Cubs contacted TB about Crawford per ESPN1000

[Derwood]

they should if it's a net plus.

 

sure, but is that likely?

[Mephistopheles]

The trade I said? Probably if you factor in the additional year or two of Rich Hill.

[brinoch]

they should if it's a net plus.

 

sure, but is that likely?

 

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? But there's no harm in coming up with creative ways to improve the Cubs.

 

I kind of like the idea of acquiring Kazmir.

[Mephistopheles]

they should if it's a net plus.

 

sure, but is that likely?

 

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? But there's no harm in coming up with creative ways to improve the Cubs.

 

I kind of like the idea of acquiring Kazmir.

 

Well it's not completely off the wall. The Rays are listening to offers for Kazmir. Here's a question would you trade Rich Hill+ the farm for one year of Johan Santana?

[brinoch]

they should if it's a net plus.

 

sure, but is that likely?

 

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? But there's no harm in coming up with creative ways to improve the Cubs.

 

I kind of like the idea of acquiring Kazmir.

 

Well it's not completely off the wall. The Rays are listening to offers for Kazmir. Here's a question would you trade Rich Hill+ the farm for one year of Johan Santana?

 

Probably not. Once Santana's year is up and he leaves, there's nothing left to replace him. Plus, with the inherent injury risk of every pitcher, that's putting an awful lot of eggs in one basket. But it's not an easy decision. Santana would be phenomenal.

 

I'm more interested in seeing Prior re-signed. Letting him get away would be incredibly stupid.

[Backtobanks]

Hoops wrote that the D-Rays are looking for a veteran pitcher to give them 190+ innings. Marquis, Veal, and Cedeno for Crawford.

I would do that in a heart beat. What is the deal with all of you jumping at the chance to give away Hill, Marmol, and Gallagher? Why in the hell would you give away our best young pitching? [-X

 

 

probably because people are trying to make realistic trade proposals, rather than throwing a bunch of trash we don't want and pretending it would be enough to get a very good player in return

 

I'm not so sure your definition of "realistic" fits this forum. If you listen to Hendry, watch his actions, and realize who has no trade contracts, the hundreds of posts mentioning the Cubs getting ARod, Cabrera, or Santana are "unrealistic" because Hendry's words or actions have stated that he isn't going to spend the $300+ million to get ARod and players like Pie and Hill (untouchables) would have to be included for Cabrera or Santana. All of us like to speculate and offer our opinions on free agents and trades, but it comes down to Hendry's opinion is the one that counts.

[SweetZombieJesus]

No I could see them making a move like that. They've soured on Baldelli the last couple of seasons and eventually they are probably going to have to make a choice between Kazmir and Crawford long term. Dealing Kazmir and Baldelli opens up Crawford to play CF and then theyre switching Murton for Baldelli in LF, which is a wash. With Hill and not Kazmir they get a similar pitcher for an extra year. They could probably buy Hill out of a year of free agency as well. That'll give them two extra years with Hill.

 

Where would they move Upton to next if they moved crawford to CF?

[frostwyrm]

Marmol won't get it done. The Rays will certainly get a much better offer, something that doesn't have a relief pitcher as the centerpiece. If the situation were reversed and the Cubs were trading Crawford we'd all be demanding a lot more than a reliever for him. I really think Hill will have to be made available if the Cubs want to make a competitive offer.

[JeffH]

I really think Hill will have to be made available if the Cubs want to make a competitive offer.

 

Possibly true. However, considering that Hill has more value than Crawford, let's hope that Jim doesn't go there.

[USSoccer]

Marmol won't get it done. The Rays will certainly get a much better offer, something that doesn't have a relief pitcher as the centerpiece. If the situation were reversed and the Cubs were trading Crawford we'd all be demanding a lot more than a reliever for him. I really think Hill will have to be made available if the Cubs want to make a competitive offer.

 

From TB's perspective, they'll want as much pitching with as little service time as possible.

 

Gallagher, Marshall and Marmol fits that bill.

[jersey cubs fan]

Marmol won't get it done. The Rays will certainly get a much better offer, something that doesn't have a relief pitcher as the centerpiece. If the situation were reversed and the Cubs were trading Crawford we'd all be demanding a lot more than a reliever for him. I really think Hill will have to be made available if the Cubs want to make a competitive offer.

 

From TB's perspective, they'll want as much pitching with as little service time as possible.

 

Gallagher, Marshall and Marmol fits that bill.

 

Yeah, we wouldn't be happy with the Cubs making that move, but Tampa and Chicago are quite different as far as motive to deal. Tampa is going to look for salary relief and cheap young pitching. The Cubs aren't as concerned about cost and just need some production.

[USSoccer]

Marmol won't get it done. The Rays will certainly get a much better offer, something that doesn't have a relief pitcher as the centerpiece. If the situation were reversed and the Cubs were trading Crawford we'd all be demanding a lot more than a reliever for him. I really think Hill will have to be made available if the Cubs want to make a competitive offer.

 

From TB's perspective, they'll want as much pitching with as little service time as possible.

 

Gallagher, Marshall and Marmol fits that bill.

 

Yeah, we wouldn't be happy with the Cubs making that move, but Tampa and Chicago are quite different as far as motive to deal. Tampa is going to look for salary relief and cheap young pitching. The Cubs aren't as concerned about cost and just need some production.

 

I wouldn't lose sleep if we made that deal. Marmol is a reliever who was overused this year and is at peak value. Marshall (to me) isn't anything special, and Gallagher is an unknown commodity.

 

Put it this way: we've made dumber deals involving 3 players.

[frostwyrm]

Marmol won't get it done. The Rays will certainly get a much better offer, something that doesn't have a relief pitcher as the centerpiece. If the situation were reversed and the Cubs were trading Crawford we'd all be demanding a lot more than a reliever for him. I really think Hill will have to be made available if the Cubs want to make a competitive offer.

 

From TB's perspective, they'll want as much pitching with as little service time as possible.

 

Gallagher, Marshall and Marmol fits that bill.

 

Yeah, we wouldn't be happy with the Cubs making that move, but Tampa and Chicago are quite different as far as motive to deal. Tampa is going to look for salary relief and cheap young pitching. The Cubs aren't as concerned about cost and just need some production.

 

Regardless, I think the Rays can and will get a much better offer than Gallagher, Marshall, and Marmol, and I doubt even the Rays would be dumb enough to take an offer for Crawford in which the centerpiece is a relief pitcher.

[jersey cubs fan]

Marmol won't get it done. The Rays will certainly get a much better offer, something that doesn't have a relief pitcher as the centerpiece. If the situation were reversed and the Cubs were trading Crawford we'd all be demanding a lot more than a reliever for him. I really think Hill will have to be made available if the Cubs want to make a competitive offer.

 

From TB's perspective, they'll want as much pitching with as little service time as possible.

 

Gallagher, Marshall and Marmol fits that bill.

 

Yeah, we wouldn't be happy with the Cubs making that move, but Tampa and Chicago are quite different as far as motive to deal. Tampa is going to look for salary relief and cheap young pitching. The Cubs aren't as concerned about cost and just need some production.

 

I wouldn't lose sleep if we made that deal. Marmol is a reliever who was overused this year and is at peak value. Marshall (to me) isn't anything special, and Gallagher is an unknown commodity.

 

Put it this way: we've made dumber deals involving 3 players.

 

I was referring to frost's comment about how we would feel if the Cubs were the team trading Crawford.

[USSoccer]

Regardless, I think the Rays can and will get a much better offer than Gallagher, Marshall, and Marmol, and I doubt even the Rays would be dumb enough to take an offer for Crawford in which the centerpiece is a relief pitcher.

 

Maybe. You could tweak it. I just don't think they'd be all that interested in Hill, given his service time. They're going to want someone farther away from FA.

[Soul]

I hate dealing with the Devil Rays. Is everyone ready for them to "mull over" this deal for many months, ask for the moon and the stars, and then finally after stringing us along until April, nix it entirely?

[anabiono]

Marmol won't get it done. The Rays will certainly get a much better offer, something that doesn't have a relief pitcher as the centerpiece. If the situation were reversed and the Cubs were trading Crawford we'd all be demanding a lot more than a reliever for him. I really think Hill will have to be made available if the Cubs want to make a competitive offer.

 

From TB's perspective, they'll want as much pitching with as little service time as possible.

 

Gallagher, Marshall and Marmol fits that bill.

 

Yeah, we wouldn't be happy with the Cubs making that move, but Tampa and Chicago are quite different as far as motive to deal. Tampa is going to look for salary relief and cheap young pitching. The Cubs aren't as concerned about cost and just need some production.

 

Regardless, I think the Rays can and will get a much better offer than Gallagher, Marshall, and Marmol, and I doubt even the Rays would be dumb enough to take an offer for Crawford in which the centerpiece is a relief pitcher.

 

i don't know man...their bullpen is absolutely horrible...

 

BTW...who are they going to replace crawford with in the outfield?

[SweetZombieJesus]

i don't know man...their bullpen is absolutely horrible...

 

BTW...who are they going to replace crawford with in the outfield?

 

Upton, Gomes, Baldelli, the Erstwhile Dukes, Young and that's off the top of my head.

[OleMissCub]

 

BTW...who are they going to replace crawford with in the outfield?

 

Gomes or Baldelli I'd guess.

[USSoccer]

i don't know man...their bullpen is absolutely horrible...

 

BTW...who are they going to replace crawford with in the outfield?

 

Upton, Gomes, Baldelli, the Erstwhile Dukes, Young and that's off the top of my head.

 

TB has no shortage of OF's.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

At the risk of stating the obvious, Marmol is only a relief pitcher if you put him in the bullpen.

[USSoccer]

At the risk of stating the obvious, Marmol is only a relief pitcher if you put him in the bullpen.

 

That's the other thing.

[frostwyrm]

At the risk of stating the obvious, Marmol is only a relief pitcher if you put him in the bullpen.

 

That's the other thing.

 

As a starter Marmol's trade value is only a small fraction of Crawford's. Marmol hasn't proved anything at the big league level except as a reliever.

[jersey cubs fan]

At the risk of stating the obvious, Marmol is only a relief pitcher if you put him in the bullpen.

 

That's the other thing.

 

As a starter Marmol's trade value is only a small fraction of Crawford's. Marmol hasn't proved anything at the big league level except as a reliever.

 

Neither has Joba but he's widely considered to be an untouchable than most anybody would love to trade for. Just because he hasn't "proved" capable as a major league starter doesn't mean he holds minimal trade value.

[frostwyrm]

At the risk of stating the obvious, Marmol is only a relief pitcher if you put him in the bullpen.

 

That's the other thing.

 

As a starter Marmol's trade value is only a small fraction of Crawford's. Marmol hasn't proved anything at the big league level except as a reliever.

 

Neither has Joba but he's widely considered to be an untouchable than most anybody would love to trade for. Just because he hasn't "proved" capable as a major league starter doesn't mean he holds minimal trade value.

 

Comparatively minimal trade value is what I'm talking about. Crawford is a very good and proven everday position player in the prime of his career with an extremely desirable contract situation. In terms of trade value he's in whole different class from Marmol.