Re: Do we need to acquire a new SS?

[DenverCubs]

Am I (and badnews) the only one not sold on Blanton?

I'm not sold on him, and wouldn't want to give up everything to get him, but I do see our starting rotation as a more pressing problem than SS. If the A's would take Murton and Marshall/Gallagher would you make the trade? What does everyone think it will take?

I have to think he's an upgrade over Marquis or Dempster.

Edited December 20, 2007 by DenverCubs

[brinoch]

He always passes, even though there's no way a jolly fat man on a sleigh can physically *get* to the balls in the hole that he somehow manages to reach. Perhaps there's something about the time-space continuum that messes with the tests, I think.

[nilodnayr]

Am I (and badnews) the only one not sold on Blanton?

I'm not sold on him, and wouldn't want to give up everything to get him, but I do see our starting rotation as a more pressing problem than SS. If the A's would take Murton and Marshall/Gallagher would you make the trade? What does everyone think it will take?

I have to think he's an upgrade over Marquis or Dempster.

 

Frankly, I don't think we match up that well with them at all. Assuming Murton, EPatt, Gallagher are gone for Roberts, our only real trading chip is Pie. The A's have a gaggle of OFs that are better than him. They should be looking to acquire infield and pitching. Marshall is a textbook non-saber guy.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Am I (and badnews) the only one not sold on Blanton?

Define "sold"

[nilodnayr]

Am I (and badnews) the only one not sold on Blanton?

Define "sold"

 

not wanting to acquire him for anywhere near the pricetag

[nilodnayr]

Am I (and badnews) the only one not sold on Blanton?

Define "sold"

 

not wanting to acquire him for anywhere near the pricetag

 

or also, don't think hes that much more than Jon Garland

[anabiono]

what?

 

garland and blanton are WAY better options than dempster and marquis

 

marquis needs to be the 5th man for this team to succeed...it isn't going to happen if he is our 4th

[rawaction]

Am I (and badnews) the only one not sold on Blanton?

Define "sold"

 

not wanting to acquire him for anywhere near the pricetag

 

or also, don't think hes that much more than Jon Garland

 

And Garland isn't that bad either. Of course, Blanton does K more, walk less, and get more GBs than Garland. It's a significant difference too.

[DenverCubs]

Am I (and badnews) the only one not sold on Blanton?

I'm not sold on him, and wouldn't want to give up everything to get him, but I do see our starting rotation as a more pressing problem than SS. If the A's would take Murton and Marshall/Gallagher would you make the trade? What does everyone think it will take?

I have to think he's an upgrade over Marquis or Dempster.

 

Frankly, I don't think we match up that well with them at all. Assuming Murton, EPatt, Gallagher are gone for Roberts, our only real trading chip is Pie. The A's have a gaggle of OFs that are better than him. They should be looking to acquire infield and pitching. Marshall is a textbook non-saber guy.

Good point, but I would rather see us pick up another 3rd stater than acquire Roberts to "strengthen the bench". Though I do dread seeing DeRosa replace an injury which makes us bring Fontenot in for any stretch of time.

[nilodnayr]

Am I (and badnews) the only one not sold on Blanton?

Define "sold"

 

not wanting to acquire him for anywhere near the pricetag

 

or also, don't think hes that much more than Jon Garland

 

And Garland isn't that bad either. Of course, Blanton does K more, walk less, and get more GBs than Garland. It's a significant difference too.

 

Well, I said that much more.

 

If you take a weighted average by IP and weight 2007 twice as much as 2006, here are their K, BB, and GB rates

 

Blanton 5.33 K/9, 1.90 BB/9, 45.84 GB%

Garland 4.41 K/9, 2.22 BB/9, 40.31 GB%

 

Maybe I just have an irrational hatred of pitchers that put that many balls in play, I don't know.

[rawaction]

 

Maybe I just have an irrational hatred of pitchers that put that many balls in play, I don't know.

 

Yeah, I'm like that too for the most part. k/9 less than 7 usually makes me cringe.

[TruffleShuffle]

i apparently have an irrational love for pitchers who are minimal injury risks and put up average or slightly above-average numbers outside of the strikeout column.

[Rob]

Theriot is easily the worst of our available options there (Cedeno and DeRosa being the others). If, for whatever reasons, Cedeno and DeRosa are not going to be given every single opportunity to take over the starting SS role, then we absolutely need to acquire a real SS.

 

If Lou is going to allow Cedeno and DeRosa a real chance to take over at SS, I feel just fine going into the season.

 

And as far as pitchers are concerned, the only way to go right now is Bartolo Colon. Two years, club option for a third, and incentives based on weight and innings pitched. He's got the upside, and he's not about to bankrupt our system of propects like Blanton or somebody would do.

[anabiono]

has there been any gossip at all in regards to colon and where he may end up?

[badnews]

I think we definitely need a new shortstop. Are the Pirates truly that attached to Jack Wilson? I'm surprised they wouldn't be interested in selling high on him.

[Wolverineman]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

[Yestheydo]

All right folks, the debate about Theriot vs. Cedeno vs. DeRosa vs. Greene vs. Santa Claus has sprawled across several threads. Please move the debate into this thread and keep off topic posts to a minimum.

Santa's fast, but is he a south paw? Has he been tested for PED?

 

"...laying a finger aside of his nose, and giving a nod, up the ladder he rose, to snag the line drive headed for the gap, and double the runner off second..."

 

Or something

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

has there been any gossip at all in regards to colon and where he may end up?

Somewhere with alot of good food.

[nilodnayr]

has there been any gossip at all in regards to colon and where he may end up?

Somewhere with alot of good food.

 

Bartolo, deep dish pizza. Deep dish pizza, Bartolo.

[BigbadB]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

 

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO.

 

Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D

[brinoch]

Works for me.

[Backtobanks]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

 

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO.

 

Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D

 

I totally agree with that deal, even if the Cubs don't make the Roberts deal. In fact, I would drop the Roberts' deal and send those players (Gallagher, Murton, Patterson) to the Pirates in this 3-way instead. SS is the position the Cubs most need to upgrade. It would be great to expand the deal to include Jason Michaels (maybe send Cleveland Marquis/Dempster or a young player), who can play all 3 OF positions and would be a RH bat off the bench.

 

How About:

Pirates get: Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, Theriot

Indians get: Bay, Dempster/Marquis

Cubs get: Peralta, Marte

 

 

Soriano LF

DeRosa 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Fukudome RF

Peralta SS

Soto C

Pie CF

 

Bench: Michaels, Cedeno, Ward, Blanco, ?????

=D> =D> =D>

[Rob]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

 

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO.

 

Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D

 

I totally agree with that deal, even if the Cubs don't make the Roberts deal. In fact, I would drop the Roberts' deal and send those players (Gallagher, Murton, Patterson) to the Pirates in this 3-way instead. SS is the position the Cubs most need to upgrade. It would be great to expand the deal to include Jason Michaels (maybe send Cleveland Marquis/Dempster or a young player), who can play all 3 OF positions and would be a RH bat off the bench.

 

How About:

Pirates get: Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, Theriot

Indians get: Bay, Dempster/Marquis

Cubs get: Peralta, Marte

 

 

Soriano LF

DeRosa 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Fukudome RF

Peralta SS

Soto C

Pie CF

 

Bench: Michaels, Cedeno, Ward, Blanco, ?????

=D> =D> =D>

 

Just a few things here...

 

1. Did you want Marte or Michaels? Cause you put Marte in the actual trade proposal instead. Cause depending on if that's Damaso Marte or Andy Marte, that could change things quite a bit.

 

2. Any way you want to cut it, the Pirates would not be getting enough for Bay.

 

3. DeRosa shouldn't be batting #2. If we have to go with a semi-typical lineup (i.e. Lee not batting 2nd), Fukudome is our best option there.

[Backtobanks]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

 

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO.

 

Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D

 

I totally agree with that deal, even if the Cubs don't make the Roberts deal. In fact, I would drop the Roberts' deal and send those players (Gallagher, Murton, Patterson) to the Pirates in this 3-way instead. SS is the position the Cubs most need to upgrade. It would be great to expand the deal to include Jason Michaels (maybe send Cleveland Marquis/Dempster or a young player), who can play all 3 OF positions and would be a RH bat off the bench.

 

How About:

Pirates get: Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, Theriot

Indians get: Bay, Dempster/Marquis

Cubs get: Peralta, Marte

 

 

Soriano LF

DeRosa 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Fukudome RF

Peralta SS

Soto C

Pie CF

 

Bench: Michaels, Cedeno, Ward, Blanco, ?????

=D> =D> =D>

 

Just a few things here...

 

1. Did you want Marte or Michaels? Cause you put Marte in the actual trade proposal instead. Cause depending on if that's Damaso Marte or Andy Marte, that could change things quite a bit.

 

2. Any way you want to cut it, the Pirates would not be getting enough for Bay.

 

3. DeRosa shouldn't be batting #2. If we have to go with a semi-typical lineup (i.e. Lee not batting 2nd), Fukudome is our best option there.

 

Damaso Marte. Fine, we'll put Fukudome 2nd, Peralta 5th, DeRosa 6th. As for the Pirates not getting enough for Bay, throw in Veal/Pignatello or tweak it however we need to tweak it to get it done. I still like this deal better than the Roberts deal.

[SweetZombieJesus]

We need to keep Theriot as long as possible. Just for my ability to make fun of my friend who dropped his first major league HR with a glove Will Ohman said during BP was the biggest glove he ever saw in his life.