Cubs Top Prospect Lists (BA top 30, Sickels top 21, BP - 11)

[tspain]

Cubs Top 10 Prospects-or Top 20

 

Baseball America will soon be out with their Top 10, so we should do ours before they do theirs. Arizona Phil did his first, but here is my Top 10:

 

1. Soto

 

2. Colvin

 

3. Vitters

 

4. Ceda

 

5. Veal

 

6. Huseby

 

7. Donaldson

 

8. Thomas

 

9. Gallagher

 

10. Roquet

 

Next 10 would look like:

 

11. Petrick

 

12. Hart

 

13. Fuld

 

14. Maestri

 

15. Castillo

 

16. Atkins

 

17. Holliman

 

18. Hernandez

 

19. Cabrera

 

20. Burke

 

The next 10:

 

21. Samardzija

 

22. Pawalek

 

23. Reynolds

 

24. Rundle

 

25. Rhee

 

26. Muldowney

 

27. Patterson

 

28. Perez

 

29. Martinez

 

30. Fox

Edited November 16, 2007 by tspain

[TruffleShuffle]

what were AZPhil's top 10? I think I missed this.

[Guest]

what were AZPhil's top 10? I think I missed this.

 

http://mvn.com/milb-cubs/2007/10/08/az-phils-top-20-cubs-prospects/

 

1. Josh Donaldson, C

2. Jose Ceda, RHP

3. Tyler Colvin, OF

4. Geovany Soto, C

5. Eric Patterson, OF

6. Kevin Hart, RHP

7. Sean Gallagher, RHP

8. Sam Fuld, OF

9. Tony Thomas, 2B

10. Josh Vitters, 3B

11. Jake Fox, OF

12. Chris Huseby, RHP

13. Donald Veal, LHP

14. Mark Holliman, RHP

15. Rocky Roquet, RHP

16. Welington Castillo, C

17. Leon Johnson, OF

18. Robert Hernandez, RHP

19. Alberto Cabrera, RHP

20. Cliff Andersen, OF

 

By the by, BA supposedly comes out with their top 10 on Monday.

[TruffleShuffle]

boy i am pretty down on samardzija, moreso than most, and i'd definitely have him in my top 20

[Guest]

Gonna try to guess BA's top 10:

 

1. Vitters

2. Colvin

3. Soto

4. Gallagher

5. Donaldson

6. Veal

7. Ceda

8. Samardzija

9. Thomas

10. Burke

[jersey cubs fan]

Sam Fuld 8? Is he that much higher on Fuld than most or is the system that devoid of talent?

[Guest]

Sam Fuld 8? Is he that much higher on Fuld than most or is the system that devoid of talent?

 

Higher than most. He likes the Theriots and Fulds of the world.

[Outshined_One]

I'll have to mull my Top 10 over.

 

Samardzija is the biggest unknown, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of people with him in their Top 3 and a number of others with him outside the Top 20.

 

Personally, I fall into the former category. People have to put the hype and contract aside and realize that this was his first full season dedicated solely to baseball. It's ludicrous to expect the guy to come in, guns blazing, and shred the minor leagues despite his inexperience. However, there is a lot to like about him. Next season should give everyone a good picture of what his likely ceiling is.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sam Fuld 8? Is he that much higher on Fuld than most or is the system that devoid of talent?

 

Higher than most. He likes the Theriots and Fulds of the world.

 

Claims he could start for 6 teams in center. Looking at the numbers provided by CF on the bottom 6 teams (with the Cubs in 6th), maybe that's accurate, but it's hardly a ringing endorsement.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'll have to mull my Top 10 over.

 

Samardzija is the biggest unknown, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of people with him in their Top 3 and a number of others with him outside the Top 20.

 

Personally, I fall into the former category. People have to put the hype and contract aside and realize that this was his first full season dedicated solely to baseball. It's ludicrous to expect the guy to come in, guns blazing, and shred the minor leagues despite his inexperience. However, there is a lot to like about him. Next season should give everyone a good picture of what his likely ceiling is.

 

Without the hype and contract, I'm not sure what there is to like about him. Sure it was his first full season, but it's not like he looked great but wore down. He pretty much stunk from day 1. I didn't need him to shred anybody. But it would have been nice if he didn't stink.

[Outshined_One]

Without the hype and contract, I'm not sure what there is to like about him. Sure it was his first full season, but it's not like he looked great but wore down. He pretty much stunk from day 1. I didn't need him to shred anybody. But it would have been nice if he didn't stink.

 

Actually, he started out poorly, but promptly turned around and put up significantly better numbers in AA.

 

3-3, 6 GS, 3.41 ERA, 34.1 IP, 8 HR, 20/9 K/BB, .250 BAA

 

Based on those numbers, I wouldn't say he stank. Those are pretty good numbers for a 22 year old in AA.

[Guest]

Without the hype and contract, I'm not sure what there is to like about him. Sure it was his first full season, but it's not like he looked great but wore down. He pretty much stunk from day 1. I didn't need him to shred anybody. But it would have been nice if he didn't stink.

 

Actually, he started out poorly, but promptly turned around and put up significantly better numbers in AA.

 

3-3, 6 GS, 3.41 ERA, 34.1 IP, 8 HR, 20/9 K/BB, .250 BAA

 

Based on those numbers, I wouldn't say he stank. Those are pretty good numbers for a 22 year old in AA.

 

Sadly his GO-AO and HR numbers tanked at AA. 5.24 K/9 still not great. But yeah, I have him in my top 5.

[javy knows my name]

He needs to figure out how to strike people out at a clip which would be acceptable for a guy with a 98 mph fb. 5.24/9 ain't cuttin it.

[SouthSideRyan]

His AA #s would probably vault him into my top 10. A lot of it is just based on trusting the scouts though, which is probably dumb on my part.

[Guest]

He needs to figure out how to strike people out at a clip which would be acceptable for a guy with a 98 mph fb. 5.24/9 ain't cuttin it.

 

Or get more grounders - 1.59 GO-AO at high-A isn't that great for a groundball pitcher.

[javy knows my name]

He needs to figure out how to strike people out at a clip which would be acceptable for a guy with a 98 mph fb. 5.24/9 ain't cuttin it.

 

Or get more grounders - 1.59 GO-AO at high-A isn't that great for a groundball pitcher.

Didn't know he was necessarily a groundball pitcher. What kind of sink does he got on that fb? :shock:

Or, does he rely on a slider for groundballs?

[NCCubFan]

Raisin, your list actually skips from 15 to 17. I'm not sure if you got off track on your numbering or if you had someone on your list you forgot to type in.

[Guest]

Raisin, your list actually skips from 15 to 17. I'm not sure if you got off track on your numbering or if you had someone on your list you forgot to type in.

 

Tspain, you mean.

[NCCubFan]

Raisin, your list actually skips from 15 to 17. I'm not sure if you got off track on your numbering or if you had someone on your list you forgot to type in.

 

Tspain, you mean.

Oops, yes it was. I misread who started this thread (probably because this is about the only recent thread in this forum started by someody else).

[Guest]

He needs to figure out how to strike people out at a clip which would be acceptable for a guy with a 98 mph fb. 5.24/9 ain't cuttin it.

 

Or get more grounders - 1.59 GO-AO at high-A isn't that great for a groundball pitcher.

Didn't know he was necessarily a groundball pitcher. What kind of sink does he got on that fb? :shock:

Or, does he rely on a slider for groundballs?

 

He supposedly has real good sink on his 2-seamer.

 

But his GO rate slipped big time at AA to 1.05 and he gave up 8 HR (2.1 HR/9 [from 0.7 HR/9 at A+]).

[Mephistopheles]

His AA splits are too sample size dependent to get worried. We can throw them out. His GB% at all the other levels was over fifty percent. He's fine there....of course he can't strike guys out but he can get them to hit the ball on the ground, thank God for players like Neifi.

[Guest]

Hrm, that is true.

[Mephistopheles]

ill throw my hat in the ring

 

1. Soto

2. Patterson

3. Vitters

4. Colvin

5. Donaldson

6. Veal

7. Ceda

8. Huseby

9. Gallagher

10. Samardzija

 

BAs will probably go something like this:

 

1. Vitters

2. Soto

3. Colvin

4. Samardzija

5. Patterson

6. Donaldson

7. Gallagher

8. Veal

9. Huseby

10. Burke

[Guest]

Meph, I think you're wrong on BA re: EPatt. They sound down on him since he can't stick at 2B.

 

Here's mine. I know you guys couldn't wait.

 

1. Vitters

2. Soto

3. Colvin

4. Samardzija

5. Veal

6. Gallagher

7. Donaldson

8. Ceda

9. Huseby

10. Thomas

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why Ceda and Huseby over Hernandez?