on the Nuggets last night to go along with 10 assists. He scored 20 in the first quarter including 16 in the final 4 1/2 and all 19 he scored in the fourth came in a span of 4:19.

 

Oh, and Allen Iverson now has three technical fouls in two games.

 

Maybe Melo should give him some weed to calm him down a little.

[rawaction]

Kobe dropped 49 on 18-for-27 shooting on the Nuggets last night to go along with 10 assists. He scored 20 in the first quarter including 16 in the final 4 1/2 and all 19 he scored in the fourth came in a span of 4:19.

 

Oh, and Allen Iverson now has three technical fouls in two games.

 

Maybe Melo should give him some weed to calm him down a little.

 

Yeah, right. Where do you think Melo gets it from?

[TruffleShuffle]

too bad the nba couldn't convince one more team to give a star player away to the lakers. that would've given them pretty much an automatic place in the finals.

[Guest]

Kobe dropped 49 on 18-for-27 shooting on the Nuggets last night to go along with 10 assists. He scored 20 in the first quarter including 16 in the final 4 1/2 and all 19 he scored in the fourth came in a span of 4:19.

 

Oh, and Allen Iverson now has three technical fouls in two games.

 

Maybe Melo should give him some weed to calm him down a little.

 

Yeah, right. Where do you think Melo gets it from?

 

J.R. Smith?

[RynoRules]

FYI:

 

Larry Brown resigned from his front office position with the Sixers today.

 

I'd much rather have him than Rick Carlisle, who's basically a more controlling version of Skiles.

[shnsajax]

The Spurs are kind of good once the playoffs start.

[Vanilla Ice]

that game was pretty rough for the hornets

[illiniguy]

You know how Chris Paul rates as a defensive player? I haven't heard anything about him either way.

 

No, not really. Obviously, he gets steals. I honestly don't watch much NBA during the regular season (so you can now discount my MVP opinions if you want). He wasn't good at Wake Forest; but everyone on that team was a sieve. My guess would be that he's not that great.

He is not all that good defensively. He is however, improving that aspect of his game.

[Exile on Waveland]

You know how Chris Paul rates as a defensive player? I haven't heard anything about him either way.

 

No, not really. Obviously, he gets steals. I honestly don't watch much NBA during the regular season (so you can now discount my MVP opinions if you want). He wasn't good at Wake Forest; but everyone on that team was a sieve. My guess would be that he's not that great.

He is not all that good defensively. He is however, improving that aspect of his game.

 

That's what I figured, but I haven't seen enough to have an informed opinion. Thanks.

[snoodmonger]

Whoa. Al Horford, what are you thinking? Boston is going to fist them the next game, and after seeing those theatrics, I'm looking forward to it.