Khalil refuses to sign long-term in SD

[imb]

wait, we'd be trading cedeno, murton, patterson and marshall for roberts and payton? lol

[soapy]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

[Soul]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

I haven't heard the slightest inkling that Hendry would be interested in him. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but still. Seems like we would have heard at least a rumor by January 21st.

[Vinestal]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

[Soul]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

It's funny to think that Shawon was an all star for us...twice. I never thought of him as really that good, at least with us. He was always this huge potential guy, but it was never fully realized.

 

I think it's been since Banks that we had a truly great SS.

[TheDude]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

[KingCubsFan]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

Let's also conveniently forget that the Cubs drafted Greene when Hendry was in charge

[Soul]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

Let's also conveniently forget that the Cubs drafted Greene when Hendry was in charge

 

Hahaha. I think I've heard Hendry say somewhere that he's "baffled" at the lack of position players coming from our minor leagues.

 

How about because you don't have the first clue how to develop them, Jimbo?

[Vinestal]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

 

Theriot is not that great of a defensive SS

[Ding Dong Johnson]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

Let's also conveniently forget that the Cubs drafted Greene when Hendry was in charge

 

Hahaha. I think I've heard Hendry say somewhere that he's "baffled" at the lack of position players coming from our minor leagues.

 

How about because you don't have the first clue how to develop them, Jimbo?

Not that I disagree, but what does that have to do with the previous post?

[TheDude]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

 

Theriot is not that great of a defensive SS

 

Hendry didn't target Theriot for the job. Theriot fell into the job under Lou's management. The people Hendry have targeted have been the weak-hitting defensive SSs.

[David]

Shawon Dunston can't hold a candle to Nomar's 2 productive months as a Cub SS in 2004.

[Soul]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

Let's also conveniently forget that the Cubs drafted Greene when Hendry was in charge

 

Hahaha. I think I've heard Hendry say somewhere that he's "baffled" at the lack of position players coming from our minor leagues.

 

How about because you don't have the first clue how to develop them, Jimbo?

Not that I disagree, but what does that have to do with the previous post?

 

So Greene was our ballplayer, and Hendry helped in drafting him.....so yet another ballplayer of ours has to go somewhere else to become major-league ready. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post bolded above to you?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So Greene was our ballplayer, and Hendry helped in drafting him.....so yet another ballplayer of ours has to go somewhere else to become major-league ready. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post bolded above to you?

They drafted him in the 14th round in 2001, and he went back to Clemson for another season. He was never "our ballplayer".

[CubColtPacer]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

Let's also conveniently forget that the Cubs drafted Greene when Hendry was in charge

 

Hahaha. I think I've heard Hendry say somewhere that he's "baffled" at the lack of position players coming from our minor leagues.

 

How about because you don't have the first clue how to develop them, Jimbo?

Not that I disagree, but what does that have to do with the previous post?

 

So Greene was our ballplayer, and Hendry helped in drafting him.....so yet another ballplayer of ours has to go somewhere else to become major-league ready. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post bolded above to you?

 

Greene was never our ballplayer. The Cubs drafted him in the 14th round after his junior year, and Greene chose to continue playing college baseball so that he could be drafted higher and get more money. He was drafted in the first round by the Padres the next year. This had absolutely nothing to do with the Cubs problems in player development.

[Soul]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

Let's also conveniently forget that the Cubs drafted Greene when Hendry was in charge

 

Hahaha. I think I've heard Hendry say somewhere that he's "baffled" at the lack of position players coming from our minor leagues.

 

How about because you don't have the first clue how to develop them, Jimbo?

Not that I disagree, but what does that have to do with the previous post?

 

So Greene was our ballplayer, and Hendry helped in drafting him.....so yet another ballplayer of ours has to go somewhere else to become major-league ready. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post bolded above to you?

 

Greene was never our ballplayer. The Cubs drafted him in the 14th round after his junior year, and Greene chose to continue playing college baseball so that he could be drafted higher and get more money. He was drafted in the first round by the Padres the next year. This had absolutely nothing to do with the Cubs problems in player development.

 

OK, so I didn't know that. I've got better things to do than to know the nuances of every player the Cubs draft.

 

My post has plenty to do with the previous post, AS POSTED. If it would have given more detail, obviously I wouldn't have said that.

[Post Count Padder]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

It's funny to think that Shawon was an all star for us...twice. I never thought of him as really that good, at least with us. He was always this huge potential guy, but it was never fully realized.

 

I think it's been since Banks that we had a truly great SS.

What about Ricky Gutierrez?

Edited January 21, 2008 by Post Count Padder

[Ding Dong Johnson]

OK, so I didn't know that. I've got better things to do than to know the nuances of every player the Cubs draft.

 

My post has plenty to do with the previous post, AS POSTED. If it would have given more detail, obviously I wouldn't have said that.

the post was simply pointing out that Hendry was around when the Cubs drafted Greene after someone asserted that Hendry was content with filling the position with crap

[CubColtPacer]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

Hendry wants a defensive shortstop, the other terms you throw out are superfluous. Greene is outstanding defensively. Combine that with the fact that Hendry already tried to trade for Greene last season, and your reasoning quickly falls apart.

Let's also conveniently forget that the Cubs drafted Greene when Hendry was in charge

 

Hahaha. I think I've heard Hendry say somewhere that he's "baffled" at the lack of position players coming from our minor leagues.

 

How about because you don't have the first clue how to develop them, Jimbo?

Not that I disagree, but what does that have to do with the previous post?

 

So Greene was our ballplayer, and Hendry helped in drafting him.....so yet another ballplayer of ours has to go somewhere else to become major-league ready. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post bolded above to you?

 

Greene was never our ballplayer. The Cubs drafted him in the 14th round after his junior year, and Greene chose to continue playing college baseball so that he could be drafted higher and get more money. He was drafted in the first round by the Padres the next year. This had absolutely nothing to do with the Cubs problems in player development.

 

OK, so I didn't know that. I've got better things to do than to know the nuances of every player the Cubs draft.

 

My post has plenty to do with the previous post, AS POSTED. If it would have given more detail, obviously I wouldn't have said that.

 

I honestly didn't know that until he posted it either.

 

If the Cubs really had traded Greene while he was in the minors, don't you think we would have heard about it 500 million times on this board? The Cubs finally get a good SS candidate in the system, and they trade him away? It would be brought up almost every week. It would be talked about as one of Hendry's biggest mistakes ever. The fact that it isn't makes it very logical to assume that the Cubs drafted but didn't sign him.

 

I wasn't trying to be mean about it. I didn't say anything about your post not making sense, just that the conclusion made by the post was incorrect. I apologize if I came across as harsh.

[ConstableRabbit]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

It's funny to think that Shawon was an all star for us...twice. I never thought of him as really that good, at least with us. He was always this huge potential guy, but it was never fully realized.

 

I think it's been since Banks that we had a truly great SS.

Fyi, Dunston's all-star seasons

 

1988 .249 .271 .357

1990 .262 .283 .426

 

Ew.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

but he threw the ball really hard

[Banedon]

but he threw the ball really hard

 

And stats just can't measure fire and intensity. And grittiness. And veteran-ness.

[Derwood]

a-gonz was pretty decent until game 6 :x

[Ding Dong Johnson]

but he threw the ball really hard

 

And stats just can't measure fire and intensity. And grittiness. And veteran-ness.

the Shawn-o-meter couldn't go that high

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Here is the deal, Towers trades Greene to the Cubs for Eric Patterson, and the Cubs don't file tampering charges regarding Prior. Seems like a fair deal to me.