Cubs contacted TB about Crawford per ESPN1000

[TruffleShuffle]

given this team's salary structure, giving up hill in a trade for a not-cheap outfielder is not an option

[inari]

The D-Rays would never trade Crawford for that package. Not in a billion years.

[UMFan83]

How about sign Fukudome and Kuroda, trade Pie for Greene straight up and then offer Marmol, Gallagher, Veal, Marshall, Murton for Crawford.

 

Would kill our team longterm, but look at short term

 

(assuming Soriano agrees to move down in the order)

 

Crawford, CF

Fukudome, RF

Lee, 1B

Ramirez, 3B

Soriano, LF

Greene, SS

DeRosa, 2B

Soto, C

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Kuroda

Hill

Prior/Marquis

 

Wuertz

Wood

Eyre

Howry

Dempster

 

That is a World Series contender minus the bullpen

 

 

Spend:

Crawford - $6m

Fukudome - $13m

Kuroda - $10m

Greene - $4m

 

Dump Prior - (-$4m)

 

Total - $29m

 

Thats about double the Cubs plan to spend, but you'd have to think that the management would be more willing to approve $30 million in payroll increase if we are getting 4 quality players as opposed to 1 A-Rod or opposed to our wild overspending of last year.

[jersey cubs fan]

trade Pie for Greene straight up and then offer Marmol, Gallagher, Veal, Marshall, Murton for Crawford.

 

That's giving up an awful lot for 2 players. Greene doesn't really do much for me. He'd be an upgrade to Theriot, but I wouldn't be all that interested in the longterm contract they'd pretty much have to sign him to in order to justify trading away their biggest young asset. Crawford is nice and all, but that 5 player package should net you something more than a good corner outfielder. His contract is relatively team friendly for the next 3 years, but he's not exactly cheap.

You'd have to find a way to get out of all of Jones' contract, and with trading away the Cubs best 5th starter option, plus perhaps the 2nd or 3rd best option for that spot, you'd pretty much have to keep Prior with the hopes of him giving you something. I'd try and keep either Marmol or Murton out of that package, and then maybe spin Murton off for something more.

[cubweiser03]

Take a flier on Fukudome paying him about what you would Crawford and keep all of your pieces. If you can move Jones then go after crawford for the CF.

 

I would not consider Hill an option either. He is basically free and should be relatively cheap when/during his 3 arby years.

[rawaction]

trade Pie for Greene straight up and then offer Marmol, Gallagher, Veal, Marshall, Murton for Crawford.

 

That's giving up an awful lot for 2 players. Greene doesn't really do much for me. He'd be an upgrade to Theriot, but I wouldn't be all that interested in the longterm contract they'd pretty much have to sign him to in order to justify trading away their biggest young asset. Crawford is nice and all, but that 5 player package should net you something more than a good corner outfielder. His contract is relatively team friendly for the next 3 years, but he's not exactly cheap.

You'd have to find a way to get out of all of Jones' contract, and with trading away the Cubs best 5th starter option, plus perhaps the 2nd or 3rd best option for that spot, you'd pretty much have to keep Prior with the hopes of him giving you something. I'd try and keep either Marmol or Murton out of that package, and then maybe spin Murton off for something more.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't give up that much either. I'd give up a lot for CC, though. That's giving up a starter, your best reliever, a possible starting position player, and then your 2 closest to the majors SP prospects for 1 player.

[OleMissCub]

 

Marmol's value has never been higher, and relievers are a volatile commodity. We'd be selling high, and his absence wouldn't be missed as much as we'd gain from getting an impact bat.

 

For the right price, I'd deal him without hesitation.

 

Agreed. Every time he pitched I was just waiting for his arm to come flying off his body. I have a feeling he's due for a bad injury.

[Outshined_One]

I'd make Hill off-limits in any trade involving Crawford unless the D-Rays want to send other players/prospects along with him.

 

I like Crawford, but I'm a bit leery about how much he will continue to develop over the coming seasons.

[erik316wttn]

Hoops wrote that the D-Rays are looking for a veteran pitcher to give them 190+ innings. Marquis, Veal, and Cedeno for Crawford.

 

Sold! Where do I sign?

[frostwyrm]

I don't see how we get Crawford without giving up Hill. Besides his youth and productivity, Crawford's contract situation is far too desirable for us to get him without giving up top talent. Pie and Patterson haven't proved anything at the MLB level yet. They're not close to Crawford's value right now. Marmol has value but you can't expect a relief pitcher to net a star position player.

[NYF]

Trade Hill+others for Crawford, then maybe sign Schilling to take Hill's spot in the rotation, fill out the bench and call it an offseason?

We'd still be one power bat away from having a good offense, while at the same time paying an extra 10 million for a pitcher who would probably put up the same stats as Hill.

 

Well, as Hoops suggested, maybe it's possible to get him without giving up Hill, but we're going to remain one power bat away from having a good offense as long as the organization keeps this infatuation with Ryan Theriot.

If we get someone with power for the outfield, Theriot doesn't become as much of a problem. It's almost impossible to find a SS with legitimate power, not so for outfielders.

 

Perhaps we should go after Drew then. He'd undoubtedly be cheaper, and he can hit the long ball.

 

how do you get Drew, (a Boston cast-off), for a decent price prospects-wise, and not take on all that prohibitive salary?

[RyneSandberg]

Hoops wrote that the D-Rays are looking for a veteran pitcher to give them 190+ innings. Marquis, Veal, and Cedeno for Crawford.

I would do that in a heart beat. What is the deal with all of you jumping at the chance to give away Hill, Marmol, and Gallagher? Why in the hell would you give away our best young pitching? [-X

[Balsa]

I'd give up Marmol in a heartbeat for Crawford.

 

That's a tasty rumor.... =P~

[TruffleShuffle]

Hoops wrote that the D-Rays are looking for a veteran pitcher to give them 190+ innings. Marquis, Veal, and Cedeno for Crawford.

I would do that in a heart beat. What is the deal with all of you jumping at the chance to give away Hill, Marmol, and Gallagher? Why in the hell would you give away our best young pitching? [-X

 

 

probably because people are trying to make realistic trade proposals, rather than throwing a bunch of trash we don't want and pretending it would be enough to get a very good player in return

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Just because it might be lost on some who only took a peek at Crawford's rate stats...he steals a ton of bases at a good percentage. Looking at RC or EqA he's a half step below ARam in terms of offensive production(looking at THT's GPA, he's right there with Manny). I wouldn't give up Hill AND Marmol, but I'd probably give up either(definitely Marmol) in a package for him.

[inari]

Hoops wrote that the D-Rays are looking for a veteran pitcher to give them 190+ innings. Marquis, Veal, and Cedeno for Crawford.

I would do that in a heart beat. What is the deal with all of you jumping at the chance to give away Hill, Marmol, and Gallagher? Why in the hell would you give away our best young pitching? [-X

 

It has something to do with the fact that the D-Rays would never do the trade that you'd do in a heartbeat. In baseball, one man's trash is rarely another man's treasure.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Hoops wrote that the D-Rays are looking for a veteran pitcher to give them 190+ innings. Marquis, Veal, and Cedeno for Crawford.

I would do that in a heart beat. What is the deal with all of you jumping at the chance to give away Hill, Marmol, and Gallagher? Why in the hell would you give away our best young pitching? [-X

 

It has something to do with the fact that the D-Rays would never do the trade that you'd do in a heartbeat. In baseball, one man's trash is rarely another man's treasure.

 

 

Exception:

 

See: Hendry, Jim -> Perez, Neifi

[RynoRules]

I don't think Crawford alone solves this team's issues. Crawford plus Dunn or ARod, yes.

[rawaction]

I don't think Crawford alone solves this team's issues.

 

He certainly helps. Cubs are not that good at scoring runs, Crawford is pretty good at producing them.

[Mephistopheles]

Here's a trade to consider:

 

Rocco Baldelli + Scott Kazmir for Rich Hill, Matt Murton, plus choice of {Veal, Gallagher, Marshall, Marmol, Guzman (lol)}

 

Probably wouldn't be enough to get it done, but our teams a lot better quick. Then dump Pie for Peralta, Greene or real shortstop and dump Jones for prospect(s). Sign Fukudome, and we have a minimal increase in payroll and field:

 

1. Alfonso Soriano, LF

2. Kosuke Fukudome, RF

3. Derrek Lee, 1B

4. Aramis Ramirez, 3B

5. Rocco Baldelli, CF

6. Mark DeRosa, 2B

7. Khalil Greene, Jhonny Peralta, SS

8. Geovany Soto, C

 

1. Carlos Zambrano

2. Scott Kazmir

3. Ted Lilly

4. Jason Marquis

5. Sean Marshall/Sean Gallagher

 

We'd get Kazmir for three years btw.

 

Or possibly a deal I like even better:

 

Matt Murton for Rocco Baldelli

Sign Fukudome

Felix Pie, Sean Marshall for Jhonny Peralta

Sign Randy Wolf or Matt Clement

 

 

 

1. Alfonso Soriano, LF

2. Kosuke Fukudome, RF

3. Derrek Lee, 1B

4. Aramis Ramirez, 3B

5. Rocco Baldelli, CF

6. Mark DeRosa, 2B

7. Jhonny Peralta, SS

8. Geovany Soto, C

 

1. Carlos Zambrano

2. Rich Hill

3. Ted Lilly

4. Jason Marquis

5. Randy Wolf/Matt Clement

 

We'd have the best defensive OF in history for one of the biggest fly ball staffs in history. In another note, also throw in stuff and try to pry Elijah Dukes away from the Rays.

[Magnetic Curses]

crawford doesn't do much for me. he's certainly a good player, and he's definitely right up hendry's alley, but he'd require too much--he's overvalued by pretty much everyone.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Rocco Baldelli + Scott Kazmir for Rich Hill, Matt Murton, plus choice of {Veal, Gallagher, Marshall, Marmol, Guzman (lol)

 

yeah, no way TB does that.

[Mephistopheles]

No I could see them making a move like that. They've soured on Baldelli the last couple of seasons and eventually they are probably going to have to make a choice between Kazmir and Crawford long term. Dealing Kazmir and Baldelli opens up Crawford to play CF and then theyre switching Murton for Baldelli in LF, which is a wash. With Hill and not Kazmir they get a similar pitcher for an extra year. They could probably buy Hill out of a year of free agency as well. That'll give them two extra years with Hill.

[Derwood]

trading a player like Kazmir with 3 years left is absolutely what the Rays should NOT do

[Mephistopheles]

they should if it's a net plus.