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[inari]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=97751

[Roast]

A bunch of sox fans on a sox board think the sox will be better than the cubs?

 

Shocking. Never go to WSI - it's for your own good. That place is a cesspool.

[killthegoat06]

C: Soto vs AJ= Cubs (I think Soto will be a stud)

1B: Konerko vs Lee= Cubs (close but Lee is better defensively and offensively)

2B: Richar vs Derosa= Cubs (Hopefully Richar will take strides)

SS: Cabrera vs Theriot= Sox in a landslide

LF: Soriano vs Owens/Quentin= Cubs

CF: Swisher vs Pie= Sox

RF: Dye vs Fukudome= EVEN (if FUKU is as good as advertised this goes to CUbs but who knows)

Zambrano vs Buerhle= Cubs

Vazquez vs Lilly= Sox

Contreras vs Hill= Cubs ( Contreras is bad)

Danks vs Lieber= Sox (is Lieber healthy? What does he have left?)

Floyd vs Marquis/Dempster/Marshall=Sox (Marquis is bad, Dempster was a closer for the recent past can he adjust? Marshall ehhhhh.)

Bullpen= Sox in a landslide.

I have it split down the middle 6-6. Tiebreakers Cubs are 3-0 (manager, division, league)

 

First of all, they forgot about Aram... No way Vazquez is better than lilly. Is there bullpen and back of the rotation good? I don't know much about the sox.

[killthegoat06]

Double post.

[CoolHandLuke]

Vazquez > Lilly

 

As bad as our #5 candidates are, I am pretty sure Floyd is much much worse. Also I feel as though our bullpen is pretty solid (haven't looked at the bullpens too closely, but it's definitely not a landslide)

[imb]

Why in the world are they doing a position by position comparison of teams in different leagues?

 

I'm eagerly awaiting the Cubs/Nominori Giants comparison.

[UMFan83]

That comparison is so dumb, they don't even get to count one of their best offensive players in Thome in that.

 

I think the Cubs are slightly better overall than the White Sox. I think winning 78 games (which is where I have the Sox) in the AL Central is like winning 88 games in the NL Central (which is around where I have the Cubs)

[rocket]

C: Soto vs AJ= Cubs (I think Soto will be a stud)

1B: Konerko vs Lee= Cubs (close but Lee is better defensively and offensively)

2B: Richar vs Derosa= Cubs (Hopefully Richar will take strides)

SS: Cabrera vs Theriot= Sox in a landslide

LF: Soriano vs Owens/Quentin= Cubs

CF: Swisher vs Pie= Sox

RF: Dye vs Fukudome= EVEN (if FUKU is as good as advertised this goes to CUbs but who knows)

Zambrano vs Buerhle= Cubs

Vazquez vs Lilly= Sox

Contreras vs Hill= Cubs ( Contreras is bad)

Danks vs Lieber= Sox (is Lieber healthy? What does he have left?)

Floyd vs Marquis/Dempster/Marshall=Sox (Marquis is bad, Dempster was a closer for the recent past can he adjust? Marshall ehhhhh.)

Bullpen= Sox in a landslide.

I have it split down the middle 6-6. Tiebreakers Cubs are 3-0 (manager, division, league)

 

First of all, they forgot about Aram... No way Vazquez is better than lilly. Is there bullpen and back of the rotation good? I don't know much about the sox.

 

are you serious? vazquez was better than lilly last year, and he'll be better than lilly this year.

[cbbryan]

C: Soto vs AJ= Cubs (I think Soto will be a stud)

1B: Konerko vs Lee= Cubs (close but Lee is better defensively and offensively)

2B: Richar vs Derosa= Cubs (Hopefully Richar will take strides)

SS: Cabrera vs Theriot= Sox in a landslide

LF: Soriano vs Owens/Quentin= Cubs

CF: Swisher vs Pie= Sox

RF: Dye vs Fukudome= EVEN (if FUKU is as good as advertised this goes to CUbs but who knows)

Zambrano vs Buerhle= Cubs

Vazquez vs Lilly= Sox

Contreras vs Hill= Cubs ( Contreras is bad)

Danks vs Lieber= Sox (is Lieber healthy? What does he have left?)

Floyd vs Marquis/Dempster/Marshall=Sox (Marquis is bad, Dempster was a closer for the recent past can he adjust? Marshall ehhhhh.)

Bullpen= Sox in a landslide.

I have it split down the middle 6-6. Tiebreakers Cubs are 3-0 (manager, division, league)

 

First of all, they forgot about Aram... No way Vazquez is better than lilly. Is there bullpen and back of the rotation good? I don't know much about the sox.

 

are you serious? vazquez was better than lilly last year, and he'll be better than lilly this year.

 

Vasquez was slightly better last year and Lilly was better the year before. They're pretty equal if you ask me.

 

Career ERA+:

 

Vasquez 105

Lilly 103

[Clem Fandango]

Vasquez was only slightly better than Lilly last year, but better none the less...

 

Lilly:

15-8 207IP 174K's 3.83ERA 1.14WHIP 122 ERA+

 

Vasquez:

15-8 216IP 213K's 3.74ERA 1.14WHIP 127 ERA+

 

He was better, but not by a significant margin. This goes for their careers as well. Vasquez career ERA+ = 105. Lilly = 103.

 

An edge to Vasquez no matter which way you slice it

[RedFlash]

Vasquez was only slightly better than Lilly last year, but better none the less...

 

Lilly:

15-8 207IP 174K's 3.83ERA 1.14WHIP 122 ERA+

 

Vasquez:

15-8 216IP 213K's 3.74ERA 1.14WHIP 127 ERA+

 

He was better, but not by a significant margin. This goes for their careers as well. Vasquez career ERA+ = 105. Lilly = 103.

 

An edge to Vasquez no matter which way you slice it

 

I won't even say Vazquez was better last yr. To be honest, Lilly and Vazques are on the same level based on the 2007 numbers.

[UMFan83]

I just can't believe the White Sox fans think their bullpen is much better than ours.

 

We had the number 3 bullpen ERA in the NL last year at 3.76 (7th in MLB)

White Sox had the number 13 bullpen ERA in the AB at 5.47 (28th in MLB)

 

They pick up Dotel and Linebrink (horribly overrated) and all the sudden the Sox bullpen is better in a landslide??

[Derwood]

Vasquez was only slightly better than Lilly last year, but better none the less...

 

Lilly:

15-8 207IP 174K's 3.83ERA 1.14WHIP 122 ERA+

 

Vasquez:

15-8 216IP 213K's 3.74ERA 1.14WHIP 127 ERA+

 

He was better, but not by a significant margin. This goes for their careers as well. Vasquez career ERA+ = 105. Lilly = 103.

 

An edge to Vasquez no matter which way you slice it

 

I won't even say Vazquez was better last yr. To be honest, Lilly and Vazques are on the same level based on the 2007 numbers.

 

the fact that Vasquez put up those numbers in the AL probably means he had a better year

[CuseCubFan69]

Well luckily this isn't decided by some stupid writers polls and it's going to be decided on the field.

[Derwood]

to their credit, the comments in the post are surprisingly objective, even if the poll figures aren't

[rocket]

Vasquez was only slightly better than Lilly last year, but better none the less...

 

Lilly:

15-8 207IP 174K's 3.83ERA 1.14WHIP 122 ERA+

 

Vasquez:

15-8 216IP 213K's 3.74ERA 1.14WHIP 127 ERA+

 

He was better, but not by a significant margin. This goes for their careers as well. Vasquez career ERA+ = 105. Lilly = 103.

 

An edge to Vasquez no matter which way you slice it

 

I won't even say Vazquez was better last yr. To be honest, Lilly and Vazques are on the same level based on the 2007 numbers.

 

vazquez played in a much tougher league and division, and put up 39 more strikeouts. he was easily better than lilly last year.

[CoolHandLuke]

Health/Durability is a major reason why Vaz is better.

 

Only once in the last 8 season has Vaz fell short of 200 innings. And in that season he still pitched 198 innings.

 

Ted Lilly has reached the 200 innings pitched plateau once.

[RedFlash]

Health/Durability is a major reason why Vaz is better.

 

Only once in the last 8 season has Vaz fell short of 200 innings. And in that season he still pitched 198 innings.

 

Ted Lilly has reached the 200 innings pitched plateau once.

 

Technically, that doesn't mean Vaz is better then Lilly, simply means he's been healthier. And to be fair, Lilly does have two other seasons in which he pitched over 180 innngs. Not to mention Lilly didn't start having 30 started games in a season until 2003 (in comparasion Vazquez was having 30 start seasons by 2001). So while I will give you Vazquez is more durable then Lilly, I certaintly won't agree that Vazquez is better due to durability.

[DenverCubs]

Looking top to bottom in both lineups, you would have to say that the Sox definitely seem to have a scarier lineup, with having to face Thome, PK, Swisher, JD, and Fields, but the cubs do have a pretty good middle of the order with Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, and maybe Fukodome. The only thing that the cubs have that we do not is a leadoff hitter, Theriot had a good year for them, but we will see if he can carry it over to another year. I still definitely think that the Sox are a better team, but the Cubs have a better chance winning their division. Sox sweep the season series!

There you go...we have a lead off hitter now...

Also, that line-up isn't scaring me much. Is something wrong with me?

[Clem Fandango]

Looking top to bottom in both lineups, you would have to say that the Sox definitely seem to have a scarier lineup, with having to face Thome, PK, Swisher, JD, and Fields, but the cubs do have a pretty good middle of the order with Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, and maybe Fukodome. The only thing that the cubs have that we do not is a leadoff hitter, Theriot had a good year for them, but we will see if he can carry it over to another year. I still definitely think that the Sox are a better team, but the Cubs have a better chance winning their division. Sox sweep the season series!

There you go...we have a lead off hitter now...

Also, that line-up isn't scaring me much. Is something wrong with me?

 

No, not really, although if some of their power hitters can stay healthy (Dye, Thome), they'll have a pretty powerful middle of the order in Swisher, Konerko, Thome, and Dye. Actually, if they're healthy and return to normal (Dye and his 2006 ability) that's probably one of the best group of 4 power hitters on any team in the majors, all of whom could smack 30+ HR and have an OBP of .370 or higher. That's kinda scary. However the rest of their lineup is bleh

[CoolHandLuke]

Health/Durability is a major reason why Vaz is better.

 

Only once in the last 8 season has Vaz fell short of 200 innings. And in that season he still pitched 198 innings.

 

Ted Lilly has reached the 200 innings pitched plateau once.

 

Technically, that doesn't mean Vaz is better then Lilly, simply means he's been healthier. And to be fair, Lilly does have two other seasons in which he pitched over 180 innngs. Not to mention Lilly didn't start having 30 started games in a season until 2003 (in comparasion Vazquez was having 30 start seasons by 2001). So while I will give you Vazquez is more durable then Lilly, I certaintly won't agree that Vazquez is better due to durability.

 

I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Health and durability absolutely factor into how "good" a pitcher is. I'm not saying I would take a guy like Livan Hernandez over a guy like Ben Sheets, but durability has to be taken into account.

 

Not too mention the fact that Javier Vazquez is better when health is not taken into consideration.

[TruffleShuffle]

Danks vs Lieber= Sox (is Lieber healthy? What does he have left?)

Floyd vs Marquis/Dempster/Marshall=Sox (Marquis is bad, Dempster was a closer for the recent past can he adjust? Marshall ehhhhh.)

 

i like these two. basically there are question marks about the cubs' veteran guys, but the white sox guys are young so the're just guaranteed to be better. never mind that john danks got drilled with the big club last year. or that gavin floyd hasn't looked very good the last three years. maybe we should just insert gallagher and samardzija into the rotation, that way it'll be a tie since young unproven guys are automatically better than average veterans.

 

Bullpen= Sox in a landslide.

 

FTH?!?!?

[killthegoat06]

Danks vs Lieber= Sox (is Lieber healthy? What does he have left?)

Floyd vs Marquis/Dempster/Marshall=Sox (Marquis is bad, Dempster was a closer for the recent past can he adjust? Marshall ehhhhh.)

 

i like these two. basically there are question marks about the cubs' veteran guys, but the white sox guys are young so the're just guaranteed to be better. never mind that john danks got drilled with the big club last year. or that gavin floyd hasn't looked very good the last three years. maybe we should just insert gallagher and samardzija into the rotation, that way it'll be a tie since young unproven guys are automatically better than average veterans.

 

Bullpen= Sox in a landslide.

 

FTH?!?!?

I think the bullpen comment is the biggest joke. I love our bullpen with Howry, Wood, Marmol, Weurtz, and probably Hart.

[jaydee]

i really can't think of one aspect that the sox are better in.

[Yanksfan1523]

i really can't think of one aspect that the sox are better in.

 

Not even SS? I have to agree that Cabrera>Cubs SS, on paper.