While we're waiting for the Roberts deal

[Backtobanks]

I'm still hard at work trying to get us a SS. The Pirates are trying to restock their minor league system and are upset that Xavier Nady doesn't seem to have the trade value that they had hoped. How about we help them out with with this 3-way deal:

 

Padres get: Xavier Nady, Jack Wilson (from Pirates) Fuld/Patterson (from Cubs)

Cubs get: Greene, Hairston (from Padres)

Pirates get: Theriot, Fontenot, Fuld/Patterson, Veal (from Cubs)

 

I tried not to use any of the players mentioned in the Roberts trade (Gallagher, Marshall, Cedeno).

 

Roberts

Fukudome

DLee

ARam

Soriano

Soto

Greene

Pie

 

=D>

[JeffH]

Dave Littlefield works for us now, dude.

[sneakypower]

There are other SS in baseball besides Khalil Greene. The majority of them are better, too.

[CubColtPacer]

From the Padres standpoint:

Wilson is a big downgrade from Greene.

Hairston and Nady are similar players with Nady having a little more value.

Fuld/Patterson have limited value.

 

Padres say: No

 

From the Cubs standpoint:

 

Greene is a huge upgrade.

Hairston is a good backup OF.

The Cubs give up some limited value players such as Fuld and Patterson, and some very little value players in Theriot and Fontenot.

 

Cubs say: Absolutely Yes

 

Pirates:

 

Theriot is a decent downgrade from Wilson

Fontenot is a bench player with little future value.

Patterson/Fuld maybe develops into Nady

Veal is an interesting piece with value but with a lot of question marks

 

Pirates say: No

 

Fontenot is essentially worthless in any deal. A 27 year old second baseman who puts up a .750 OPS, only plays second base, and is not good defensively is not exactly a commodity.

 

Theriot is a little better but only has true value if a G.M. truly values his grit factor. Otherwise, players of his caliber aren't that hard to find, and so his value is very limited.

 

Fuld has some value, but his projections are still giving him the upside of a 4th outfielder. He's not going to be anything more than a sweetener to any deal.

 

Patterson would be the best piece of the 4, but he has major question marks around him. Patterson wouldn't be in any major deal as the centerpiece, but more like the 3rd wheel (such as the worst prospect in the original Roberts deal).

 

I'm not even sure if the Cubs could get Jack Wilson straight up for those 4, let alone Greene and Hairston.

[UMFan83]

There are other SS in baseball besides Khalil Greene. The majority of them are better, too.

 

OK lets just go after Jeter or Hanley Ramirez then. Oh wait there is no way they will get traded.

 

Greene keeps getting mentioned because of a rumor that he was available for Pie last May. Right now, not too many better SSs are rumored to be out there, hence why Greene is mentioned so often.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

THe Pirates really get nothing out of that deal(except maybe Veal), but they are vegans.

[TheDude]

Your definition of 'hard at work' is to propose yet another Greene thread?

[Mephistopheles]

Jack Wilson isn't really an upgrade for Ryan Theriot and Lil Ronny. There are some interesting trade candidates out there:

 

Bobby Crosby - Sucked the last few years, injury prone but a quality buy low candidate who could be had for a marginal prospect, I think.

Wilson Betemit - No full time job any time soon in NYY. Perhaps we can send a decent prospect to them that Minnesota covets to complete a trade for Santana. Has played SS sparingly in his career, he'd be no worse than Theriot defensively.

Felipe Lopez - bottomed out last season after two 350 OBP seasons. Still 27, so he's likely to return to his level of production. He's out of a starting gig with Guzman and Belliard in town.

 

I'd give the Meph Stamp of Approval to acquiring any of those three guys

 

There are other SS in baseball besides Khalil Greene. The majority of them are better, too.

 

This isn't true, but w/e. Keep being ignorant and oblivious to the truth if you want.

[Bruno7481]

Felipe Lopez...ehhhh.

 

If you check the numbers of his only good year, 2005 in Cincy, you will see that was heavily GABP induced.

 

At home he put up a .305/.368/.536

 

On the road it was .277/.335/.435

 

Since leaving that hitter's paradise he really hasn't done a whole lot. He is a much more expensive version of what the Cubs basically have in Ryonnie Therideno.

[Backtobanks]

Jack Wilson isn't really an upgrade for Ryan Theriot and Lil Ronny. There are some interesting trade candidates out there:

 

Bobby Crosby - Sucked the last few years, injury prone but a quality buy low candidate who could be had for a marginal prospect, I think.

Wilson Betemit - No full time job any time soon in NYY. Perhaps we can send a decent prospect to them that Minnesota covets to complete a trade for Santana. Has played SS sparingly in his career, he'd be no worse than Theriot defensively.

Felipe Lopez - bottomed out last season after two 350 OBP seasons. Still 27, so he's likely to return to his level of production. He's out of a starting gig with Guzman and Belliard in town.

 

I'd give the Meph Stamp of Approval to acquiring any of those three guys

 

There are other SS in baseball besides Khalil Greene. The majority of them are better, too.

 

This isn't true, but w/e. Keep being ignorant and oblivious to the truth if you want.

 

Now you see why I keep bringing up Greene. The only real SSs that I see that are upgrades and might be available are Greene, Peralta, and Furcal.

[HoopsCubs]

I'm still hard at work trying to get us a SS. The Pirates are trying to restock their minor league system and are upset that Xavier Nady doesn't seem to have the trade value that they had hoped. How about we help them out with with this 3-way deal:

 

Padres get: Xavier Nady, Jack Wilson (from Pirates) Fuld/Patterson (from Cubs)

Cubs get: Greene, Hairston (from Padres)

Pirates get: Theriot, Fontenot, Fuld/Patterson, Veal (from Cubs)

 

I tried not to use any of the players mentioned in the Roberts trade (Gallagher, Marshall, Cedeno).

 

Roberts

Fukudome

DLee

ARam

Soriano

Soto

Greene

Pie

 

=D>

 

In regards to acquiring a SS, maybe the Indians trade for Roberts, and then trade either Peralta or Cabrera to the Cubs? What do you think the Indians would need to trade Peralta?

 

From Ken Rosenthal:

 

"The Cubs remain the most likely fit for Roberts. The Mets made a strong run at Bedard at the general managers' meetings in November. The Indians, who have explored trades for impact players all off-season, like both Roberts and Bedard."

[rawaction]

Jack Wilson isn't really an upgrade for Ryan Theriot and Lil Ronny. There are some interesting trade candidates out there:

 

Bobby Crosby - Sucked the last few years, injury prone but a quality buy low candidate who could be had for a marginal prospect, I think.

Wilson Betemit - No full time job any time soon in NYY. Perhaps we can send a decent prospect to them that Minnesota covets to complete a trade for Santana. Has played SS sparingly in his career, he'd be no worse than Theriot defensively.

Felipe Lopez - bottomed out last season after two 350 OBP seasons. Still 27, so he's likely to return to his level of production. He's out of a starting gig with Guzman and Belliard in town.

 

I'd give the Meph Stamp of Approval to acquiring any of those three guys

 

I'd go for any of those 3 also. Alex Gonzalez/Jeff Keppinger would be nice too. Of course, Peralta, Greene or Furcal would be too.

[wrigley23]

hoops...this club needs a legit leadoff hitter. you don't agree?

[Bruno7481]

I was on the Keppinger bandwagon last winter, but I really don't think he'd be an adequate SS on a full time basis. He's a hitter without a real position.

 

He's not as good as he hit last year, but I think he's still good enough to be an excellent utility guy.

[CubinNY]

hoops...this club needs a legit leadoff hitter. you don't agree?

What position will this person play?

[rawaction]

I was on the Keppinger bandwagon last winter, but I really don't think he'd be an adequate SS on a full time basis. He's a hitter without a real position.

 

He's not as good as he hit last year, but I think he's still good enough to be an excellent utility guy.

 

Kinda like Ryan Theriot, without the "hitter" part.

[wrigley23]

2B or CF more than likely. fwiw...steve stone is a big fan of Roberts at lead off & does not think soriano is best for this club at that spot. Having said that, he thinks the Cub needs to upgrade starting pitcher first followed by a leadoff hitter second.

[YearofDaCubs]

I'd take a chance on Crosby if the price was right.

[Butterscup1679666578]

hoops...this club needs a legit leadoff hitter. you don't agree?

What position will this person play?

 

Leadoff...duh

[javy knows my name]

hoops...this club needs a legit leadoff hitter. you don't agree?

What position will this person play?

 

Leadoff...duh

=D>

[nilodnayr]

2B or CF more than likely. fwiw...steve stone is a big fan of Roberts at lead off & does not think soriano is best for this club at that spot. Having said that, he thinks the Cub needs to upgrade starting pitcher first followed by a leadoff hitter second.

 

Steve Stone can tell you what pitch the pitcher should throw next. Thats about all he can do.

[Rob]

The Cubs don't need to improve "leadoff hitter" one tiny iota. Improve the quality of the players on the field, and the lineup will resolve itself.

[David]

2B or CF more than likely. fwiw...steve stone is a big fan of Roberts at lead off & does not think soriano is best for this club at that spot. Having said that, he thinks the Cub needs to upgrade starting pitcher first followed by a leadoff hitter second.

 

Steve Stone can tell you what pitch the pitcher should throw next. Thats about all he can do.

 

 

So can I. A slider, low and away.

[Dr. Cub]

2B or CF more than likely. fwiw...steve stone is a big fan of Roberts at lead off & does not think soriano is best for this club at that spot. Having said that, he thinks the Cub needs to upgrade starting pitcher first followed by a leadoff hitter second.

 

Steve Stone can tell you what pitch the pitcher should throw next. Thats about all he can do.

 

 

So can I. A slider, low and away.

WOW. How in the heck did you do that?

[Backtobanks]

I'm still hard at work trying to get us a SS. The Pirates are trying to restock their minor league system and are upset that Xavier Nady doesn't seem to have the trade value that they had hoped. How about we help them out with with this 3-way deal:

 

Padres get: Xavier Nady, Jack Wilson (from Pirates) Fuld/Patterson (from Cubs)

Cubs get: Greene, Hairston (from Padres)

Pirates get: Theriot, Fontenot, Fuld/Patterson, Veal (from Cubs)

 

I tried not to use any of the players mentioned in the Roberts trade (Gallagher, Marshall, Cedeno).

 

Roberts

Fukudome

DLee

ARam

Soriano

Soto

Greene

Pie

 

=D>

 

In regards to acquiring a SS, maybe the Indians trade for Roberts, and then trade either Peralta or Cabrera to the Cubs? What do you think the Indians would need to trade Peralta?

 

From Ken Rosenthal:

 

"The Cubs remain the most likely fit for Roberts. The Mets made a strong run at Bedard at the general managers' meetings in November. The Indians, who have explored trades for impact players all off-season, like both Roberts and Bedard."

 

I'm so tired of waiting for the Roberts deal that I would almost welcome your thought above. I've tried to make the case that I think the resources being used to obtain Roberts could be used to upgrade SS. I still think the upgrade from DeRosa to Roberts is minimal.