Marquis - "start me or trade me": Lou - "He can go"

[Bruce Miles]

who the hell is going to take on marquis and his albatross of a contract? it's backloaded with the 1st year done, i'm guessing the cubs will have to pick up a chunk of the money to get another team to take him.

 

A team desperate for pitching, that's who. A GM who has a starter get hurt and then sees his GM career flash before his eyes. The Cubs no doubt will have to eat money unless Hendry works a Hundley type deal where you trade bad contract for bad contract. Marquis has a bad contract, that's for sure, but it's not the worst in baseball, and baseball owners have been known to do dumb things.

[Outshined_One]

who the hell is going to take on marquis and his albatross of a contract? it's backloaded with the 1st year done, i'm guessing the cubs will have to pick up a chunk of the money to get another team to take him.

 

A team desperate for pitching, that's who. A GM who has a starter get hurt and then sees his GM career flash before his eyes. The Cubs no doubt will have to eat money unless Hendry works a Hundley type deal where you trade bad contract for bad contract. Marquis has a bad contract, that's for sure, but it's not the worst in baseball, and baseball owners have been known to do dumb things.

 

Let's hear it for such great names like Brian Sabean and Ned Colletti! :good:

[hawkcub]

With Marquis having issues with now 3 well respected baseball managers I think teams will have to be desperate to want him. If it happens once it might be the managers fault. If it happens twice well maybe just 2 bad situations. If it happens 3 times there is a pattern here.

[Soul]

Yes, I do recall several Cards fans warning us about Marquis' poor attitude when we acquired him.

 

Not that we needed any warning. The entirety of the Cub fan base hasn't wanted him here since he arrived. Personally, the sooner he leaves the better. I'd rather try several young guys than give junk like Marquis an opportunity to continue to suck with no potential upside.

[frostwyrm]

I don't understand this concept of an innings-eater being worth a multi-million salary when he's a bad pitcher. You can get the same result by cycling through triple A guys, and for a fraction of the price. I can see how an innings-eating would have value if you could be confident of mediocre performance at worst, but Marquis is worse than that.

[cbbryan]

I don't understand this concept of an innings-eater being worth a multi-million salary when he's a bad pitcher. You can get the same result by cycling through triple A guys, and for a fraction of the price. I can see how an innings-eating would have value if you could be confident of mediocre performance at worst, but Marquis is worse than that.

 

I don't understand the concept of paying mediocre pitchers 10-11 million per year either, but that's what the market has been demanding the last couple of years. Because of that, if the Cubs want to trade Marquis I think they could actually do fairly well. They're going to have to take back a contract, but I'm certain they can find a taker for an arm. No question in my mind about that.

[Soul]

I don't understand this concept of an innings-eater being worth a multi-million salary when he's a bad pitcher. You can get the same result by cycling through triple A guys, and for a fraction of the price. I can see how an innings-eating would have value if you could be confident of mediocre performance at worst, but Marquis is worse than that.

 

I agree with this, but right or wrong, people put value on the "veteran" aspect of a guy even when its clear his numbers are what they are. That's how guys like Neifi stay in the league.

 

I'd rather the Cubs cycle through their prospects. Suckage with a purpose is much better than plain old suckage.

[frostwyrm]

I just don't see enough upside to Marquis to make me understand why anybody would covet him unless he was a LOT cheaper. Mediocrity is the best you can hope for from Marquis, and outright suckage is very likely. Too much downside risk for too little reward. If I'm paying good money for a guy to eat innings I would want at least semi-reliable mediocrity.

[ronsanto10]

point taken.....

 

he ls gonna make 4.75 mill this year....he is contracted thru 2009 season i think....he is barely a .500 pitcher, so what can you realistically get for him???

 

Considering the Cubs managed to get value for such illustrious names like Todd Hundley, I think they could get a decent B-level prospect for Marquis. Plenty of teams are looking for innings eaters at SP.

[Outshined_One]

I just don't see enough upside to Marquis to make me understand why anybody would covet him unless he was a LOT cheaper. Mediocrity is the best you can hope for from Marquis, and outright suckage is very likely. Too much downside risk for too little reward. If I'm paying good money for a guy to eat innings I would want at least semi-reliable mediocrity.

 

We just need to find a GM who is easily distracted by shiny objects.

[anabiono]

wow, just got home from work

 

not at all what i was expecting to see

 

things definitely just got interesting

 

and once again...super kudos for lou...

[rocket]

this all could have been avoided if hendry never bothered to sign him in the first place.

[Clem Fandango]

if he were to be traded which would people prefer...

 

1) Try and trade a bad contract for bad contract

2) Trade him without eating salary for a nobody to dump his salary

3) Trade him and eat some of his salary to get somewhat of a return on him

 

Oh, and which pitcher would you rather have with the following career line...

 

Pitcher 1:

68-61 4.56ERA 1.42WHIP 96ERA+ 3yrs/$21m

 

Pitcher 2:

55-46 4.31ERA 1.36WHIP 102ERA+ 4yrs/$48m

 

It's a trick question, the answer is neither because they both suck at those prices, but I did this to point out that equally crappy pitchers are making a lot more money than Jason Marquis is, so his contract should look like a blessing to some teams

[Roast]

YES

 

Good riddance.

 

!!!!!

[nilodnayr]

I don't understand this concept of an innings-eater being worth a multi-million salary when he's a bad pitcher. You can get the same result by cycling through triple A guys, and for a fraction of the price. I can see how an innings-eating would have value if you could be confident of mediocre performance at worst, but Marquis is worse than that.

 

Fun fact...if you filter for pitchers who pitched over 180 innings, in 2007 Marquis was 5th to last in the league in FIP. In 2006 he was last. In 2005 he was 6th to last.

 

Over those three years, NO pitchers have been in the bottom 6 more than once.

[Soul]

I'm really starting to develop a healthy man-love for Lou. Guy won't let something rest to see if it will die down, he just hears something from the reporters and fires right back.

 

You get 'em Lou. I mean come on, Marquis getting uppity on this club? Guy is a bum, get outta here loser.

[Bote McBoteface]

We can't trade Jason...he's our Marquis player.

 

 

heh heh

 

 

...yeah, even I'm not proud of that one.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Monday's newspapers will have stories quoting Marquis as saying he was "misunderstood" (or maybe he "misremembers") in his comments and has since "spoken to Lou" and that they've "come to an understanding" and will make nice.

 

But the damage is done. Thankfully, he'll be in another team's uniform soon.

 

If Hendry can unload his contract for a bag of baseballs, he'll be considered a genius in my book.

[jersey cubs fan]

If Hendry can unload his contract for a bag of baseballs, he'll be considered a genius in my book.

 

Except for the fact that he was the one who signed Marquis to that predictably bad contract in the first place.

[BigbadB]

The Cubs got gold from the Hundley trade. Hundley was as deep in the doghouse as one could possibly be and the Cubs managed to move him and his 2 or 3 (can't remember how many years he had left) year contract to LA for Karros and Grudz. Let us not forget that we had to include superstar Chad Hermansen in that deal.

 

Jacque Jones was a losing proposition, as I think he had more value than a minor league reliever, which is basically all we got for him while also paying part of his salary.

 

But, I wouldn't hesitate to trade Marquis to Atlanta for Omar Infante, and then spin Infante to some other team for a minor league reliever, while paying 3m of Marquis salary.

[TruffleShuffle]

is anyone else curious as to why marquis has to earn a spot, but dempster is apparently assured of the #3 spot in the rotation? dempster was pretty damn mediocre the past two years; what's he done to merit being tabbed the #3 starter?

[Magnetic Curses]

i hate all this "everybody is going to get a fair shot to compete for 5 slots"-thingy.

 

in actuality, let's be honest, lou, you have 4 guys competing for 2 spots and that's it. it doesn't matter what z, lilly, and hill do in the spring, they'll be at the top of the rotation no matter what--which is where they should be, but let's just call it what it is.

[nilodnayr]

The Cubs got gold from the Hundley trade. Hundley was as deep in the doghouse as one could possibly be and the Cubs managed to move him and his 2 or 3 (can't remember how many years he had left) year contract to LA for Karros and Grudz. Let us not forget that we had to include superstar Chad Hermansen in that deal.

 

Jacque Jones was a losing proposition, as I think he had more value than a minor league reliever, which is basically all we got for him while also paying part of his salary.

 

But, I wouldn't hesitate to trade Marquis to Atlanta for Omar Infante, and then spin Infante to some other team for a minor league reliever, while paying 3m of Marquis salary.

 

For every Hundley trade there are 5 Sosa trades. Everyone keeps on bringing up Hundley as the rule, but thats the exception.

 

Also, poor Infante.

[Coach C]

is anyone else curious as to why marquis has to earn a spot, but dempster is apparently assured of the #3 spot in the rotation? dempster was pretty damn mediocre the past two years; what's he done to merit being tabbed the #3 starter?

 

That's what I'm worried about. I haven't seen or followed that is significant that Dempster is worthy of the 3rd spot. Quite to be honest with you, I'd rather have Marquis over Dempster one way or another.

[BigbadB]

For every Hundley trade there are 5 Sosa trades. Everyone keeps on bringing up Hundley as the rule, but thats the exception.

 

Also, poor Infante.

 

Agreed. However, there are many teams out there that would find value in having Marquis in the rotation, depending on the cost. Marquis wants to start and that's really all that was said. I don't think it hurts his trade value. Either a team has a need for a starter or they don't.