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MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

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Yeah, that's why I said PGA & Co. I think both of them are involved in this. I got an interesting e-mail from Jason Churchill earlier though, he said the people that the Cubs are fed up with right now are the O's financial attorney and Mike Flanagan, not MacPhail.
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Yeah, that's why I said PGA & Co. I think both of them are involved in this. I got an interesting e-mail from Jason Churchill earlier though, he said the people that the Cubs are fed up with right now are the O's financial attorney and Mike Flanagan, not MacPhail.

 

Any speculation or reasoning as to why?

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There are mixed reports on whether the deal is dead or they're still talking. Personally, I think they're still talking. Signing Johnson adds to the roster problem of what to do with Murton. Cedeno is out of options and can't sub for ARam. Gallagher, Patterson, Veal, Ceda, and Hoffpaur are all back in the minors. Again, the Roberts' trade just makes too much sense for both teams not to find a way to complete it. Trading for Roberts automatically gives you DeRosa to back up 2B, 3B, LF, RF, and possibly SS. Johnson backs up all 3 OF positions. Fontenot or Cintron would be available to back up SS. Without the trade, Murton gets traded for nothing, Cedeno loses whatever trade value he had by sitting on the bench, and players like Patterson waste another year in the minors.
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There are mixed reports on whether the deal is dead or they're still talking. Personally, I think they're still talking. Signing Johnson adds to the roster problem of what to do with Murton. Cedeno is out of options and can't sub for ARam. Gallagher, Patterson, Veal, Ceda, and Hoffpaur are all back in the minors. Again, the Roberts' trade just makes too much sense for both teams not to find a way to complete it. Trading for Roberts automatically gives you DeRosa to back up 2B, 3B, LF, RF, and possibly SS. Johnson backs up all 3 OF positions. Fontenot or Cintron would be available to back up SS. Without the trade, Murton gets traded for nothing, Cedeno loses whatever trade value he had by sitting on the bench, and players like Patterson waste another year in the minors.

 

hey dude...do me a favor!

 

stop making sense!

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Can I just say this is my first time posting in this thread.

That's a shame. It's like a drug you can't quit even tough you keep telling yourself it's the last time.

 

I can stop anytime I want

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There are mixed reports on whether the deal is dead or they're still talking. Personally, I think they're still talking. Signing Johnson adds to the roster problem of what to do with Murton. Cedeno is out of options and can't sub for ARam. Gallagher, Patterson, Veal, Ceda, and Hoffpaur are all back in the minors. Again, the Roberts' trade just makes too much sense for both teams not to find a way to complete it. Trading for Roberts automatically gives you DeRosa to back up 2B, 3B, LF, RF, and possibly SS. Johnson backs up all 3 OF positions. Fontenot or Cintron would be available to back up SS. Without the trade, Murton gets traded for nothing, Cedeno loses whatever trade value he had by sitting on the bench, and players like Patterson waste another year in the minors.

 

hey dude...do me a favor!

 

stop making sense!

There isn't a lot there that makes sense. Why can't Cedeno sub for Aramis? How does the lack of a Roberts trade mean Murton gets traded for nothing? Cedeno isn't losing his trade value by making the team. Patterson will not be "wasting" another year in the minors -- he would be there with or without the trade. I have no idea what Gallagher, Patterson, Veal, Ceda, and Hoffpauir have to do with the roster "problem".

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There are mixed reports on whether the deal is dead or they're still talking. Personally, I think they're still talking. Signing Johnson adds to the roster problem of what to do with Murton. Cedeno is out of options and can't sub for ARam. Gallagher, Patterson, Veal, Ceda, and Hoffpaur are all back in the minors. Again, the Roberts' trade just makes too much sense for both teams not to find a way to complete it. Trading for Roberts automatically gives you DeRosa to back up 2B, 3B, LF, RF, and possibly SS. Johnson backs up all 3 OF positions. Fontenot or Cintron would be available to back up SS. Without the trade, Murton gets traded for nothing, Cedeno loses whatever trade value he had by sitting on the bench, and players like Patterson waste another year in the minors.

 

hey dude...do me a favor!

 

stop making sense!

There isn't a lot there that makes sense. Why can't Cedeno sub for Aramis? How does the lack of a Roberts trade mean Murton gets traded for nothing? Cedeno isn't losing his trade value by making the team. Patterson will not be "wasting" another year in the minors -- he would be there with or without the trade. I have no idea what Gallagher, Patterson, Veal, Ceda, and Hoffpauir have to do with the roster "problem".

 

To answer your points in order:

1. I suppose Cedeno could sub for ARam, but I don't think he's ever played 3B or even taken grounders at 3B.

2. It's pretty obvious that Murton won't be a Cub for long. Hendry even admitted that he promised he would try to trade him. Another stint in the minors only decreases his trade value.

3. Cedeno is out of options and he doesn't seem to be the type of player that is successful playing part time. Not getting regular ABs will probably hurt his ability to showcase his potential.

4. Patterson could have been a valuable piece of the trade package for Roberts. Patterson, like Murton and Cedeno, have very little to prove at AAA.

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Not to nit pick, but I was at Spring Training the last week and Cedeno played third several times. I think the Cubs are officially out on trying him in the OF, but you can now officially pencil him in to play 2b, ss, and 3b this year if needed.
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Can I just say this is my first time posting in this thread.

That's a shame. It's like a drug you can't quit even tough you keep telling yourself it's the last time.

 

I can stop anytime I want

I quit for two months one time just to prove I could, then I decided to start again because I obviously wasn't addicted.

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Not to nit pick, but I was at Spring Training the last week and Cedeno played third several times. I think the Cubs are officially out on trying him in the OF, but you can now officially pencil him in to play 2b, ss, and 3b this year if needed.

 

He played four games at 3B last year. I'm sure he could fill in there in a pinch. Defensively, they'd probably be better putting DeRosa at 3B during the games that Ramirez is out for injury/rest. Cedeno could take SS on those days, with Theriot or Fontenot playing 2B.

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To answer your points in order:

1. I suppose Cedeno could sub for ARam, but I don't think he's ever played 3B or even taken grounders at 3B.

2. It's pretty obvious that Murton won't be a Cub for long. Hendry even admitted that he promised he would try to trade him. Another stint in the minors only decreases his trade value.

3. Cedeno is out of options and he doesn't seem to be the type of player that is successful playing part time. Not getting regular ABs will probably hurt his ability to showcase his potential.

4. Patterson could have been a valuable piece of the trade package for Roberts. Patterson, like Murton and Cedeno, have very little to prove at AAA.

Ronny played a few times at 3B last season, and I believe he's been there this spring. Going to AAA doesn't automatically decrease a player's trade value. Patterson could still be a valuable trading chip for the exact reason you think Ronny can't be -- he'll be playing everyday at Iowa vs playing part time in Chicago.

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There are mixed reports on whether the deal is dead or they're still talking. Personally, I think they're still talking. Signing Johnson adds to the roster problem of what to do with Murton. Cedeno is out of options and can't sub for ARam. Gallagher, Patterson, Veal, Ceda, and Hoffpaur are all back in the minors. Again, the Roberts' trade just makes too much sense for both teams not to find a way to complete it. Trading for Roberts automatically gives you DeRosa to back up 2B, 3B, LF, RF, and possibly SS. Johnson backs up all 3 OF positions. Fontenot or Cintron would be available to back up SS. Without the trade, Murton gets traded for nothing, Cedeno loses whatever trade value he had by sitting on the bench, and players like Patterson waste another year in the minors.

 

hey dude...do me a favor!

 

stop making sense!

There isn't a lot there that makes sense. Why can't Cedeno sub for Aramis? How does the lack of a Roberts trade mean Murton gets traded for nothing? Cedeno isn't losing his trade value by making the team. Patterson will not be "wasting" another year in the minors -- he would be there with or without the trade. I have no idea what Gallagher, Patterson, Veal, Ceda, and Hoffpauir have to do with the roster "problem".

 

To answer your points in order:

1. I suppose Cedeno could sub for ARam, but I don't think he's ever played 3B or even taken grounders at 3B.

2. It's pretty obvious that Murton won't be a Cub for long. Hendry even admitted that he promised he would try to trade him. Another stint in the minors only decreases his trade value.

3. Cedeno is out of options and he doesn't seem to be the type of player that is successful playing part time. Not getting regular ABs will probably hurt his ability to showcase his potential.

4. Patterson could have been a valuable piece of the trade package for Roberts. Patterson, like Murton and Cedeno, have very little to prove at AAA.

 

Cedeno is playing 3b today so it may make it easier for Lou to use him there in the future if the need arises. I also believe he's played there in the past.

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I'm on my way out, but Phil Rogers is reporting that trade talks are dead, with quotes from MacPhail to that effect. D-E-A-D.

 

/in the hopes of reaching 300 pages before locking.

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