Forget about Hudson

[Backtobanks]

I always thought Hudson might be an interesting option to the Brian Roberts trade talk, but not at those prices.

 

D-Backs far apart from Hudson extension?

 

The D-Backs have had intermittent talks with Orlando Hudson's camp about an extension since late in 2007, but the sides appear so far apart that it would take a major move by one to rekindle meaningful dialog. Hudson, a three-time Gold Glove winner who will become a free agent after this season, is said to be seeking a yearly salary similar to the $15 million Philadelphia's Chase Utley will receive in each of the final four years of his seven-year, $85 million dollar extension signed before 2007. -- East Valley Tribune

[BigbadB]

I always thought Hudson might be an interesting option to the Brian Roberts trade talk, but not at those prices.

 

D-Backs far apart from Hudson extension?

 

The D-Backs have had intermittent talks with Orlando Hudson's camp about an extension since late in 2007, but the sides appear so far apart that it would take a major move by one to rekindle meaningful dialog. Hudson, a three-time Gold Glove winner who will become a free agent after this season, is said to be seeking a yearly salary similar to the $15 million Philadelphia's Chase Utley will receive in each of the final four years of his seven-year, $85 million dollar extension signed before 2007. -- East Valley Tribune

 

Yes, because Hudson clearly stands out WITH Utley above all other 2b's in the entire world. :^o

[Clem Fandango]

I always thought Hudson might be an interesting option to the Brian Roberts trade talk, but not at those prices.

 

D-Backs far apart from Hudson extension?

 

The D-Backs have had intermittent talks with Orlando Hudson's camp about an extension since late in 2007, but the sides appear so far apart that it would take a major move by one to rekindle meaningful dialog. Hudson, a three-time Gold Glove winner who will become a free agent after this season, is said to be seeking a yearly salary similar to the $15 million Philadelphia's Chase Utley will receive in each of the final four years of his seven-year, $85 million dollar extension signed before 2007. -- East Valley Tribune

 

Yes, because Hudson clearly stands out WITH Utley above all other 2b's in the entire world. :^o

 

They're not paying him for the talent, they're paying him for the rights to his gnarly nickname

[TruffleShuffle]

Orlando Hudson is underrated, but he's not in Chase Utley's league.

[CuseCubFan69]

Orlando Hudson is underrated, but he's not in Chase Utley's league.

 

And can't get hit 3 times in a game like Utley can.

[YearofDaCubs]

Hudson is clearly delusional if he thinks he's worth anything close to what Utley is getting.

[RedFlash]

Hudson is clearly delusional if he thinks he's worth anything close to what Utley is getting.

 

Orlando Hudson is more like the 2nd baseman we've been chasing from the AL Eaast team, moreso then Chase Utley. So whoever is tell the "O-Dawg" he is worth $15 mill per yr, needs to have a DRUG TEST right now.

[Post Count Padder]

Hudson is good, but he is definitely not in Utley's league.

[CubColtPacer]

Comparing Utley and Hudson as players and then trying to say that Hudson is not the same player as Utley, so he shouldn't get the same contract is somewhat flawed.

 

First, Utley was not a free agent when he signed his deal. The Phillies bought out all 3 of his arbitration years and like all arbitration contracts, they received a significant discount for doing so. Utley as a free agent could probably make 17-18 a year, not 13.

 

Second, Hudson is looking for the same yearly salary, not the same exact contract. No team is going to sign him to a 7 year, 85 million dollar deal. It's not unreasonable for him to think he could get 3 years, 39 million from somebody though or even 4 years, 52 million. My guess is that he'll end up settling for something like 4 for 45, but unless he has a bad year this year his contract should be close to Utley's yearly aveage.

 

Oops, just saw that he wanted the 15 million for the final 3 years, not the 13 million average. That seems steep, but still isn't crazy for him to have that as his starting point. A big problem that Hudson has is that he has very little name recognition, and that can really hurt when you start looking for that big payday because teams typically want to overpay and make their splashes on guys who the fans will be really excited about.

[rchap24]

Hudson is good, but he is definitely not in Utley's league.

He's one of the top 2nd baseman in the league besides Utley and Phillips but totally agree with what you are saying. Good maybe even underrated, but definitely nowhere near Utley.

[RedFlash]

Comparing Utley and Hudson as players and then trying to say that Hudson is not the same player as Utley, so he shouldn't get the same contract is somewhat flawed.

 

First, Utley was not a free agent when he signed his deal. The Phillies bought out all 3 of his arbitration years and like all arbitration contracts, they received a significant discount for doing so. Utley as a free agent could probably make 17-18 a year, not 13.

 

Second, Hudson is looking for the same yearly salary, not the same exact contract. No team is going to sign him to a 7 year, 85 million dollar deal. It's not unreasonable for him to think he could get 3 years, 39 million from somebody though or even 4 years, 52 million. My guess is that he'll end up settling for something like 4 for 45, but unless he has a bad year this year his contract should be close to Utley's yearly aveage.

 

Oops, just saw that he wanted the 15 million for the final 3 years, not the 13 million average. That seems steep, but still isn't crazy for him to have that as his starting point. A big problem that Hudson has is that he has very little name recognition, and that can really hurt when you start looking for that big payday because teams typically want to overpay and make their splashes on guys who the fans will be really excited about.

 

IMO, there are about a handful or so of players (now or the immediate future) who are worth a contract starting at $15mill. ARod/Pujols/Vlad/Manny/Ortiz/M. Cabrera/ are definately worth $15 + per yr. Guys like Utley/Hunter/Hudson, IMO, are closer to being worth in the 10-13 mill per. So, IDK if I would have given Utley that contract. And I am sure as heck know I wouldn't give it to Hudson.

[nilodnayr]

Hudson is good, but he is definitely not in Utley's league.

He's one of the top 2nd baseman in the league besides Utley and Phillips but totally agree with what you are saying. Good maybe even underrated, but definitely nowhere near Utley.

 

hudson is average, not great. check out those road splits

[YearofDaCubs]

Comparing Utley and Hudson as players and then trying to say that Hudson is not the same player as Utley, so he shouldn't get the same contract is somewhat flawed.

 

First, Utley was not a free agent when he signed his deal. The Phillies bought out all 3 of his arbitration years and like all arbitration contracts, they received a significant discount for doing so. Utley as a free agent could probably make 17-18 a year, not 13.

 

Second, Hudson is looking for the same yearly salary, not the same exact contract. No team is going to sign him to a 7 year, 85 million dollar deal. It's not unreasonable for him to think he could get 3 years, 39 million from somebody though or even 4 years, 52 million. My guess is that he'll end up settling for something like 4 for 45, but unless he has a bad year this year his contract should be close to Utley's yearly aveage.

 

Oops, just saw that he wanted the 15 million for the final 3 years, not the 13 million average. That seems steep, but still isn't crazy for him to have that as his starting point. A big problem that Hudson has is that he has very little name recognition, and that can really hurt when you start looking for that big payday because teams typically want to overpay and make their splashes on guys who the fans will be really excited about.

 

IMO, there are about a handful or so of players (now or the immediate future) who are worth a contract starting at $15mill. ARod/Pujols/Vlad/Manny/Ortiz/M. Cabrera/ are definately worth $15 + per yr. Guys like Utley/Hunter/Hudson, IMO, are closer to being worth in the 10-13 mill per. So, IDK if I would have given Utley that contract. And I am sure as heck know I wouldn't give it to Hudson.

Utley is definitely worth more than 13 mil. I would give him 15-16 mil. He's a damn good player. Utley is a lot better than Hudson is.

[CoolHandLuke]

Besides the fact that you seriously under-rate Utley, its not really about what they are actually worth, its about what they are worth with respect to the market.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hudson is good, but he is definitely not in Utley's league.

He's one of the top 2nd baseman in the league besides Utley and Phillips but totally agree with what you are saying. Good maybe even underrated, but definitely nowhere near Utley.

 

hudson is average, not great. check out those road splits

 

there's no way he's average. he's an above average hitter for a second baseman, regardless of his splits, and he's one of the better defensive 2B in the game.

[badnews]

Yeah right. He'll be, what, 31 when he's a free agent? So who is going to pay $15 million a year for defense, a career high 15 home runs, not much of a stolen base game, and so forth? I think you can expect a .775 OPS and good defense out of him in a typical year but that's about it, not worth $15 million year, not even worth $12 million a year in my book.

[RedFlash]

Utley is definitely worth more than 13 mil. I would give him 15-16 mil. He's a damn good player. Utley is a lot better than Hudson is.

 

I don't think so. When I hear the GREAT and FEARED players of this league, Chase Utley is rarely mentioned. Utley is a DAMN good player, but like Derek Jeter, he's slightly overpaid, due to the "GRIT" factor. I said, slightly overpaid, he's more of a $10-12 mill per, and not $13 mill +.

[Backtobanks]

Yeah right. He'll be, what, 31 when he's a free agent? So who is going to pay $15 million a year for defense, a career high 15 home runs, not much of a stolen base game, and so forth? I think you can expect a .775 OPS and good defense out of him in a typical year but that's about it, not worth $15 million year, not even worth $12 million a year in my book.

 

This reminds me of the Roberts trade talk. People need to understand that the average 2B is defense first and offense second. Utley is pretty much in a league of his own. Roberts and Hudson are very good players, but totally overvalued because they bring some offense to a defensive position. The fact that Hudson is asking $15 million per year and the O's wanted 5 players for Roberts is ridiculous. Keep the 5 players and the $15 million per year contract and go with DeRosa.

[TruffleShuffle]

Utley is definitely worth more than 13 mil. I would give him 15-16 mil. He's a damn good player. Utley is a lot better than Hudson is.

 

I don't think so. When I hear the GREAT and FEARED players of this league, Chase Utley is rarely mentioned. Utley is a DAMN good player, but like Derek Jeter, he's slightly overpaid, due to the "GRIT" factor. I said, slightly overpaid, he's more of a $10-12 mill per, and not $13 mill +.

 

are you insane? first of all, people don't talk about utley's GRIT factor much because they don't need to - he's a great player without the GRIT. second, utley not being mentioned among the best great and feared players in the league isn't his fault. his line last year was .332/.410/.566 which, the last time i checked, is pretty freakin good, especially for a second baseman. he had a .321 EqA last season, which was tied for 6th in the national league, ahead of "great" and "feared" hitters like ryan braun, matt holliday and ryan howard. he was nearly 30 points of EqA and 20 RARP ahead of the next-best second baseman, and he was also easily the best-hitting second baseman in 2006.

 

in what universe is the best second baseman in the world worth only $10-$12 million per year? maybe if we turn the clock back 10 years. his PECOTA projections have him worth about $19M per year the next two years; if he produces at the level that he produced last year, he's worth closer to $25M. stop the insanity.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Utley is definitely worth more than 13 mil. I would give him 15-16 mil. He's a damn good player. Utley is a lot better than Hudson is.

 

I don't think so. When I hear the GREAT and FEARED players of this league, Chase Utley is rarely mentioned. Utley is a DAMN good player, but like Derek Jeter, he's slightly overpaid, due to the "GRIT" factor. I said, slightly overpaid, he's more of a $10-12 mill per, and not $13 mill +.

you must be confused, we're talking about the Chase Utley that plays for the Phillies

http://www.baseball-reference.com/u/utleych01.shtml

[inari]

Utley is definitely worth more than 13 mil. I would give him 15-16 mil. He's a damn good player. Utley is a lot better than Hudson is.

 

I don't think so. When I hear the GREAT and FEARED players of this league, Chase Utley is rarely mentioned. Utley is a DAMN good player, but like Derek Jeter, he's slightly overpaid, due to the "GRIT" factor. I said, slightly overpaid, he's more of a $10-12 mill per, and not $13 mill +.

 

I'm talking about the Chase Utley that right now looks like he could have a better career than Jeff Kent and Ryne Sandberg. Which one are you talking about?

[YearofDaCubs]

Utley is a sick player. He missed all that time last year due to a broken hand and still put up a .332 AVG 22HR and 103RBI. Those are Miguel Cabrera numbers but at 2B.

[CoolHandLuke]

On top of his mind blowing offensive production, he also adds a lot of value defensively and on the base paths.

 

I read an analysis of the MVP breakdown last year that had him head and shoulders above anyone else, when all facets of the game as well as value relative to position was taken into account. The dude is some serious good. (I wish I remembered where the article was; if I did I would surely post it here)

[CoolHandLuke]

On top of his mind blowing offensive production, he also adds a lot of value defensively and on the base paths.

 

I read an analysis of the MVP breakdown last year that had him head and shoulders above anyone else, when all facets of the game as well as value relative to position was taken into account. The dude is some serious good. (I wish I remembered where the article was; if I did I would surely post it here)

 

found it:

 

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/the_2007_national_league_mvp/

[brinoch]

Utley doesn't get the praise he deserves from the baseball press. He's an incredible talent.