2008 College Football

Butterscup1679666578 · July 24, 2008

HA HA HA HA

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

In next year’s NFL Draft.

Well, I might sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round next year then.

Magnetic Curses · July 24, 2008

illini landed the 2009 17th rated qb in the nation, nathan scheelhaase, from kansas city.

That's a good fit for the Illinois offense. I know Mizzou was after him too, but the Illini offense is probably a better fit, and he'd have fewer guys in between him and playing time.

Terry Hawthorne, a WR from East St. Louis(Rivals 18th best WR, Scout 57th), also committed to U of I this weekend.

i don't know, i think charest is a major obstacle for scheelhaase, although i'm blown away by what he looks like on the field as compared to charest.

hawthorne is good, but we really want appleton.

I'm pretty bummed about ScheelHaase. He was exactly the recruit we need to turn a good recruiting class into a national ranked one. No question about it, that Zook can recruit.

i think scheelhaase has a chance to be a 4-year starter, if he can beat out charest. dual threat with a big-time arm, his tapes remind me of mcnabb in high school.

i have to say it, mostly because the tigers are so happy with their qb haul. but i've heard a couple of big 12 people, including missouri fans, say that scheelhaase is better than either of the blaines. sorry tt. :P

Transmogrified Tiger · July 24, 2008

To use a Mizzou analogy, from what I've heard Scheelhaase is a Brad Smith type(dynamic playmaker, weakness in consistent passing) while Dalton is more of a Chase Daniel(runs the spread in HS, known as a heady leader type, shorter for the position without extraordinary physical gifts). Gabbert seems to be a bit of both. I'm not surprised to hear someone say that Scheelhaase is better than Dalton, he is if he's consistent throwing the ball. Gabbert surprises me a bit though, he's the total package with physical gifts and passing ability.

dew1679666265 · July 24, 2008

HA HA HA HA

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

In next year’s NFL Draft.

Well, I might sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round next year then.

Interesting:

Josh Freeman, soph yr - 63.3 comp %, 6.7 yards per pass, 18:11 TD:INT, 127.3 rating

Matt Ryan, jr yr - 61.6%, 6.9 y/pass, 15:10 TD:INT, 126.4 rating

I don't think a "mediocre" year from Freeman should make him the #1 pick, just as I don't think Matt Ryan should have been the first QB taken in the draft. But, I can see the precedent for an NFL team falling in love with Freeman's natural skills (he is 6'6, 250) much like they did Ryan's and not looking at the stats.

Freeman's sophomore year and Ryan's junior year were eerily similar.

snoodmonger · July 24, 2008

HA HA HA HA

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

In next year’s NFL Draft.

Well, I might sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round next year then.

Interesting:

Josh Freeman, soph yr - 63.3 comp %, 6.7 yards per pass, 18:11 TD:INT, 127.3 rating

Matt Ryan, jr yr - 61.6%, 6.9 y/pass, 15:10 TD:INT, 126.4 rating

I don't think a "mediocre" year from Freeman should make him the #1 pick, just as I don't think Matt Ryan should have been the first QB taken in the draft. But, I can see the precedent for an NFL team falling in love with Freeman's natural skills (he is 6'6, 250) much like they did Ryan's and not looking at the stats.

Freeman's sophomore year and Ryan's junior year were eerily similar.

Freeman won't have Jordy Nelson to save his ass. I don't know what Ryan' decision making abilities were like, but freeman's are pretty bad. The offense is basically designed to make him think as little as possible.

Butterscup1679666578 · July 24, 2008

HA HA HA HA

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

In next year’s NFL Draft.

Well, I might sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round next year then.

Interesting:

Josh Freeman, soph yr - 63.3 comp %, 6.7 yards per pass, 18:11 TD:INT, 127.3 rating

Matt Ryan, jr yr - 61.6%, 6.9 y/pass, 15:10 TD:INT, 126.4 rating

I don't think a "mediocre" year from Freeman should make him the #1 pick, just as I don't think Matt Ryan should have been the first QB taken in the draft. But, I can see the precedent for an NFL team falling in love with Freeman's natural skills (he is 6'6, 250) much like they did Ryan's and not looking at the stats.

Freeman's sophomore year and Ryan's junior year were eerily similar.

Freeman won't have Jordy Nelson to save his ass. I don't know what Ryan' decision making abilities were like, but freeman's are pretty bad. The offense is basically designed to make him think as little as possible.

Seriously. I've seen Freeman play a few times and it seems if the D can get to him early, he'll be rattled for the rest of the game.

dew1679666265 · July 24, 2008

HA HA HA HA

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

In next year’s NFL Draft.

Well, I might sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round next year then.

Interesting:

Josh Freeman, soph yr - 63.3 comp %, 6.7 yards per pass, 18:11 TD:INT, 127.3 rating

Matt Ryan, jr yr - 61.6%, 6.9 y/pass, 15:10 TD:INT, 126.4 rating

I don't think a "mediocre" year from Freeman should make him the #1 pick, just as I don't think Matt Ryan should have been the first QB taken in the draft. But, I can see the precedent for an NFL team falling in love with Freeman's natural skills (he is 6'6, 250) much like they did Ryan's and not looking at the stats.

Freeman's sophomore year and Ryan's junior year were eerily similar.

Freeman won't have Jordy Nelson to save his ass. I don't know what Ryan' decision making abilities were like, but freeman's are pretty bad. The offense is basically designed to make him think as little as possible.

Ryan's were pretty bad his senior year - exactly the reason why I didn't understand him going so early. He was a poor decision maker (19 picks his senior year) with a lot of raw talent - exactly what Freeman sounds like.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 24, 2008

An important difference, Ryan's teams won(KSU has no chance of even making a bowl this year), and Ryan wasn't the 8th best QB in his own conference(and that's being generous to Freeman).

dew1679666265 · July 24, 2008

An important difference, Ryan's teams won(KSU has no chance of even making a bowl this year), and Ryan wasn't the 8th best QB in his own conference(and that's being generous to Freeman).

The Big XII is a whole heck of a lot better than the ACC. Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Kansas are much better than anything the ACC has. Texas Tech, Texas A&M, KState, Ok State and Nebraska would probably be some of the better teams in the ACC. Boston College might not be middle of the road in the Big XII.

Like I said, I don't think Ryan or Freeman are/were deserving of the #1 pick - but there's precedent for NFL teams to draft off potential and skill sets over production.

Andy · July 24, 2008

HA HA HA HA

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

In next year’s NFL Draft.

Well, I might sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round next year then.

Interesting:

Josh Freeman, soph yr - 63.3 comp %, 6.7 yards per pass, 18:11 TD:INT, 127.3 rating

Matt Ryan, jr yr - 61.6%, 6.9 y/pass, 15:10 TD:INT, 126.4 rating

I don't think a "mediocre" year from Freeman should make him the #1 pick, just as I don't think Matt Ryan should have been the first QB taken in the draft. But, I can see the precedent for an NFL team falling in love with Freeman's natural skills (he is 6'6, 250) much like they did Ryan's and not looking at the stats.

Freeman's sophomore year and Ryan's junior year were eerily similar.

Freeman won't have Jordy Nelson to save his ass. I don't know what Ryan' decision making abilities were like, but freeman's are pretty bad. The offense is basically designed to make him think as little as possible.

Ryan threw about eleventy billion more interceptions than any previous high-rated draft QB, so it's safe to say his decision-making wasn't great.

dew1679666265 · July 25, 2008

Ryan threw about eleventy billion more interceptions than any previous high-rated draft QB, so it's safe to say his decision-making wasn't great.

In the BC games I watched last year (granted only three or four), Ryan relied mostly on his natural talents (plentiful as they are) and completely disregarded smart throws.

It worked most of the time against inferior athletes, but I suspect it won't in the NFL. The same goes for Freeman if he has the natural talents it sounds like he might.

dew1679666265 · July 25, 2008

An important difference, Ryan's teams won(KSU has no chance of even making a bowl this year), and Ryan wasn't the 8th best QB in his own conference(and that's being generous to Freeman).

Just out of curiosity, how do you (and Cubbies75) feel about his natural talent? Is he a top pick in that respect, but has terrible decision-making skills or is he just terrible all around?

I've never watched him, so I only have stats and scouting reports to go off of.

snoodmonger · July 25, 2008

An important difference, Ryan's teams won(KSU has no chance of even making a bowl this year), and Ryan wasn't the 8th best QB in his own conference(and that's being generous to Freeman).

Just out of curiosity, how do you (and Cubbies75) feel about his natural talent? Is he a top pick in that respect, but has terrible decision-making skills or is he just terrible all around?

I've never watched him, so I only have stats and scouting reports to go off of.

I personally don't see it. He's got all the right physical measurements, but that's about where it stops. He's never impressed me as a quarterback.

dew1679666265 · July 25, 2008

An important difference, Ryan's teams won(KSU has no chance of even making a bowl this year), and Ryan wasn't the 8th best QB in his own conference(and that's being generous to Freeman).

Just out of curiosity, how do you (and Cubbies75) feel about his natural talent? Is he a top pick in that respect, but has terrible decision-making skills or is he just terrible all around?

I've never watched him, so I only have stats and scouting reports to go off of.

I personally don't see it. He's got all the right physical measurements, but that's about where it stops. He's never impressed me as a quarterback.

Hmm, interesting. The thing with Ryan is that you can see his talent, he just makes terrible decisions.

If Freeman doesn't look to have the physical talents, I'm not sure why they'd buy into only physical appearances.

snoodmonger · July 26, 2008

An Auburn fan compiled online previews for every team here

CubbieBum · July 26, 2008

HA HA HA HA

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

In next year’s NFL Draft.

Well, I might sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round next year then.

Interesting:

Josh Freeman, soph yr - 63.3 comp %, 6.7 yards per pass, 18:11 TD:INT, 127.3 rating

Matt Ryan, jr yr - 61.6%, 6.9 y/pass, 15:10 TD:INT, 126.4 rating

I don't think a "mediocre" year from Freeman should make him the #1 pick, just as I don't think Matt Ryan should have been the first QB taken in the draft. But, I can see the precedent for an NFL team falling in love with Freeman's natural skills (he is 6'6, 250) much like they did Ryan's and not looking at the stats.

Freeman's sophomore year and Ryan's junior year were eerily similar.

Freeman won't have Jordy Nelson to save his ass. I don't know what Ryan' decision making abilities were like, but freeman's are pretty bad. The offense is basically designed to make him think as little as possible.
Ryan threw about eleventy billion more interceptions than any previous high-rated draft QB, so it's safe to say his decision-making wasn't great.

I would have thought you would go off on a tangent considering how much you hate Ryan and BC.

Andy · July 26, 2008

HA HA HA HA

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

In next year’s NFL Draft.

Well, I might sneak into the 2nd or 3rd round next year then.

Interesting:

Josh Freeman, soph yr - 63.3 comp %, 6.7 yards per pass, 18:11 TD:INT, 127.3 rating

Matt Ryan, jr yr - 61.6%, 6.9 y/pass, 15:10 TD:INT, 126.4 rating

I don't think a "mediocre" year from Freeman should make him the #1 pick, just as I don't think Matt Ryan should have been the first QB taken in the draft. But, I can see the precedent for an NFL team falling in love with Freeman's natural skills (he is 6'6, 250) much like they did Ryan's and not looking at the stats.

Freeman's sophomore year and Ryan's junior year were eerily similar.

Freeman won't have Jordy Nelson to save his ass. I don't know what Ryan' decision making abilities were like, but freeman's are pretty bad. The offense is basically designed to make him think as little as possible.
Ryan threw about eleventy billion more interceptions than any previous high-rated draft QB, so it's safe to say his decision-making wasn't great.

I would have thought you would go off on a tangent considering how much you hate Ryan and BC.

I've gone off on my tangents. Now that Ryan is in my NFL team's division he doesn't annoy me as much because I like to imagine Ken Lucas and Chris Gamble picking him off all day long.

SpongeWorthy · July 26, 2008

I would be pretty surprised if Chase Daniel doesn't end up being the best pro QB out of the current Big XII quarterbacks--and there are a lot of good ones.

I see a more mobile Drew Brees out of him--very accurate, very heady, quick release, good leader, and underwhelming measurables.

This contrasts to Tim Tebow who I'm shocked is even considered a good potential pro in the NFL. Slow delivery, horrible accuracy, and his best skillset (running ISOs and dives into the teeth of the defense), and a pedigree from an extraordinarily gimmicky offense has almost zero value in the pros.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 26, 2008

Daniel's offense has no shortage of gimmicks as well. Daniel has the arm, decision making ability, and leadership qualities to be an NFL QB, but I wonder about him being a guy who has to take the majority of snaps under center(he's been running a spread since high school), instead of in a deeeep shotgun with huge splits that allows his shorter stature to see throwing lanes.

SpongeWorthy · July 26, 2008

The proliferation of wide open spreads in college is going to change the way quarterbacks are evaluated by pro teams, though. You can't avoid it. If you wanted to stick to legit QB prospects from traditional pro-style offenses at the college level you'd be looking at Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and not a whole lot else I can think of off the top of my head. Even Michigan, which was considered something of a QB factory, is going to be wildly different under RRod.

But even by these standards Florida's offense is extremely gimmicky. The quarterback lead isn't going to ever be featured in a pro offense. Also, I just wanted to rip on Tebow a little bit. I really can't believe he's considered a first round prospect.

dew1679666265 · July 26, 2008

I would be pretty surprised if Chase Daniel doesn't end up being the best pro QB out of the current Big XII quarterbacks--and there are a lot of good ones.

I see a more mobile Drew Brees out of him--very accurate, very heady, quick release, good leader, and underwhelming measurables.

This contrasts to Tim Tebow who I'm shocked is even considered a good potential pro in the NFL. Slow delivery, horrible accuracy, and his best skillset (running ISOs and dives into the teeth of the defense), and a pedigree from an extraordinarily gimmicky offense has almost zero value in the pros.

I agree that Tebow likely won't develop into a good NFL QB. He actually might make a good running back - good speed, very strong and could toss in a Hines Ward/Antwan Randle El-type trick play where he throws the ball.

Even Meph was talking about Tebow moving to full back (I think) last season.

Edited July 26, 2008 by dew

dew1679666265 · July 26, 2008

The proliferation of wide open spreads in college is going to change the way quarterbacks are evaluated by pro teams, though. You can't avoid it. If you wanted to stick to legit QB prospects from traditional pro-style offenses at the college level you'd be looking at Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and not a whole lot else I can think of off the top of my head. Even Michigan, which was considered something of a QB factory, is going to be wildly different under RRod.

But even by these standards Florida's offense is extremely gimmicky. The quarterback lead isn't going to ever be featured in a pro offense. Also, I just wanted to rip on Tebow a little bit. I really can't believe he's considered a first round prospect.

If they have to, NFL teams will reach into the I-AA ranks to find drop-back passers (i.e. Joe Flacco). Mobile QBs have to be truly special to make it in the NFL due to the speed all over the field. Most college teams simply don't have enough speed to contain mobile QBs - and if they do, the field awareness of those fast players isn't up to par with even an average NFL defender.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 26, 2008

The proliferation of wide open spreads in college is going to change the way quarterbacks are evaluated by pro teams, though. You can't avoid it. If you wanted to stick to legit QB prospects from traditional pro-style offenses at the college level you'd be looking at Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and not a whole lot else I can think of off the top of my head. Even Michigan, which was considered something of a QB factory, is going to be wildly different under RRod.

It's not the offense itself though, it's how the offense masks Daniel's weaknesses compared to him playing in an NFL offense. QB's that are 6-3 don't have that concern, regardless of their college offense.

imb · July 27, 2008

For the record, the Tulsa World has ranked Josh Freeman as the 10th best QB

in the Big 12.

Warpticon · July 27, 2008

I suspect this will not be a fun year for me as an Arkansas fan.

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