Here's the 2 deals Hendry needs to make

abuck1220 · January 28, 2008

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

LOVE THIS.

nilodnayr · January 28, 2008

Oh wow, now you guys are gonna gang up on me and say Lofton is better than Figgins. This is freaking ridiculous. I really hope all Cub fans arent as dumb as you guys. I said that I would NOTTTTTTTTT give up stud prospects for Figgins, which is what it would take to get him. But this thread started by saying giving up Murton + others for Figgins. If others included a package centered around Cedeno, Dempster, Marquis, Veal, Patterson I would do it in a second. Yes Lofton's #'s are comparable to Figgins over the last few years BUT there is a reason why he is not signed until the last second EVERY YEAR! I like Lofton but I would much rather have Figgins. Lofton is on the DECLINE. One of these years he's gonna be awful. And when you put up the comparing numbers you guys leave out the real good ones. Figgins is in his prime. Last year could be a sign of things to come, or it could not. Im gonna say it was NOT a fluke. Figgins just turned 30. Lofton will be 41 in a few months. .330 avg, .393 obp, 41 SB!! How are these not stud numbers???? Lofton did very well last year. .296 avg, .357 obp, 23 SB. But that doesnt compare to Figgins, sorry. And you can talk about the previous years, but it wont matter cuz one is on the decline and one is on the rise. So please tell me this. Say we end up trading Pie and Gallagher for Roberts. (which i dont think we will) Which would u rather have......

A) Trade Murton, Cedeno, Veal and Dempster for Figgins
or
B) Sign Lofton and keep those 4?

Please I hope to God you dont say B. Cuz that is ridiculous.

The idea isn't to keep those four. The idea is to use those four in a trade that would be more of an upgrade than from Lofton "up" to Figgins... Theriot up to any real shortstop is a much larger improvement than Figgins would be over Lofton, if he is one at all.

Let me guess, you think Khalil Greene over Theriot is more of an upgrade than Figgins over Lofton?? Cuz there arent any other shortstops out there that are available. And Greene is awful!

Yes, Greene over Theriot is a much bigger upgrade than Figgins over Lofton. Much bigger. I'd pull some stats to prove it, but you probably saw all four players on TV a few times. How could I argue against that?

I'll save you the time!!!!

Greene vs. Theriot
BA- .254 vs. .266 (hmmmm)
OBP- .291 vs. .326 (hmmmm)
BB- 32 vs. 49
K- 128 vs. 50 (ouch)
SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)
HR- 27 vs. 3 (this is the only thing Greene is that much better than Theriot)... power #s

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful. An OBP less than .300!!!!! Are you kidding me? Yes Greene plays good defense and hits for more power. But Theriot isnt that type of player. There is no way Greene is more of an upgrade over Theriot than Figgins is over Lofton.

i'm not sure what to say to someone who believes HR's are comparable to SB's

I'd politely ask them to move the discussion to the Fantasy Basebally section

inari · January 28, 2008

Oh wow, now you guys are gonna gang up on me and say Lofton is better than Figgins. This is freaking ridiculous. I really hope all Cub fans arent as dumb as you guys. I said that I would NOTTTTTTTTT give up stud prospects for Figgins, which is what it would take to get him. But this thread started by saying giving up Murton + others for Figgins. If others included a package centered around Cedeno, Dempster, Marquis, Veal, Patterson I would do it in a second. Yes Lofton's #'s are comparable to Figgins over the last few years BUT there is a reason why he is not signed until the last second EVERY YEAR! I like Lofton but I would much rather have Figgins. Lofton is on the DECLINE. One of these years he's gonna be awful. And when you put up the comparing numbers you guys leave out the real good ones. Figgins is in his prime. Last year could be a sign of things to come, or it could not. Im gonna say it was NOT a fluke. Figgins just turned 30. Lofton will be 41 in a few months. .330 avg, .393 obp, 41 SB!! How are these not stud numbers???? Lofton did very well last year. .296 avg, .357 obp, 23 SB. But that doesnt compare to Figgins, sorry. And you can talk about the previous years, but it wont matter cuz one is on the decline and one is on the rise. So please tell me this. Say we end up trading Pie and Gallagher for Roberts. (which i dont think we will) Which would u rather have......

A) Trade Murton, Cedeno, Veal and Dempster for Figgins
or
B) Sign Lofton and keep those 4?

Please I hope to God you dont say B. Cuz that is ridiculous.

The idea isn't to keep those four. The idea is to use those four in a trade that would be more of an upgrade than from Lofton "up" to Figgins... Theriot up to any real shortstop is a much larger improvement than Figgins would be over Lofton, if he is one at all.

Let me guess, you think Khalil Greene over Theriot is more of an upgrade than Figgins over Lofton?? Cuz there arent any other shortstops out there that are available. And Greene is awful!

Yes, Greene over Theriot is a much bigger upgrade than Figgins over Lofton. Much bigger. I'd pull some stats to prove it, but you probably saw all four players on TV a few times. How could I argue against that?

I'll save you the time!!!!

Greene vs. Theriot
BA- .254 vs. .266 (hmmmm)
OBP- .291 vs. .326 (hmmmm)
BB- 32 vs. 49
K- 128 vs. 50 (ouch)
SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)
HR- 27 vs. 3 (this is the only thing Greene is that much better than Theriot)... power #s

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful. An OBP less than .300!!!!! Are you kidding me? Yes Greene plays good defense and hits for more power. But Theriot isnt that type of player. There is no way Greene is more of an upgrade over Theriot than Figgins is over Lofton.

What the heck does that even mean?

Your opinion is wrong by every relevant measure. Here's some statistics that matter. The ones you posted, other than OBP, are pointless and don't tell us anything.

Greene vs. Theriot in 2007

OPS- .759 vs. .672

SLG- .468 vs .346

In Petco Park. Greene wins. I don't care about his batting average or how many bases he stole and neither should you.

Mephistopheles · January 28, 2008

or his strike outs. in a lot of situations strike outs are better than other out forms

fromthestretch · January 28, 2008

Yes, Greene over Theriot is a much bigger upgrade than Figgins over Lofton. Much bigger. I'd pull some stats to prove it, but you probably saw all four players on TV a few times. How could I argue against that?

I'll save you the time!!!!

Greene vs. Theriot
BA- .254 vs. .266 (hmmmm)
OBP- .291 vs. .326 (hmmmm)
BB- 32 vs. 49
K- 128 vs. 50 (ouch)
SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)
HR- 27 vs. 3 (this is the only thing Greene is that much better than Theriot)... power #s

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful. An OBP less than .300!!!!! Are you kidding me? Yes Greene plays good defense and hits for more power. But Theriot isnt that type of player. There is no way Greene is more of an upgrade over Theriot than Figgins is over Lofton.

Greene plays half his games in Petco Park which is like the Bizzaro Coors Field. If he didn't have to play 81 games there, his stats would look much more impressive. His career numbers on the road are .280/.335/.515. So yes, he's a much bigger upgrade over Theriot than Figgins is over Lofton.

UMFan83 · January 28, 2008

Oh wow, now you guys are gonna gang up on me and say Lofton is better than Figgins. This is freaking ridiculous. I really hope all Cub fans arent as dumb as you guys. I said that I would NOTTTTTTTTT give up stud prospects for Figgins, which is what it would take to get him. But this thread started by saying giving up Murton + others for Figgins. If others included a package centered around Cedeno, Dempster, Marquis, Veal, Patterson I would do it in a second. Yes Lofton's #'s are comparable to Figgins over the last few years BUT there is a reason why he is not signed until the last second EVERY YEAR! I like Lofton but I would much rather have Figgins. Lofton is on the DECLINE. One of these years he's gonna be awful. And when you put up the comparing numbers you guys leave out the real good ones. Figgins is in his prime. Last year could be a sign of things to come, or it could not. Im gonna say it was NOT a fluke. Figgins just turned 30. Lofton will be 41 in a few months. .330 avg, .393 obp, 41 SB!! How are these not stud numbers???? Lofton did very well last year. .296 avg, .357 obp, 23 SB. But that doesnt compare to Figgins, sorry. And you can talk about the previous years, but it wont matter cuz one is on the decline and one is on the rise. So please tell me this. Say we end up trading Pie and Gallagher for Roberts. (which i dont think we will) Which would u rather have......

A) Trade Murton, Cedeno, Veal and Dempster for Figgins
or
B) Sign Lofton and keep those 4?

Please I hope to God you dont say B. Cuz that is ridiculous.

The idea isn't to keep those four. The idea is to use those four in a trade that would be more of an upgrade than from Lofton "up" to Figgins... Theriot up to any real shortstop is a much larger improvement than Figgins would be over Lofton, if he is one at all.

Let me guess, you think Khalil Greene over Theriot is more of an upgrade than Figgins over Lofton?? Cuz there arent any other shortstops out there that are available. And Greene is awful!

Yes, Greene over Theriot is a much bigger upgrade than Figgins over Lofton. Much bigger. I'd pull some stats to prove it, but you probably saw all four players on TV a few times. How could I argue against that?

I'll save you the time!!!!

Greene vs. Theriot
BA- .254 vs. .266 (hmmmm)
OBP- .291 vs. .326 (hmmmm)
BB- 32 vs. 49
K- 128 vs. 50 (ouch)
SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)
HR- 27 vs. 3 (this is the only thing Greene is that much better than Theriot)... power #s

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful. An OBP less than .300!!!!! Are you kidding me? Yes Greene plays good defense and hits for more power. But Theriot isnt that type of player. There is no way Greene is more of an upgrade over Theriot than Figgins is over Lofton.

Now look at this http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

Look at where Petco Park is on that list. Last by a fairly large margin. Now look at Wrigley Field. It is number 2. One of those players plays at Petco, one plays a Wrigley.

Now look at this: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5797

Look at Greene's home road splits.

Home: .216/.258/.412/.690 (291 AB)

Away: .288/.322/.519/.841 (320 AB)

This point has been made 1,000 times. You don't have to agree with it, but I'd rather have a SS that has an over .800 OPS and plays good defense then Theriot.

inari · January 28, 2008

Yes, Greene over Theriot is a much bigger upgrade than Figgins over Lofton. Much bigger. I'd pull some stats to prove it, but you probably saw all four players on TV a few times. How could I argue against that?

I'll save you the time!!!!

Greene vs. Theriot
BA- .254 vs. .266 (hmmmm)
OBP- .291 vs. .326 (hmmmm)
BB- 32 vs. 49
K- 128 vs. 50 (ouch)
SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)
HR- 27 vs. 3 (this is the only thing Greene is that much better than Theriot)... power #s

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful. An OBP less than .300!!!!! Are you kidding me? Yes Greene plays good defense and hits for more power. But Theriot isnt that type of player. There is no way Greene is more of an upgrade over Theriot than Figgins is over Lofton.

Greene plays half his games in Petco Park which is like the Bizzaro Coors Field. If he didn't have to play 81 games there, his stats would look much more impressive. His career numbers on the road are .280/.335/.515. So yes, he's a much bigger upgrade over Theriot than Figgins is over Lofton.

Statistics don't tell the whole story!!!

mul21 · January 28, 2008

I'll save you the time!!!!

Greene vs. Theriot
BA- .254 vs. .266 (hmmmm)
OBP- .291 vs. .326 (hmmmm)
BB- 32 vs. 49
K- 128 vs. 50 (ouch)
SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)
HR- 27 vs. 3 (this is the only thing Greene is that much better than Theriot)... power #s

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful. An OBP less than .300!!!!! Are you kidding me? Yes Greene plays good defense and hits for more power. But Theriot isnt that type of player. There is no way Greene is more of an upgrade over Theriot than Figgins is over Lofton.

Have you heard of a stat called OPS? Look it up.

Have you heard of a thing called park factors? Look it up.

After doing so, unless you have a crippling learning disability, it will be come obvious to you that Greene is a massive upgrade due to his power, which has been massively suppressed because of the pasture he has played in called Petco. His numbers away from home dwarf his home numbers and would only be further increased by a move to Wrigley. And that's not even factoring in that he is twice the defensive player Theriot is.

Seriously, I don't post a lot and don't know nearly as much as a lot of people on this board, but I would suggest you sit back, read threads for about 2-3 months with an open mind and get a feel for why people say the things they do. Then if you disagree and have the desire to back up your point of view with valid statistics then go for it. But until then, theres an old addage: Better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

DenverCubs · January 28, 2008

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful.

So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Greene, but Greene is god awful. OK, you've convinced me.

Edited January 28, 2008 by DenverCubs

DeuceBaseman · January 28, 2008

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

LOVE THIS.

If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the f*ck decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not!

DeuceBaseman · January 28, 2008

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful.
So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Green, but Green is god awful. OK, you've convinced me.

Because I know it's not just about the numbers, but these guys are insisting on me including numbers into it. I dont think Theriot is good, but I dont think Greene is much of an upgrade. You gotta take into account future projections as well.

UMFan83 · January 28, 2008

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

LOVE THIS.

If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the f*ck decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not!

Oh no...

inari · January 28, 2008

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful.
So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Green, but Green is god awful. OK, you've convinced me.

Because I know it's not just about the numbers, but these guys are insisting on me including numbers into it. I dont think Theriot is good, but I dont think Greene is much of an upgrade. You gotta take into account future projections as well.

It is just about the numbers. I don't give two craps what you remember seeing on TV. And future projections? Jesus Christ this isn't worth the time. Is that you, Meph? This isn't funny.

fromthestretch · January 28, 2008

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

LOVE THIS.

If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the ____ decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not!

The overwhelming majority of people on this board will agree that OBP is a very important statistic. Batting average is not. While I understand the point you are trying to make when comparing SB and HR, they just aren't comparable. A home run equals a run, whereas a stolen base does not, thus making home runs much more valuable than steals.

DenverCubs · January 28, 2008

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful.
So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Green, but Green is god awful. OK, you've convinced me.

Because I know it's not just about the numbers, but these guys are insisting on me including numbers into it. I dont think Theriot is good, but I dont think Greene is much of an upgrade. You gotta take into account future projections as well.

Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS

Ryan Theriot             ss  28  .266  .324  .348 143 492  71 131 25  3  3  42  41  51 25  4

Khalil Greene            ss  28  .249  .300  .442 139 523  73 130 37  2 20  77  36 111  5  0

Chone Figgins#           3b  30  .283  .354  .386 141 552  92 156 25  7  6  58  60  91 41 12

Kenny Lofton*            cf  41  .279  .340  .356  98 348  55  97 11  5  2  37  33  32 17  4

So Figgins projects @ 44 OPS points over Lofton with comparable defense, and Greene projects @ 50 OPS points over Theriot (with 81 games in PETCO) and much better defense. There, now were taking projections into account.

Mephistopheles · January 28, 2008

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

LOVE THIS.

If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the f*ck decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not!

hey brutha

in your own words what does batting average tell us?

if it something close to this: it tells us how often a player gets a hit

then it is wrong. it does not tell us that

UMFan83 · January 28, 2008

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

LOVE THIS.

If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the ____ decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not!

The overwhelming majority of people on this board will agree that OBP is a very important statistic. Batting average is not. While I understand the point you are trying to make when comparing SB and HR, they just aren't comparable. A home run equals a run, whereas a stolen base does not, thus making home runs much more valuable than steals.

SLG > OBP (slightly) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BA>SB

JWCUB · January 28, 2008

Note to Deuce: If you are going to start a thread on the Cubs.com board badmouthing NSBB, and we are so terrible, then stop posting here.

Mephistopheles · January 28, 2008

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful.
So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Green, but Green is god awful. OK, you've convinced me.

Because I know it's not just about the numbers, but these guys are insisting on me including numbers into it. I dont think Theriot is good, but I dont think Greene is much of an upgrade. You gotta take into account future projections as well.
Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS 
Ryan Theriot             ss  28  .266  .324  .348 143 492  71 131 25  3  3  42  41  51 25  4 
Khalil Greene            ss  28  .249  .300  .442 139 523  73 130 37  2 20  77  36 111  5  0
Chone Figgins#           3b  30  .283  .354  .386 141 552  92 156 25  7  6  58  60  91 41 12
Kenny Lofton*            cf  41  .279  .340  .356  98 348  55  97 11  5  2  37  33  32 17  4 
So Figgins projects @ 44 OPS points over Lofton with comparable defense, and Greene projects @ 50 OPS points over Theriot (with 81 games in PETCO) and much better defense. There, now were taking projections into account.

we're taking projections with greene in petco....when hes not in petco if hes a cub

BRILLIANT!

DeuceBaseman · January 28, 2008

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful.
So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Green, but Green is god awful. OK, you've convinced me.

Because I know it's not just about the numbers, but these guys are insisting on me including numbers into it. I dont think Theriot is good, but I dont think Greene is much of an upgrade. You gotta take into account future projections as well.

It is just about the numbers. I don't give two craps what you remember seeing on TV. And future projections? Jesus Christ this isn't worth the time. Is that you, Meph? This isn't funny.

It's funny how 4 posts above you just said "STATISTICS DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY." And now you say "it is just about the numbers." Ok smarty you know everything yet you just completely contradict yourself in a matter of minutes.

DenverCubs · January 28, 2008

It is just about the numbers. I don't give two craps what you remember seeing on TV. And future projections? Jesus Christ this isn't worth the time. Is that you, Meph? This isn't funny.

There is a real possibility that it is.

Rob · January 28, 2008

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

LOVE THIS.

If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the f*ck decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not!

Thank you for my new sig.

DeuceBaseman · January 28, 2008

Note to Deuce: If you are going to start a thread on the Cubs.com board badmouthing NSBB, and we are so terrible, then stop posting here.

No, I like this board and its quick on getting news and rumors. But some of these opinions that I've come across today are ridiculous.

UMFan83 · January 28, 2008

Note to Deuce: If you are going to start a thread on the Cubs.com board badmouthing NSBB, and we are so terrible, then stop posting here.

Ahh, I was wondering why his responses were so slow. I was hoping that he was spending time registering an account at Baseball Prospectus.

DenverCubs · January 28, 2008

In my opinion I would rather have Greene than Theriot. But based on numbers Greene is god awful.
So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Green, but Green is god awful. OK, you've convinced me.

Because I know it's not just about the numbers, but these guys are insisting on me including numbers into it. I dont think Theriot is good, but I dont think Greene is much of an upgrade. You gotta take into account future projections as well.
Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS 
Ryan Theriot             ss  28  .266  .324  .348 143 492  71 131 25  3  3  42  41  51 25  4 
Khalil Greene            ss  28  .249  .300  .442 139 523  73 130 37  2 20  77  36 111  5  0
Chone Figgins#           3b  30  .283  .354  .386 141 552  92 156 25  7  6  58  60  91 41 12
Kenny Lofton*            cf  41  .279  .340  .356  98 348  55  97 11  5  2  37  33  32 17  4 
So Figgins projects @ 44 OPS points over Lofton with comparable defense, and Greene projects @ 50 OPS points over Theriot (with 81 games in PETCO) and much better defense. There, now were taking projections into account.
we're taking projections with greene in petco....when hes not in petco if hes a cub

BRILLIANT!

Wow...even when someone's on your side...

Plus I noted that they were at PETCO to point out that it was flawed...making him look worse than he is. When you can find me full season projections for Greene without 81 games at PETCO, post them.

Here's the 2 deals Hendry needs to make

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