Fukudome Signs with Cubs for 4 years (MLB.com: $48 M)

[SouthSideRyan]

We're an average shortstop away from being the best team in the league.

woah, lets not get ahead of ourselves.

 

 

That's not too far fetched. If the Cubs managed to get Roberts and trade for a decent SS (Khalil Greene, maybe?), I think they would be the best team in the NL.

 

Of course, those things would have to happen, but only one of them would make the Cubs the best team in the Central. Of course, that's not saying much.

 

Right now I think you are fooling yourself saying that the Cubs are the best team in the NL central. The Brewers and Cubs are still neck and neck. This is still a weak division so I think it takes more than an average SS to move from tied for best team in the central to best team in the NL.

 

He said one of a decent SS or Roberts would make us the best in the Central, which implies that the Cubs and Brew are neck and neck right now.

 

And why 2 Ns on BTF?

[Guest]

Come on guys, the night is still young. Let's turn this thread into this year's Soriano signing thread.

[questionmarkgrace]

I also think that we need pitching. Dempster is a #5 at best, Marquis is also a #5 because he is so inconsistent but has the 'stuff' to be better. And Hill, while already enshrined by some on this board, I'm not so sure he is much more than a #3/4 at best. A curve ball pitcher who only has an 88-90 mph fast ball, along with a very mediocre change to compliment it; arent historically treated well by major league hitters. Add to that that his occasional control problems with runners on and his tendency to give up the long ball. I do think he will have a decent career a la Al Lieter but I'd still like to sell high in a trade while his value is at its peak.

 

I'm not sure anyone agrees with me though.

[VanceJergins]

Do you think Sullivan is even the slightest bit embarrassed by the contrast in stories between the Trib and the Herald?

 

From the Tribune: Cubs general manager Jim Hendry was not available for comment to confirm the deal...

 

From the Daily Herald: "He's a Cub, he's a Cub," said Hendry...

 

Damm, that's awful.

 

Good job, Bruce!

 

AHAHAHA!!!! Major pwnage by Bruce.

[Hosak8]

I believe that in Japan the surname is first and the given name is second so Kosuke is his family name.

 

Kosuke is his given name, Fukudome is his family name. He's likely to wear Kosuke on his jersey for the aforementioned reasons.

 

You have it backwards. Kosuke is his surname. Fukudome is his given name.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_name

[Roast]

Do you think Sullivan is even the slightest bit embarrassed by the contrast in stories between the Trib and the Herald?

 

From the Tribune: Cubs general manager Jim Hendry was not available for comment to confirm the deal...

 

From the Daily Herald: "He's a Cub, he's a Cub," said Hendry...

 

Damm, that's awful.

 

Good job, Bruce!

 

Yikes - If I learned anything in Intro To Journalism (actually taught by someone who is a sportswriter for the daily herald) it's that things like this are mortal sins and make your paper look dumb.

[BCVM22]

You have it backwards. Kosuke is his surname. Fukudome is his given name.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_name

 

Thank you, I am aware of the Eastern convention of writing full names. I am, however, 100% confident that Kosuke is his given name and Fukudome is his surname. Every scouting report and media story has written it "Kosuke Fukudome," many of those stories written by people intimately familiar with the Japanese game. Furthermore, here is Team Japan's roster from the World Baseball Classic. He's listed as "Kosuke Fukudome" on that roster, elsewhere on which Ichiro Suzuki and Daisuke Matsuzaka, among others, have their names listed the same (Western; given name, surname) way.

 

He intends to wear KOSUKE on his Cubs jersey on the advice of former teammate Alex Ochoa, who told him FUKUDOME just might not translate well. That anecdote is cited in this article,, the source being a Baseball Prospectus interview with Ochoa.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Do you think Sullivan is even the slightest bit embarrassed by the contrast in stories between the Trib and the Herald?

 

From the Tribune: Cubs general manager Jim Hendry was not available for comment to confirm the deal...

 

From the Daily Herald: "He's a Cub, he's a Cub," said Hendry...

 

Damm, that's awful.

 

Good job, Bruce!

 

Yikes - If I learned anything in Intro To Journalism (actually taught by someone who is a sportswriter for the daily herald) it's that things like this are mortal sins and make your paper look dumb.

 

So Sullivan was either too lazy to get a quote or Hendry blew him off (or he actually couldnt get ahold of Jim, but that's less fun, haha)

[Hosak8]

You have it backwards. Kosuke is his surname. Fukudome is his given name.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_name

 

Thank you, I am aware of the Eastern convention of writing full names. I am, however, 100% confident that Kosuke is his given name and Fukudome is his surname. Every scouting report and media story has written it "Kosuke Fukudome," many of those stories written by people intimately familiar with the Japanese game. Furthermore, here is Team Japan's roster from the World Baseball Classic. He's listed as "Kosuke Fukudome" on that roster, elsewhere on which Ichiro Suzuki and Daisuke Matsuzaka, among others, have their names listed the same (Western; given name, surname) way.

 

Not sure about Dice-K, but Ichiro's name is also listed surname, given name, hence the reason he wears Ichiro on his back.

[BCVM22]

Not sure about Dice-K, but Ichiro's name is also listed surname, given name, hence the reason he wears Ichiro on his back.

 

Ichiro is his given name, Suzuki is his surname. He started wearing ICHIRO on his jersey in 1994 on a suggestion from his manager with Orix (NPB) at the time as a means of making himself stand out within his team and providing a marketable icon for the franchise. He brought this over with him when he came to Seattle.

 

"It was during the 1994 season that he began to use his given name, "Ichiro" instead of his family name, "Suzuki" on the back of his uniform. Suzuki is the second most common family name in Japan, and his manager introduced the idea as a publicity stunt to help create a new image for what had been a relatively weak team, as well as a way to distinguish their rising star. Initially, Ichiro disliked the practice and was embarrassed by it; "Ichiro" was a household name by the end of the season and he was flooded with endorsement offers."

[Mephistopheles]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f189/kctigers23/FukudomeCubs.jpg

 

I'll buy that.

[imb]

Not sure about Dice-K, but Ichiro's name is also listed surname, given name, hence the reason he wears Ichiro on his back.

 

Ichiro is his given name, Suzuki is his surname. He started wearing ICHIRO on his jersey in 1994 on a suggestion from his manager with Orix (NPB) at the time as a means of making himself stand out within his team and providing a marketable icon for the franchise. He brought this over with him when he came to Seattle.

 

"It was during the 1994 season that he began to use his given name, "Ichiro" instead of his family name, "Suzuki" on the back of his uniform. Suzuki is the second most common family name in Japan, and his manager introduced the idea as a publicity stunt to help create a new image for what had been a relatively weak team, as well as a way to distinguish their rising star. Initially, Ichiro disliked the practice and was embarrassed by it; "Ichiro" was a household name by the end of the season and he was flooded with endorsement offers."

 

where did you pull that from? wikipedia? i wrote my entire thesis about ichiro and i can recite his life story from memory.

 

IN JAPANESE.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Only about the third Fukudome story I've written today:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=93689

 

The disturbing thing I read in that quote is that, assuming the Cubs do get Roberts, Hendry and Piniella STILL think Soriano should leadoff. Dumb, dumb, dumb. This makes infinitely more sense:

 

Roberts, Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Fukudome, Soto, then others.

[BCVM22]

where did you pull that from? wikipedia?

 

Yes. Yes, I did. I saw no problem with quoting his article for purposes of the discussion, such as it is. Was I incorrect?

[Guest]

Not sure about Dice-K, but Ichiro's name is also listed surname, given name, hence the reason he wears Ichiro on his back.

 

Ichiro is his given name, Suzuki is his surname. He started wearing ICHIRO on his jersey in 1994 on a suggestion from his manager with Orix (NPB) at the time as a means of making himself stand out within his team and providing a marketable icon for the franchise. He brought this over with him when he came to Seattle.

 

"It was during the 1994 season that he began to use his given name, "Ichiro" instead of his family name, "Suzuki" on the back of his uniform. Suzuki is the second most common family name in Japan, and his manager introduced the idea as a publicity stunt to help create a new image for what had been a relatively weak team, as well as a way to distinguish their rising star. Initially, Ichiro disliked the practice and was embarrassed by it; "Ichiro" was a household name by the end of the season and he was flooded with endorsement offers."

 

There were also 3 other Suzukis on his first team.

[Butterscup1679666578]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f189/kctigers23/FukudomeCubs.jpg

 

I'll buy that.

 

That's tight.

[Hosak8]

Not sure about Dice-K, but Ichiro's name is also listed surname, given name, hence the reason he wears Ichiro on his back.

 

Ichiro is his given name, Suzuki is his surname. He started wearing ICHIRO on his jersey in 1994 on a suggestion from his manager with Orix (NPB) at the time as a means of making himself stand out within his team and providing a marketable icon for the franchise. He brought this over with him when he came to Seattle.

 

"It was during the 1994 season that he began to use his given name, "Ichiro" instead of his family name, "Suzuki" on the back of his uniform. Suzuki is the second most common family name in Japan, and his manager introduced the idea as a publicity stunt to help create a new image for what had been a relatively weak team, as well as a way to distinguish their rising star. Initially, Ichiro disliked the practice and was embarrassed by it; "Ichiro" was a household name by the end of the season and he was flooded with endorsement offers."

 

where did you pull that from? wikipedia? i wrote my entire thesis about ichiro and i can recite his life story from memory.

 

IN JAPANESE.

 

Showoff.

[javy knows my name]

We're an average shortstop away from being the best team in the league.

woah, lets not get ahead of ourselves.

 

 

That's not too far fetched. If the Cubs managed to get Roberts and trade for a decent SS (Khalil Greene, maybe?), I think they would be the best team in the NL.

 

Of course, those things would have to happen, but only one of them would make the Cubs the best team in the Central. Of course, that's not saying much.

 

Brandon Roberts is meaningless. The Cubs would improve of course, but not enough to justify trading anyone, even felix pie.

 

Yes, I just advocated NOT trading Pie.

 

 

Who is this Brandon Roberts of whom you speak?

 

But seriously, while Roberts is only a marginal upgrade from DeRosa, he does bring a little bit more to the table , IMO. It wouldn't hurt my feelings in the least if Hendry forgets about Brain Roberts, but I foresee Jimbo going out and getting him, so I am trying to accept it.

 

Clearly the biggest problem is SS. If I were Hendry, I would offer Prior arbitration, then package him with Murton and others for Khalil Greene. I think Greene would be a fantastic upgrade.

 

*Sigh*

 

 

Brian. I've typed out Brandon Roberts 1,000 times the last week or so since the rumors started, I've caught it every time but this one. Brandon Roberts is a guy I played ball with in school.

Please excuse our ignorance, Meph-san.

[Mephistopheles]

fukudome has fukudome on his japanese jerseys

[javy knows my name]

You have it backwards. Kosuke is his surname. Fukudome is his given name.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_name

 

Thank you, I am aware of the Eastern convention of writing full names. I am, however, 100% confident that Kosuke is his given name and Fukudome is his surname. Every scouting report and media story has written it "Kosuke Fukudome," many of those stories written by people intimately familiar with the Japanese game. Furthermore, here is Team Japan's roster from the World Baseball Classic. He's listed as "Kosuke Fukudome" on that roster, elsewhere on which Ichiro Suzuki and Daisuke Matsuzaka, among others, have their names listed the same (Western; given name, surname) way.

 

He intends to wear KOSUKE on his Cubs jersey on the advice of former teammate Alex Ochoa, who told him FUKUDOME just might not translate well. That anecdote is cited in this article,, the source being a Baseball Prospectus interview with Ochoa.

YES! In Japan, your surname is given before your given name!! You are OH SO WRONG!!!

Kosuke is his family name, while Fukudome is his given name! Wow it's a good thing you are so versed in the Japanese language!

[BCVM22]

YES! In Japan, your surname is given before your given name!! You are OH SO WRONG!!!

Kosuke is his family name, while Fukudome is his given name! Wow it's a good thing you are so versed in the Japanese language!

 

...I beg your pardon?

[javy knows my name]

I read this again and I'm still right. I knew this in 8th grade. Your arguments are hilarious!!

[Mephistopheles]

Fukudome is his family name.

 

Ichiro Suzuki's father's name is Nobuyuki Suzuki. When they write it, they write Fukudome Kosuke

[BCVM22]

I read this again and I'm still right. I knew this in 8th grade. Your arguments are hilarious!!

 

...

 

Very well. Feel more than free to believe whatever you like. At the risk of sounding like Meph (always dangerous; no offense Meph), I am beyond confident that I am in fact 100% correct on this particular non-matter.

[Mephistopheles]

I read this again and I'm still right. I knew this in 8th grade. Your arguments are hilarious!!

 

...

 

Very well. Feel more than free to believe whatever you like. At the risk of sounding like Meph (always dangerous; no offense Meph), am I more than confident that I am in fact 100% correct on this particular non-matter.

 

Meph already ended the debate though.