Barrett injured

[abuck1220]

I blamed Zambrano for the nonsense last year when it happened, and I still do to this day. Most people around here did too. Then Zambrano started pitching well, and is still on the team. Miraculously, most people blame "idiot Barrett" for the fight now.

 

Barrett lunged first and instigated the second instance in the clubhouse.

 

Shhhh. You are interfering with some people's delusions.

 

funny coming from you.

 

Yeah that's right. How dare I go against the established know-it-alls of nsbb?

 

no, i just find it amusing you're talking about delusions two days after theorizing that derosa's defense has been effected by the roberts rumors (despite his very good offensive production) and immediately after claiming that nobody on the cubs like barrett (even though they voted him a full playoff share).

[Soul]

I blamed Zambrano for the nonsense last year when it happened, and I still do to this day. Most people around here did too. Then Zambrano started pitching well, and is still on the team. Miraculously, most people blame "idiot Barrett" for the fight now.

 

Barrett lunged first and instigated the second instance in the clubhouse.

 

Shhhh. You are interfering with some people's delusions.

 

funny coming from you.

 

Yeah that's right. How dare I go against the established know-it-alls of nsbb?

 

no, i just find it amusing you're talking about delusions two days after theorizing that derosa's defense has been effected by the roberts rumors (despite his very good offensive production) and immediately after claiming that nobody on the cubs like barrett (even though they voted him a full playoff share).

 

I really don't see what voting a full playoff share has to do with it, honestly. Guys can be a sick of a teammates B.S. but still step back and give him credit after the season is over. I don't see how the two logically follow, at all. Plus, I'm not sure how this is a case where "all signs point to players liking Barrett" -- that's patently untrue from what I heard. There were several reports after Barrett was traded that teammates had turned off to him. Were they true? Maybe, maybe not. But saying "everything points to him being beloved" is simply not true. Several reports pointed to the contrary.

 

As for DeRosa, I would have said nothing about it, except that he himself confirmed it was the case. I don't see how that's delusional. The man said he was having trouble focusing, specifically because of the trade rumors.

[abuck1220]

 

As for DeRosa, I would have said nothing about it, except that he himself confirmed it was the case. I don't see how that's delusional. The man said he was having trouble focusing, specifically because of the trade rumors.

 

please explain how he's distracted on defense, yet perfectly fine on offense.

[Soul]

 

As for DeRosa, I would have said nothing about it, except that he himself confirmed it was the case. I don't see how that's delusional. The man said he was having trouble focusing, specifically because of the trade rumors.

 

please explain how he's distracted on defense, yet perfectly fine on offense.

 

Are you saying such a thing has never happened before? How about Ankiel, Knoblauch?

 

Obviously I can't give you a scientific listing of exactly why; that's like asking someone to map the human psyche right here & now. I only know the man himself said there was an effect. If you would like me to just ignore that, then fine, I won't say a word about it anymore. But it's not delusional. He said it.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

As for DeRosa, I would have said nothing about it, except that he himself confirmed it was the case. I don't see how that's delusional. The man said he was having trouble focusing, specifically because of the trade rumors.

 

please explain how he's distracted on defense, yet perfectly fine on offense.

 

Not only that, he said it was on his mind...in spring training...weeks ago...when the trade talks were actually going on and in the news. Why would it still be "distracting" him now?

[Soul]

So is this the "spring training means nothing" argument again, or am I allowed to acknowledge that not being able to prepare for the season in March could have an effect down the road?

[imb]

Spring training means something. Spring training statistics and records do not.

 

I know that's sort of not the point, but it's a misrepresented point that bothers me.

[Sammy Sofa]

The only time he was "not able to prepare" was when he had to take time to get his damn heart fixed.

[Soul]

The only time he was "not able to prepare" was when he had to take time to get his damn heart fixed.

 

Haven't you ever gone through the motions on something but your head wasn't really there?

[Sammy Sofa]

The only time he was "not able to prepare" was when he had to take time to get his damn heart fixed.

 

Haven't you ever gone through the motions on something but your head wasn't really there?

 

Then it would make more sense that it would effect his overall play and not just manifest itself in a couple of random errors.

[abuck1220]

 

As for DeRosa, I would have said nothing about it, except that he himself confirmed it was the case. I don't see how that's delusional. The man said he was having trouble focusing, specifically because of the trade rumors.

 

please explain how he's distracted on defense, yet perfectly fine on offense.

 

Are you saying such a thing has never happened before? How about Ankiel, Knoblauch?

 

how about those are completely different situations. they had mental blocks with regard to throwing accuracy. derosa's biffed two grounders...it's not like he's throwing the ball into the stands six times a game. give me a break.

 

Obviously I can't give you a scientific listing of exactly why; that's like asking someone to map the human psyche right here & now. I only know the man himself said there was an effect. If you would like me to just ignore that, then fine, I won't say a word about it anymore. But it's not delusional. He said it.

 

he said, "the trade talks that have been over for two weeks are currently effecting my ability to field ground balls, but not hit?" link please. they may have been bothering him (weeks ago), but to blame them for his two errors is, yes, delusional.

[jersey cubs fan]

The only time he was "not able to prepare" was when he had to take time to get his damn heart fixed.

 

Haven't you ever gone through the motions on something but your head wasn't really there?

 

Walking to work Monday. I was so hungover I couldn't think straight and thought I was going to stumble into traffic at any time. I needed a half dozen cups of coffee just to look at the computer.

[abuck1220]

The only time he was "not able to prepare" was when he had to take time to get his damn heart fixed.

 

Haven't you ever gone through the motions on something but your head wasn't really there?

 

Walking to work Monday. I was so hungover I couldn't think straight and thought I was going to stumble into traffic at any time. I needed a half dozen cups of coffee just to look at the computer.

 

did you manage to still OPS .970+ for a major league team that day? if so, you probably had what derosa has.

[Soul]

The only time he was "not able to prepare" was when he had to take time to get his damn heart fixed.

 

Haven't you ever gone through the motions on something but your head wasn't really there?

 

Walking to work Monday. I was so hungover I couldn't think straight and thought I was going to stumble into traffic at any time. I needed a half dozen cups of coffee just to look at the computer.

 

did you manage to still OPS .970+ for a major league team that day? if so, you probably had what derosa has.

 

He managed to get through traffic OK (batting stayed fine), but the computer skills went into the tank (several untimely defensive mistakes). See?

[Sammy Sofa]

The only time he was "not able to prepare" was when he had to take time to get his damn heart fixed.

 

Haven't you ever gone through the motions on something but your head wasn't really there?

 

Walking to work Monday. I was so hungover I couldn't think straight and thought I was going to stumble into traffic at any time. I needed a half dozen cups of coffee just to look at the computer.

 

did you manage to still OPS .970+ for a major league team that day? if so, you probably had what derosa has.

 

He managed to get through traffic OK (batting stayed fine), but the computer skills went into the tank (several untimely defensive mistakes). See?

 

If it was due to a hangover from several weeks prior.

[Soul]

The only time he was "not able to prepare" was when he had to take time to get his damn heart fixed.

 

Haven't you ever gone through the motions on something but your head wasn't really there?

 

Walking to work Monday. I was so hungover I couldn't think straight and thought I was going to stumble into traffic at any time. I needed a half dozen cups of coffee just to look at the computer.

 

did you manage to still OPS .970+ for a major league team that day? if so, you probably had what derosa has.

 

He managed to get through traffic OK (batting stayed fine), but the computer skills went into the tank (several untimely defensive mistakes). See?

 

If it was due to a hangover from several weeks prior.

 

Ahhhh, but lost brain cells never grow back!

[Geech]

i remember goony saying barrett lunged first last year, and i looked at the video of it probably a million times, and i still don't see it that way. he may have made a small movement towards him, but he didn't lunge at him.

 

It was crystal clear. Barrett started what he couldn't finish. Z was a complete idiot, but nothing would have happened if Barrett wasn't a hot head who made the first physical move. Z was just very quick to respond.

 

It wasn't crystal clear at all. I also watched the video a lot and saw nothing that I would even remotely consider a lunge from Barrett.

[jersey cubs fan]

i remember goony saying barrett lunged first last year, and i looked at the video of it probably a million times, and i still don't see it that way. he may have made a small movement towards him, but he didn't lunge at him.

 

It was crystal clear. Barrett started what he couldn't finish. Z was a complete idiot, but nothing would have happened if Barrett wasn't a hot head who made the first physical move. Z was just very quick to respond.

 

It wasn't crystal clear at all. I also watched the video a lot and saw nothing that I would even remotely consider a lunge from Barrett.

 

Barrett's body weight moved toward Zambrano before Zambrano pushed him. It was clear. He may have not been trying to throw the first punch, but he was trying to initiate contact, and got it.

[imb]

i remember goony saying barrett lunged first last year, and i looked at the video of it probably a million times, and i still don't see it that way. he may have made a small movement towards him, but he didn't lunge at him.

 

It was crystal clear. Barrett started what he couldn't finish. Z was a complete idiot, but nothing would have happened if Barrett wasn't a hot head who made the first physical move. Z was just very quick to respond.

 

It wasn't crystal clear at all. I also watched the video a lot and saw nothing that I would even remotely consider a lunge from Barrett.

 

Barrett's body weight moved toward Zambrano before Zambrano pushed him. It was clear. He may have not been trying to throw the first punch, but he was trying to initiate contact, and got it.

 

It's funny that everyone sees it differently. When I watch it, I see contact from both of them at the exact same time.

[Chocolate Milk]

i remember goony saying barrett lunged first last year, and i looked at the video of it probably a million times, and i still don't see it that way. he may have made a small movement towards him, but he didn't lunge at him.

 

It was crystal clear. Barrett started what he couldn't finish. Z was a complete idiot, but nothing would have happened if Barrett wasn't a hot head who made the first physical move. Z was just very quick to respond.

 

It wasn't crystal clear at all. I also watched the video a lot and saw nothing that I would even remotely consider a lunge from Barrett.

 

Barrett's body weight moved toward Zambrano before Zambrano pushed him. It was clear. He may have not been trying to throw the first punch, but he was trying to initiate contact, and got it.

 

It's funny that everyone sees it differently. When I watch it, I see contact from both of them at the exact same time.

You see it that way because that's what happened. I don't see any "lunge" whatsoever.

[Butterscup1679666578]

On a side note, Barrett's GS against the Cardinals two years ago was one of the coolest things ever.

[VanceJergins]

On a side note, Barrett's GS against the Cardinals two years ago was one of the coolest things ever.

 

indeed

[Soul]

On a side note, Barrett's GS against the Cardinals two years ago was one of the coolest things ever.

 

No question he did some good things. There was a time when I thought he was one of Jimbo's best moves. And at that time, he probably was.

[brinoch]

Barrett is a catcher with lots of time served behind the dish. Last season, he was also in his age 30 season. It's not that far out of the norm for a catcher to begin his decline at 30. I doubt he'd have remained awful all season, but I imagine that his age had something to do with it -- along with injuries.

 

His defense was never great, and without his bat to offset the defense, it made sense to make a change. It should have been to Geovany Soto. But we all knew that already.

[SouthSideRyan]

On a side note, Barrett's GS against the Cardinals two years ago was one of the coolest things ever.

 

No question he did some good things. There was a time when I thought he was one of Jimbo's best moves. And at that time, he probably was.

 

Just cause Barrett had a bad half season doesn't make the move a bad one. The Barrett acquisition was Hendry's best move.