Seattle Newspaper: Cubs possibly interested in Bedard

[JeffH]

IF we can get Bedard without giving up Pie or Hill i'm all for it. Think they would bite on Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, and a 4th?

 

Who is the 4th?

 

Young, healthy Mickey Mantle.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How bad off is Baltimore's 40 man that they can afford to take on 10+ more guys in exchange for Tejada, Bedard, and Roberts?

[UMFan83]

IF we can get Bedard without giving up Pie or Hill i'm all for it. Think they would bite on Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, and a 4th?

 

They can have Felix Patterson as far as I'm concerned. He needs to be traded before teams start figuring out that he's lost against major league pitching. He's supposed to be this burner on the paths and he steals bases at like a 55% clip. I don't think he's got much of a baseball IQ and I'm not keeping him around solely for defensive purposes.

 

Felix Pie first 177 AB:

.215/.270/.333

 

Alex Rodriguez first 184 AB:

.223/.270/.348

 

Boy, I bet the Mariners are glad that they didn't give up and trade him away after the first 184 AB.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd give up Pie to help get Bedard, but not Hill or Marmol. Baltimore seems to put value in sheer quantity of prospects (re: the Trachsel and Tejada trades), so maybe we can match up with them after all?

 

If Murton, Marshall and Cedeno was enough for Roberts, then the Cubs add Pie, Gallagher and someone like Eric Patterson to bring in Bedard? I think the latter three together are perfectly competitive with what the Reds are supposedly offering for him.

 

The idea of a front four of Zambrano, Bedard, Lilly and Hill makes me drool.

 

Just a gut call, but I really don't want 3 lefties in the rotation.

 

Neither do the Cubs. I have no clue why, but that's why we won't get Bedard without giving up Hill, which would be dumb.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd give up Pie to help get Bedard, but not Hill or Marmol. Baltimore seems to put value in sheer quantity of prospects (re: the Trachsel and Tejada trades), so maybe we can match up with them after all?

 

If Murton, Marshall and Cedeno was enough for Roberts, then the Cubs add Pie, Gallagher and someone like Eric Patterson to bring in Bedard? I think the latter three together are perfectly competitive with what the Reds are supposedly offering for him.

 

The idea of a front four of Zambrano, Bedard, Lilly and Hill makes me drool.

 

Just a gut call, but I really don't want 3 lefties in the rotation. I'd rather have the Cubs pursue Blanton - he'd be under team control for 3 seasons.

 

but three righties is OK?

 

2 righties, 2 lefties, one guy who throws with his foot.

[SouthSideRyan]

IF we can get Bedard without giving up Pie or Hill i'm all for it. Think they would bite on Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, and a 4th?

 

They can have Felix Patterson as far as I'm concerned. He needs to be traded before teams start figuring out that he's lost against major league pitching. He's supposed to be this burner on the paths and he steals bases at like a 55% clip. I don't think he's got much of a baseball IQ and I'm not keeping him around solely for defensive purposes.

 

Felix Pie first 177 AB:

.215/.270/.333

 

Alex Rodriguez first 184 AB:

.223/.270/.348

 

Boy, I bet the Mariners are glad that they didn't give up and trade him away after the first 184 AB.

 

But did the Mariners have a hispanic(sort of) SS prospect fail to meet expectations in the years prior???

 

HUH??

 

It's a great idea to temper enthusiasm on prospects, but so many people take this to the extreme. Every guy who puts up good numbers in the minors gets "Dubois LOL!!" Every guy who's fast with some power gets "Corey with a K!!! LOL!!!!" Every SP prospect who doesn't dazzle from day one gets "The great Juan Cruz HAHAHA" Every top prospect gets "HEE STRIKE OUT!!!!"

[CubColtPacer]

How bad off is Baltimore's 40 man that they can afford to take on 10+ more guys in exchange for Tejada, Bedard, and Roberts?

 

Let's just say this. After they traded Tejada, they only had to remove 1 guy to make room. When talking on Oriole Hangout about who the extra players they might have to remove from the 40 man roster in order to account for the talent coming back for Bedard and Roberts, there were a few players listed. Only 1 of the players listed were there multiple posts about really hating to lose this player off of the 40 man. That player: Freddie Bynum. Any questions?

[CUBZ99]

IF we can get Bedard without giving up Pie or Hill i'm all for it. Think they would bite on Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, and a 4th?

 

They can have Felix Patterson as far as I'm concerned. He needs to be traded before teams start figuring out that he's lost against major league pitching. He's supposed to be this burner on the paths and he steals bases at like a 55% clip. I don't think he's got much of a baseball IQ and I'm not keeping him around solely for defensive purposes.

 

Felix Pie first 177 AB:

.215/.270/.333

 

Alex Rodriguez first 184 AB:

.223/.270/.348

 

Boy, I bet the Mariners are glad that they didn't give up and trade him away after the first 184 AB.

 

But did the Mariners have a hispanic(sort of) SS prospect fail to meet expectations in the years prior???

 

HUH??

 

It's a great idea to temper enthusiasm on prospects, but so many people take this to the extreme. Every guy who puts up good numbers in the minors gets "Dubois LOL!!" Every guy who's fast with some power gets "Corey with a K!!! LOL!!!!" Every SP prospect who doesn't dazzle from day one gets "The great Juan Cruz HAHAHA" Every top prospect gets "HEE STRIKE OUT!!!!"

 

I agree, give Pie some time. He has been successful at every level he has played at so far and is still very young.

[jmajew]

IF we can get Bedard without giving up Pie or Hill i'm all for it. Think they would bite on Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, and a 4th?

 

Who is the 4th?

 

I would think it would take Colvin or Vitters. But hopefully someone like E-Pat.

[nilodnayr]

How bad off is Baltimore's 40 man that they can afford to take on 10+ more guys in exchange for Tejada, Bedard, and Roberts?

 

Including what they received for Tejada, their 40 man is completely full. Surprisingly, there aren't a ton of guys they can get rid of. Here's what I would guess.

 

Fernando Cabrera

Fredy Deza

Jim Johnson

Jon Leicester

Bob McCrory

Brandon Fahey

Jeff Fiorentino

Freddie Bynum

 

Bierd and Aquino were just acquired so I didn't include them, but I guess they could be cut as well.

 

I think their 40 man roster issues are going to take a bigger importance than many think. They are either going to be looking for guys who don't need to be on the 40 man, quality over quantity, or getting rid of some of their waste of space vets like Redman, Payton, Huff, Mora etc.

Edited December 17, 2007 by nilodnayr

[Tyrant]

I'd be OK sending Pie, Marmol and Marshall to the O's for Bedard.

 

Sign Mike Cameron to play center. Should be reasonable enough in terms of cost. He'd play great defense and provide a little pop from center -- plus, he'd no longer be able to terrorize Rich Hill.

[nilodnayr]

IF we can get Bedard without giving up Pie or Hill i'm all for it. Think they would bite on Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, and a 4th?

 

Who is the 4th?

 

I would think it would take Colvin or Vitters. But hopefully someone like E-Pat.

 

It would take a hell of a lot more than that. And Vitters can't be traded.

[JeffH]

I'd be OK sending Pie, Marmol and Marshall to the O's for Bedard.

 

Sign Mike Cameron to play center. Should be reasonable enough in terms of cost. He'd play great defense and provide a little pop from center -- plus, he'd no longer be able to terrorize Rich Hill.

 

Say no to Cameron. Don't want to relinquish the draft choice.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd be OK sending Pie, Marmol and Marshall to the O's for Bedard.

 

Sign Mike Cameron to play center. Should be reasonable enough in terms of cost. He'd play great defense and provide a little pop from center -- plus, he'd no longer be able to terrorize Rich Hill.

 

I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games? I don't think it's likely they put Fukudome there for the start and then move him back.

[rawaction]

I'd be OK sending Pie, Marmol and Marshall to the O's for Bedard.

 

Sign Mike Cameron to play center. Should be reasonable enough in terms of cost. He'd play great defense and provide a little pop from center -- plus, he'd no longer be able to terrorize Rich Hill.

 

I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games? I don't think it's likely they put Fukudome there for the start and then move him back.

 

Even with Pie, Marmol, Marshall (which is a decent deal), that's not enough if the Reds are offering Bailey and Hamilton as has been rumored.

[nilodnayr]

Lofton would be just fine...AND he wouldn't have to be traded before the deadline to a playoff team because he'll already be playing on a playoff bound team!!!

[WolvCub 17]

Personally, I like the following situation

1. Trade Gallagher, Veal, Pie, E-Patt, Cedeno, and Wuertz to the Orioles for Bedard and Roberts

2. Sign Mike Cameron to a two year 12 million Deal

 

Lineup:

1. Fuld - CF (First 25 games)

2. Roberts - 2b

3. Lee - 1b

4. Soriano - LF

5. Ramirez - 3b

6. Fukudome - RF

7. Soto - C

8. Theriot - ss

9. Bedard, Z, Lilly, Marquis, Hill

 

Lineup with Cameron

1. Soriano - LF

2. Roberts - 2b

3. Lee - 1b

4. Fukudome - RF

5. Ramirez - 3b

6. Cameron - CF

7. Soto - C

8. Theriot - ss

9. Bedard, Z, Lilly, Marquis, Hill

[Tyrant]

 

I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games?

 

The Untouchable Sam Fuld?

 

I hear his poop is considered currency in Argentina.

[UMFan83]

IF we can get Bedard without giving up Pie or Hill i'm all for it. Think they would bite on Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, and a 4th?

 

They can have Felix Patterson as far as I'm concerned. He needs to be traded before teams start figuring out that he's lost against major league pitching. He's supposed to be this burner on the paths and he steals bases at like a 55% clip. I don't think he's got much of a baseball IQ and I'm not keeping him around solely for defensive purposes.

 

Felix Pie first 177 AB:

.215/.270/.333

 

Alex Rodriguez first 184 AB:

.223/.270/.348

 

Boy, I bet the Mariners are glad that they didn't give up and trade him away after the first 184 AB.

 

But did the Mariners have a hispanic(sort of) SS prospect fail to meet expectations in the years prior???

 

HUH??

 

It's a great idea to temper enthusiasm on prospects, but so many people take this to the extreme. Every guy who puts up good numbers in the minors gets "Dubois LOL!!" Every guy who's fast with some power gets "Corey with a K!!! LOL!!!!" Every SP prospect who doesn't dazzle from day one gets "The great Juan Cruz HAHAHA" Every top prospect gets "HEE STRIKE OUT!!!!"

 

Well thats half of the crowd.

 

The other half is saying Pie and Colvin for Santana? NO WAY!!! Why give up Kenny Lofton and Tony Gwynn for a 29 year old pitcher?

[SouthSideRyan]

Personally, I like the following situation

1. Trade Gallagher, Veal, Pie, E-Patt, Cedeno, and Wuertz to the Orioles for Bedard and Roberts

 

The Os personally would not like that situation.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games?

 

The Untouchable Sam Fuld?

 

I hear his poop is considered currency in Argentina.

 

That doesn't sound all that intriguing to me (the Fuld in CF for 25 games thing, not the poop money part).

[Tyrant]

 

I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games?

 

The Untouchable Sam Fuld?

 

I hear his poop is considered currency in Argentina.

 

That doesn't sound all that intriguing to me (the Fuld in CF for 25 games thing, not the poop money part).

 

Yeah, I'm not eager to see the Sam Fuld Experience either. Just wanted to make that reference.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games?

 

The Untouchable Sam Fuld?

 

I hear his poop is considered currency in Argentina.

 

That doesn't sound all that intriguing to me (the Fuld in CF for 25 games thing, not the poop money part).

 

That part sounds VERY intriguing.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Looking at FA CF possibilities, there's Lofton, you could get a RH platoon partner for Pagan/Fuld in somebody like Brady Clark or Nook Logan or Luis Terrero or Alex Escobar. Wilkerson's a FA too.

[Clem Fandango]

Does everyone ignore Bedard's injury history based on his one dominating year where he was also injured? You know, Rich Hill was 27 this year, and Bedard was 27 in 2006 (his first non-injured year and, also, his only non-injured year in his 4 full year career) and their numbers weren't too far off. (insert "Bedard is in a harder division" counter defense here)

 

I'd be too wary of giving up too much for a guy who has only been able to stay healthy for one year this far in his career when we could be sitting on someone who has the potential to put up similar numbers. I'm not saying Bedard wouldn't be a good addition, but giving up so much for him just seems like a big mistake. And since they won't expect anything but the best for him, meaning Hill or Pie, I say stay away.

 

I'm not a huge fan of Blanton, but I don't think he'd cost nearly as much as Bedard, and I personally would rather see Z-Lilly-Hill-Blanton-Marquis/Dempster/Whoever other than Z-Bedard-Lilly-Marquis-Dempster/whoever (and yes, I'm aware of Blanton's home/road splits). But that's just me