Levine: Prior, Hudson, Swisher

[CuseCubFan69]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

 

That type of surgery is different for Prior because he's Mark Prior? Doesn't it take a year?

 

Thats absurd. What an ignorant statement.

 

Yes, what you just wrote is, I agree.

[RynoRules]

Didn't see this posted anywhere else, but perhaps I missed it:

 

Levine on 1000 says they have decided to non-tender Prior and he will become a FA.

[Sammy Sofa]

And so it ends but with a whimper.

 

Sad, sad day.

[UMFan83]

Very sad indeed. At least this year we proved we can make the playoffs without his contributions.

[Burtonbell]

Now selling:

 

1 used (worn once) Mark Prior #22 autographed (from the 04 Convention) home jersey.

1 Used ( a lot) Mark Prior #22 blue and red jersey (fashion)

 

LOL!

 

Sad end of an era.

[Keener98]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

 

That type of surgery is different for Prior because he's Mark Prior? Doesn't it take a year?

 

Thats absurd. What an ignorant statement.

 

Yes, what you just wrote is, I agree.

 

Yea that makes sense. How can you say because its Prior it will take a year? Prior has never had surgery until now, so you have no clue at all what his recovering ability is like. Im sure you will point at how long it took Prior to come back from other injuries and still be horrible. Well when his arm was still hurt he wasnt actually recovering, but still trying to pitch. Now that he has had his injury fixed once and for all, how in the hell can you think you know what his recovery time is? Let me guess its the steroids again huh.

[Sammy Sofa]

Now selling:

 

1 used (worn once) Mark Prior #22 autographed (from the 04 Convention) home jersey.

1 Used ( a lot) Mark Prior #22 blue and red jersey (fashion)

 

LOL!

 

Sad end of an era.

 

Why sell them? I'm still gonna wear my Prior jersey proudly.

[Banedon]

Correct me if I'm wrong. If they don't tender an offer, and he becomes a FA, the Cubs aren't allowed to make him an offer after that, correct?

[NCCubFan]

Didn't see this posted anywhere else, but perhaps I missed it:

 

Levine on 1000 says they have decided to non-tender Prior and he will become a FA.

I DID see it posted elsewhere. One page back by you, to be specific. :D

[CuseCubFan69]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

 

That type of surgery is different for Prior because he's Mark Prior? Doesn't it take a year?

 

Thats absurd. What an ignorant statement.

 

Yes, what you just wrote is, I agree.

 

Yea that makes sense. How can you say because its Prior it will take a year? Prior has never had surgery until now, so you have no clue at all what his recovering ability is like. Im sure you will point at how long it took Prior to come back from other injuries and still be horrible. Well when his arm was still hurt he wasnt actually recovering, but still trying to pitch. Now that he has had his injury fixed once and for all, how in the hell can you think you know what his recovery time is? Let me guess its the steroids again huh.

 

If you could read the thread you'd see I was saying to the poster "just because it's Prior doesn't mean he'll come back any earlier than other players". Notice the question mark at the end of the sentence? And the steroids should actually help the recovery time!

[Burtonbell]

Now selling:

 

1 used (worn once) Mark Prior #22 autographed (from the 04 Convention) home jersey.

1 Used ( a lot) Mark Prior #22 blue and red jersey (fashion)

 

LOL!

 

Sad end of an era.

 

Why sell them? I'm still gonna wear my Prior jersey proudly.

 

 

I was joking, but I dont know if I can wear them so soon. So many mixed memories, what could have been, what was...

Its like losing a girlfriend you kinda liked, but she put out so you thought she was the greatest, but then you found out there were much better chicks out there who are far superior in bed.

[NCCubFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong. If they don't tender an offer, and he becomes a FA, the Cubs aren't allowed to make him an offer after that, correct?

Yes, they can. That's what happened a few years ago with Barrett. However, for that to happen Prior would have to be willing to return to the Cubs of his own free choice, which sounds slightly less likely than me winning the lottery jackpot. The Cubs have lost their exclusive rights (unless they change their minds in about the next 8 hours and tender him).

[UMFan83]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

 

That type of surgery is different for Prior because he's Mark Prior? Doesn't it take a year?

 

Thats absurd. What an ignorant statement.

 

Yes, what you just wrote is, I agree.

 

Yea that makes sense. How can you say because its Prior it will take a year? Prior has never had surgery until now, so you have no clue at all what his recovering ability is like. Im sure you will point at how long it took Prior to come back from other injuries and still be horrible. Well when his arm was still hurt he wasnt actually recovering, but still trying to pitch. Now that he has had his injury fixed once and for all, how in the hell can you think you know what his recovery time is? Let me guess its the steroids again huh.

 

I guess we'll find out tomorrow won't we?

[JeffH]

Correct me if I'm wrong. If they don't tender an offer, and he becomes a FA, the Cubs aren't allowed to make him an offer after that, correct?

 

Incorrect.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What a remarkably inefficient thing to do.

[Sammy Sofa]

Now selling:

 

1 used (worn once) Mark Prior #22 autographed (from the 04 Convention) home jersey.

1 Used ( a lot) Mark Prior #22 blue and red jersey (fashion)

 

LOL!

 

Sad end of an era.

 

Why sell them? I'm still gonna wear my Prior jersey proudly.

 

 

I was joking, but I dont know if I can wear them so soon. So many mixed memories, what could have been, what was...

Its like losing a girlfriend you kinda liked, but she put out so you thought she was the greatest, but then you found out there were much better chicks out there who are far superior in bed.

 

Yeah, I hear that.

 

Man, this is depressing.

[Banedon]

Correct me if I'm wrong. If they don't tender an offer, and he becomes a FA, the Cubs aren't allowed to make him an offer after that, correct?

Yes, they can. That's what happened a few years ago with Barrett. However, for that to happen Prior would have to be willing to return to the Cubs of his own free choice, which sounds slightly less likely than me winning the lottery jackpot. The Cubs have lost their exclusive rights (unless they change their minds in about the next 8 hours and tender him).

 

Thanks...I'm glad I asked. Prior may find that the market for his services isn't what he thought.

[brinoch]

What a remarkably inefficient thing to do.

 

I agree. I'd tender him an offer with the intention of taking Prior to arbitration. That way, I'd buy myself a couple of months time to work out a deal or make a decision on a trade. I would also have more than a month to evaluate his recovery from surgery.

[David]

Only way this makes any sense is if there is a really hard line limit on payroll for this year and Hendry has some deals on the table that would use up all of it. That's the only possible justification for not taking this gamble.

 

Oh well, good luck, Mark. Hopefully, you'll go to the AL.

[TBone]

Am I the only one that thinks that Hendry may have a bit more inside information on the situation, such as Prior may be unhappy enough with the Cubs that there is a very high probability that he won't re-sign after offering a year contract? I know there are a lot of HUGE Hendry fans here, but he's gotta know a lot more about the situation than most, if not all people on this board.

 

If that's the case, I see offering a contract for a year a very likely waste of money. Even if he's able to come back by June, will he still be the Mark Prior we all knew at his height? Will he even be servicable at the major league level? Keep in mind he'd like be making these starts when the pennant race is taking form. Will his confidence in his ability at that point be high enough to pitch effectively in clutch situations? If we could guarantee 10 solid starts, I'm down with the transaction, but we can't even guarantee a solid start.

 

I absolutely loved Prior and what he brought to the team, but I think a non-tender given what we think we know about his thoughts on the Cubs is probably the right move at this point.

[brinoch]

Well, if I'm the Yankees or Red Sox, I'm going to give him a call ASAP. You know, when there is a likelihood that a player will be non-tendered, his value is pretty limited. Why trade one of your players/prospects and pay a contract when you can probably get him for just a contract?

[CuseCubFan69]

Well, if I'm the Yankees or Red Sox, I'm going to give him a call ASAP. You know, when there is a likelihood that a player will be non-tendered, his value is pretty limited. Why trade one of your players/prospects and pay a contract when you can probably get him for just a contract?

 

Because you have no guarantee that he'll sign with your team while trading for him gives you the right to do as you please for 1 year. You just mentioned the Sox and Yanks, only one can get him.

[David]

And so ends an era...

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Most of us will miss you, Mark...

[brinoch]

Well, if I'm the Yankees or Red Sox, I'm going to give him a call ASAP. You know, when there is a likelihood that a player will be non-tendered, his value is pretty limited. Why trade one of your players/prospects and pay a contract when you can probably get him for just a contract?

 

Because you have no guarantee that he'll sign with your team while trading for him gives you the right to do as you please for 1 year. You just mentioned the Sox and Yanks, only one can get him.

 

Sure, but in the mean time, his value to the Cubs has gone down. Let's say you are Cashman and I am Epstein. We both want him. What are you going to give the Cubs for a guy who you know will likely be non-tendered? I'm not going to give up much at all because if he hits free agency, I can make a run at the guy.

 

Meanwhile, the Cubs get NOTHING for letting Mark Prior go. NOTHING AT ALL. Bad deal.

 

It's not like the Cubs never pay people to rehab. For a team which paid Ryan Dempster, Scott Williamson, and Wade Miller to rehab and Rusch to sit at home to non-tender a pitcher of Prior's potential is foolish. I don't care about how Prior feels. I don't care if he hates the Cubs. What I do care about is that he wants a big contract and I want to win the World Series. To get that big contract, he needs to pitch and pitch well. If he does pitch well, it'll certainly be better than what we saw from Wade Miller last year. Or Jason Marquis. Or Ryan Dempster. Or even Sean Marshall. Prior pitching well means that the Cubs have an additional above average pitcher in their rotation, and that'll get them closer to the World Series.

 

I let his coming free agency sort itself out after next season. Winning can salve a lot of wounds. And if the wounds are irrevocable, he walks. So what? There's an old saying: cross that bridge when you get to it (I'd also say that don't borrow trouble also applies).

 

Don't play the $3M game for nothing game with me, either. Seriously, that's crazy talk. The Cubs have plenty of money, and could certainly carry Prior's contract cost. It's not like they can't afford it.

[CubsWin]

If he is actually non-tendered today, and not resigned, this is a very sad day, indeed. You will be missed, Mark.

And so ends an era...

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Most of us will miss you, Mark...