ARod (probably) staying w/ Yankees

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Why do you deify this old timey racist? If bizarre to say the least.

Was he a jerk? More often than not.

Did he have a mental illness? Probably.

Was he a racist? Yes.

 

You sure showed me here.

 

So to qualify as someone's favorite ballplayer, that person must have the personality of Lou Gehrig?

 

There's a pretty wide gulf between the racist dirtbags of the world, like Cobb, and genuine good guys like Lou Gehrig.

[Guest]

If someone insulted my wife with vile statments, I'd beat the crap out of him. Whats the big deal?

If someone insulted my ex-wife with vile statments, I'd ... never mind.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand why some people are trying to pretend that Boras or ARod look like fools after this deal. ARod is getting his $300 million, give or take. Just because Boras threw out the $350 and didn't get it doesn't mean they lost or anything. Boras's client is getting an enormous contract, and that's his job. Whether this whole thing was planned all along, or whether it all blew up in Boras's face, the fact is his client got what is most likely the highest contract anybody could have reasonably expected.

[jersey cubs fan]

If someone insulted my wife with vile statments, I'd beat the crap out of him. Whats the big deal?

If someone insulted my ex-wife with vile statments, I'd ... never mind.

 

Buy 'em a beer?????

[Derwood]

you've said that Cobb "could have hit more homeruns but chose not to." That is not a brilliant baseball mind

[OleMissCub]

you've said that Cobb "could have hit more homeruns but chose not to." That is not a brilliant baseball mind

 

First, that isn't the right quote. I believe it was "I hit homeruns when I need to."

 

Regardless, in 1925 at the age of 37, he told the media that he was going to try and hit homers the next two games and he got 5 of them in those two games, a record which stood for a long, long time. So he was obviously capable of doing it.

 

But I guess that isn't the point here. The question is whether he would have hurt or helped his team more by swinging for the fences. I think considering the era that he played the majority of his career in, with its loose ball and huge dimensions, he would have helped his team more by slapping the ball around and getting on base than trying to hit home runs, which would probably end up as fly outs in those days, resulting in him getting on base fewer, which is surely lowered his effectiveness and value. We aren't talking about some beast of a man here like Mark McGwire. This is a guy who dominated the basepaths and stole home 49 times.

 

It's not like the guy didn't slug the hell out of the ball though. His career OPS+ is 167, which is ninth all time.

[SouthSideRyan]

If someone insulted my wife with vile statments, I'd beat the crap out of him. Whats the big deal?

If someone insulted my ex-wife with vile statments, I'd ... never mind.

 

be someone.

[Derwood]

you've said that Cobb "could have hit more homeruns but chose not to." That is not a brilliant baseball mind

 

First, that isn't the right quote. I believe it was "I hit homeruns when I need to."

 

Regardless, in 1925 at the age of 37, he told the media that he was going to try and hit homers the next two games and he got 5 of them in those two games, a record which stood for a long, long time. So he was obviously capable of doing it.

 

But I guess that isn't the point here. The question is whether he would have hurt or helped his team more by swinging for the fences. I think considering the era that he played the majority of his career in, with its loose ball and huge dimensions, he would have helped his team more by slapping the ball around and getting on base than trying to hit home runs, which would probably end up as fly outs in those days, resulting in him getting on base fewer, which is surely lowered his effectiveness and value. We aren't talking about some beast of a man here like Mark McGwire. This is a guy who dominated the basepaths and stole home 49 times.

 

It's not like the guy didn't slug the hell out of the ball though. His career OPS+ is 167, which is ninth all time.

 

but you said that he said he was going to hit HR's (presumably in huge parks) and hit 5 in 2 days.

[Guest]

If someone insulted my wife with vile statments, I'd beat the crap out of him. Whats the big deal?

If someone insulted my ex-wife with vile statments, I'd ... never mind.

 

be someone.

:-k

 

Is this meant to imply I'm a nobody now? 8-)

[cubweiser03]

I don't understand why some people are trying to pretend that Boras or ARod look like fools after this deal. ARod is getting his $300 million, give or take. Just because Boras threw out the $350 and didn't get it doesn't mean they lost or anything. Boras's client is getting an enormous contract, and that's his job. Whether this whole thing was planned all along, or whether it all blew up in Boras's face, the fact is his client got what is most likely the highest contract anybody could have reasonably expected.

 

 

Arod also got another 2 years from what the yankees were offering originally (5 year extension: 8 years $221) by waiting for the season to be over and opt out. In the end they did well.

[OleMissCub]

but you said that he said he was going to hit HR's (presumably in huge parks) and hit 5 in 2 days.

 

He did say he was going to swing for the fences on that particular occasion. And he did this in the era of the live ball and did it in Sportsman's Park, which wasn't one of the humongous ones of yesteryear (335 down the line).

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't understand why some people are trying to pretend that Boras or ARod look like fools after this deal. ARod is getting his $300 million, give or take. Just because Boras threw out the $350 and didn't get it doesn't mean they lost or anything. Boras's client is getting an enormous contract, and that's his job. Whether this whole thing was planned all along, or whether it all blew up in Boras's face, the fact is his client got what is most likely the highest contract anybody could have reasonably expected.

 

 

Arod also got another 2 years from what the yankees were offering originally (5 year extension: 8 years $221) by waiting for the season to be over and opt out. In the end they did well.

 

Only Yankee fans/media in denial are looking at it as if ARod and Broas somehow "lost." They won out in terms of the deal, big time.

[Chocolate Milk]

It's not like the guy didn't slug the hell out of the ball though. His career OPS+ is 167, which is ninth all time.

 

This stat doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

[JeffH]

It's not like the guy didn't slug the hell out of the ball though. His career OPS+ is 167, which is ninth all time.

 

This stat doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

 

He is 72nd all-time in unadjusted slugging percentage, though.

[Chocolate Milk]

It's not like the guy didn't slug the hell out of the ball though. His career OPS+ is 167, which is ninth all time.

 

This stat doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

 

He is 72nd all-time in unadjusted slugging percentage, though.

 

He would have hit more home runs if he wanted to, but he didn't because they wouldn't have gone over the fence.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

It's not like the guy didn't slug the hell out of the ball though. His career OPS+ is 167, which is ninth all time.

 

This stat doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

let's see a list of names of guys with an OPS+ in that range who didn't have a high SLG

[OleMissCub]

It's not like the guy didn't slug the hell out of the ball though. His career OPS+ is 167, which is ninth all time.

 

This stat doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

 

I know what the hell it means.

 

But let's talk about straight slugging percentage. He led the league in slugging 8 times, was 2nd in slugging 3 times, and 3rd in slugging 3 times.

 

If he had played in the era of the modern ball and smaller ballparks, I imagine he would have had similar power numbers to Ted Williams.

[shnsajax]

Warren Buffett told Arod to go around Boras in effort to stay with the Yankees. Boras really must be losing it. It's almost time to cue Jerry McGuire.

[NCCubFan]

OK, the tangent has been split into its own thread. Back to your regularly scheduled Arod discussion in this thread.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't understand why some people are trying to pretend that Boras or ARod look like fools after this deal. ARod is getting his $300 million, give or take. Just because Boras threw out the $350 and didn't get it doesn't mean they lost or anything. Boras's client is getting an enormous contract, and that's his job. Whether this whole thing was planned all along, or whether it all blew up in Boras's face, the fact is his client got what is most likely the highest contract anybody could have reasonably expected.

 

 

You got that right. I think it's just in some circles like ESPN that this thought is being blown out of proportion. Funny how ARod didn't fire Boras after going around his back to make the deal, hmmm...I wonder why?