Want to laugh?

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, I'd definitely take Cabrera over Theriot. If Swisher is in CF, I'd take him over Pie, though Swisher's D will be pretty horrible if they stick him out there. Other than that, I'd take Vazquez over Lilly, and that's about it.

[MPC]

i really can't think of one aspect that the sox are better in.

DH?

[UMFan83]

i really can't think of one aspect that the sox are better in.

 

Mulleted fans?

[SouthSideRyan]

i really can't think of one aspect that the sox are better in.

 

Mulleted fans?

 

Domestic abuse convictions.

 

Seriously though, south siders...beat their wives.

[cbbryan]

the fact that Vasquez put up those numbers in the AL probably means he had a better year

 

True for last year, but Lilly had a better year the year before and he was in a tougher AL division going up against the Yanks and Red Sox. They're a really close comparison in my mind and it's hard to predict who will be better from one year to the next.

 

Lilly should have a slight edge with the NL Central, but it doesn't make him any less of a pitcher then Vasquez.

 

Health/Durability is a major reason why Vaz is better.

 

Only once in the last 8 season has Vaz fell short of 200 innings. And in that season he still pitched 198 innings.

 

Ted Lilly has reached the 200 innings pitched plateau once.

 

Would you take 200 innings of a Jason Marquis or 198 innings of Pedro Martinez? Innings pitched does not quantify how good a pitcher is.

[CubColtPacer]

the fact that Vasquez put up those numbers in the AL probably means he had a better year

 

True for last year, but Lilly had a better year the year before and he was in a tougher AL division going up against the Yanks and Red Sox. They're a really close comparison in my mind and it's hard to predict who will be better from one year to the next.

 

Lilly should have a slight edge with the NL Central, but it doesn't make him any less of a pitcher then Vasquez.

 

Health/Durability is a major reason why Vaz is better.

 

Only once in the last 8 season has Vaz fell short of 200 innings. And in that season he still pitched 198 innings.

 

Ted Lilly has reached the 200 innings pitched plateau once.

 

Would you take 200 innings of a Jason Marquis or 198 innings of Pedro Martinez? Innings pitched does not quantify how good a pitcher is.

 

In part, it does. Every inning that your starter doesn't pitch is filled by your 6th best pitcher.

 

Would you rather have 200 innings of a guy with 3.7 ERA or 160 innings of a guy with 3.5 ERA? I'd take the 200 inning guy because the likelihood is that the other 40 innings are filled with either a bad starter who had to fill in or has burnt out the bullpen. If that 40 innings is filled with a starter who has an ERA of 5, then the 200 innings of 3.7 is better.

[cbbryan]

the fact that Vasquez put up those numbers in the AL probably means he had a better year

 

True for last year, but Lilly had a better year the year before and he was in a tougher AL division going up against the Yanks and Red Sox. They're a really close comparison in my mind and it's hard to predict who will be better from one year to the next.

 

Lilly should have a slight edge with the NL Central, but it doesn't make him any less of a pitcher then Vasquez.

 

Health/Durability is a major reason why Vaz is better.

 

Only once in the last 8 season has Vaz fell short of 200 innings. And in that season he still pitched 198 innings.

 

Ted Lilly has reached the 200 innings pitched plateau once.

 

Would you take 200 innings of a Jason Marquis or 198 innings of Pedro Martinez? Innings pitched does not quantify how good a pitcher is.

 

In part, it does. Every inning that your starter doesn't pitch is filled by your 6th best pitcher.

 

Would you rather have 200 innings of a guy with 3.7 ERA or 160 innings of a guy with 3.5 ERA? I'd take the 200 inning guy because the likelihood is that the other 40 innings are filled with either a bad starter who had to fill in or has burnt out the bullpen. If that 40 innings is filled with a starter who has an ERA of 5, then the 200 innings of 3.7 is better.

 

So you'd take Marquis over Pedro?

[CubColtPacer]

the fact that Vasquez put up those numbers in the AL probably means he had a better year

 

True for last year, but Lilly had a better year the year before and he was in a tougher AL division going up against the Yanks and Red Sox. They're a really close comparison in my mind and it's hard to predict who will be better from one year to the next.

 

Lilly should have a slight edge with the NL Central, but it doesn't make him any less of a pitcher then Vasquez.

 

Health/Durability is a major reason why Vaz is better.

 

Only once in the last 8 season has Vaz fell short of 200 innings. And in that season he still pitched 198 innings.

 

Ted Lilly has reached the 200 innings pitched plateau once.

 

Would you take 200 innings of a Jason Marquis or 198 innings of Pedro Martinez? Innings pitched does not quantify how good a pitcher is.

 

In part, it does. Every inning that your starter doesn't pitch is filled by your 6th best pitcher.

 

Would you rather have 200 innings of a guy with 3.7 ERA or 160 innings of a guy with 3.5 ERA? I'd take the 200 inning guy because the likelihood is that the other 40 innings are filled with either a bad starter who had to fill in or has burnt out the bullpen. If that 40 innings is filled with a starter who has an ERA of 5, then the 200 innings of 3.7 is better.

 

So you'd take Marquis over Pedro?

 

No. That's a ridiculous example. They are so far apart in production to make the innings difference worthless.

 

Here's Vasquez and Lilly's 2002:

 

Vasquez: 230 1/3 IP, 3.91 ERA, 1.268 WHIP

Lilly: 100 IP, 3.69 ERA, 1.11 WHIP

 

Which season would you take on your team?

[cbbryan]

So you'd take Marquis over Pedro?

 

No. That's a ridiculous example. They are so far apart in production to make the innings difference worthless.

 

Here's Vasquez and Lilly's 2002:

 

Vasquez: 230 1/3 IP, 3.91 ERA, 1.268 WHIP

Lilly: 100 IP, 3.69 ERA, 1.11 WHIP

 

Which season would you take on your team?

 

I was trying to qualify your statement earlier as only taking the innings in effect and not the production, but obviously you meant something different then you stated.

 

I'd take Lilly and make him pitch 100 more innings! But if I knew he was only going to pitch 100 innings, I'd probably take Vasquez. 100 innings is most likely an injury year for Lilly at this point.

[CubmanPi]

1B: Konerko vs Lee= Cubs (close but Lee is better defensively and offensively)

The way this is worded, it makes it sound like it's in the spirit of "... but other than THAT, how did you enjoy the show, Mrs Lincoln?"

 

meh. I found it amusing.

[SouthSideRyan]

1B: Konerko vs Lee= Cubs (close but Lee is better defensively and offensively)

The way this is worded, it makes it sound like it's in the spirit of "... but other than THAT, how did you enjoy the show, Mrs Lincoln?"

 

meh. I found it amusing.

 

Konerko's a great baserunner.

[nilodnayr]

i really can't think of one aspect that the sox are better in.

 

Not even SS? I have to agree that Cabrera>Cubs SS, on paper.

 

And DH (duh) and CF and Closer

[Ender]

Vazquez > Lilly just to get that straight~

 

I'm confused how he thinks that Konerko=Lee when Kenorko has been significantly worse than Lee offensively in 3 of the last 4 years and is much worse defensively and is older and trending the wrong way.

 

As bad as I think the Cubs #4/#5 starters will be this year it is hard to say Danks/Floyd are better than anyone. I'm also very confused by him thinking the Sox bullpen is suddenly good after some questionable contracts to players on the downside of their careers.

 

I say all of this as a Brewer fan so I'm not even biased. The Sox will be lucky to win 81 games, the Cubs might win their division.