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[wolf stansson]

I thought I'd share this video with you Bulls fans...

 

 

 

 

It is basically a behind the scenes interview of the Raptors War room with Brian Coangelo on draft night 2006. Long story short he is trying to trade up to grab Marcus WIlliams...focus in begining @ 1:48. He calls up Pax curious about trading up, but while on the phone asks him about the avialabily of current Bulls, and is brushed off within seconds. Essentially no one on the roster is availabe for trade.

 

I think that basically sums up everything you need to know about John Paxson

Younger players who showed a lot of upside should be untouchable. Now that they are older and have failed to deliver, make them available. Paxson's protecting them after the 2005 season is hardly an indictment on his GM abilities.

 

If you want to show why Pax is a poor GM, there are plenty of other, better examples.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I thought I'd share this video with you Bulls fans...

 

 

 

 

It is basically a behind the scenes interview of the Raptors War room with Brian Coangelo on draft night 2006. Long story short he is trying to trade up to grab Marcus WIlliams...focus in begining @ 1:48. He calls up Pax curious about trading up, but while on the phone asks him about the avialabily of current Bulls, and is brushed off within seconds. Essentially no one on the roster is availabe for trade.

 

I think that basically sums up everything you need to know about John Paxson

Younger players who showed a lot of upside should be untouchable..

Wrong. There should be a very short list of untochable players in the NBA.off the top of my head

 

1) Lebron James

2) Kobe Bryant

3) Dwayne Wade

4) Dwight Howard

5) Chris Paul

6)Carmelo Anthony

 

To declare an entire "roster", AN ENTIRE ROSTER!, as untouchable without even listening to an offer is assinine. Paxson is a freakin plague.

[wolf stansson]

I thought I'd share this video with you Bulls fans...

 

 

 

 

It is basically a behind the scenes interview of the Raptors War room with Brian Coangelo on draft night 2006. Long story short he is trying to trade up to grab Marcus WIlliams...focus in begining @ 1:48. He calls up Pax curious about trading up, but while on the phone asks him about the avialabily of current Bulls, and is brushed off within seconds. Essentially no one on the roster is availabe for trade.

 

I think that basically sums up everything you need to know about John Paxson

Younger players who showed a lot of upside should be untouchable..

Wrong. There should be a very short list of untochable players in the NBA.off the top of my head

 

1) Lebron James

2) Kobe Bryant

3) Dwayne Wade

4) Dwight Howard

5) Chris Paul

6)Carmelo Anthony

 

To declare an entire "roster", AN ENTIRE ROSTER!, as untouchable without even listening to an offer is assinine. Paxson is a freakin plague.

 

You have absolutely no idea what Toronto was offering. The fact is that we were not a selling team; nor should we have been.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I thought I'd share this video with you Bulls fans...

 

 

 

 

It is basically a behind the scenes interview of the Raptors War room with Brian Coangelo on draft night 2006. Long story short he is trying to trade up to grab Marcus WIlliams...focus in begining @ 1:48. He calls up Pax curious about trading up, but while on the phone asks him about the avialabily of current Bulls, and is brushed off within seconds. Essentially no one on the roster is availabe for trade.

 

I think that basically sums up everything you need to know about John Paxson

Younger players who showed a lot of upside should be untouchable..

Wrong. There should be a very short list of untochable players in the NBA.off the top of my head

 

1) Lebron James

2) Kobe Bryant

3) Dwayne Wade

4) Dwight Howard

5) Chris Paul

6)Carmelo Anthony

 

To declare an entire "roster", AN ENTIRE ROSTER!, as untouchable without even listening to an offer is assinine. Paxson is a freakin plague.

 

You have absolutely no idea what Toronto was offering. The fact is that we were not a selling team; nor should we have been.

 

That is part of my point, Paxson wouldn't even listen to an offer from Coangelo. You can always say no, but why not just see what the other team will offer for a ceratin player?!? This furthers my suspicisons that Paxson has poor relationships with other GM's because of his snobbish attitdue. How the hell can you declare an entire roster untochable?! Un freaking real.

Edited February 13, 2008 by GoCubsGo!!

[sneakypower]

Hey Kirk is in this one

and

, a personal favorite of mine.

 

at least he's got good sportsmanship.

[Guest]

Of course Deron Williams is better than Kirk Hinrich. So are Chris Paul and Dwayne Wade. Big whoop.

 

It's not as if the Bulls had a chance to pick any of these guys and passed on them for Hinrich.

[wolf stansson]

I thought I'd share this video with you Bulls fans...

 

 

 

 

It is basically a behind the scenes interview of the Raptors War room with Brian Coangelo on draft night 2006. Long story short he is trying to trade up to grab Marcus WIlliams...focus in begining @ 1:48. He calls up Pax curious about trading up, but while on the phone asks him about the avialabily of current Bulls, and is brushed off within seconds. Essentially no one on the roster is availabe for trade.

 

I think that basically sums up everything you need to know about John Paxson

Younger players who showed a lot of upside should be untouchable..

Wrong. There should be a very short list of untochable players in the NBA.off the top of my head

 

1) Lebron James

2) Kobe Bryant

3) Dwayne Wade

4) Dwight Howard

5) Chris Paul

6)Carmelo Anthony

 

To declare an entire "roster", AN ENTIRE ROSTER!, as untouchable without even listening to an offer is assinine. Paxson is a freakin plague.

 

You have absolutely no idea what Toronto was offering. The fact is that we were not a selling team; nor should we have been.

 

That is part of my point, Paxson wouldn't even listen to an offer from Coangelo. You can always say no, but why not just see what the other team will offer for a ceratin player?!? This furthers my suspicisons that Paxson has poor relationships with other GM's because of his snobbish attitdue. How the hell can you declare an entire roster untochable?! Un freaking real.

You can do it by knowing that Toronto has nothing you want. Chris Bosh is untouchable and they had nothing else worth anything at that point.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Jose Calderon says hi. You can also leverage a 3rd team in trades, trade for picks..etc. etc. My point on Paxson's inability to be pro-active still stands.

[wolf stansson]

Jose Calderon says hi. You can also leverage a 3rd team in trades, trade for picks..etc. etc. My point on Paxson's inability to be pro-active still stands.

You're joking, right? Jose Calderon wasn't in the league at the time of that phone call, dude.

 

I agree that Paxson seems overly hesitant, but your reason why (that phone call 2 and a half years ago) is a terrible one.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Jose Calderon says hi. You can also leverage a 3rd team in trades, trade for picks..etc. etc. My point on Paxson's inability to be pro-active still stands.

You're joking, right? Jose Calderon wasn't in the league at the time of that phone call, dude.

 

 

Considering the phone call took place in June of 2006, facts would suggest otherwise. I don't even think you watched the video, the main context is Coangelo wanted to trade up to get Marcus Williams, who's stock was sliding.

[TruffleShuffle]

man who is the guy to the right of colangelo? that is one fat man.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

man who is the guy to the right of colangelo? that is one fat man.

That is Jim Hendry actually.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Of course Deron Williams is better than Kirk Hinrich. So are Chris Paul and Dwayne Wade. Big whoop.

 

It's not as if the Bulls had a chance to pick any of these guys and passed on them for Hinrich.

Paxson did have a chance to trade up with Toronto to snag Wade, but passed.

[wolf stansson]

Jose Calderon says hi. You can also leverage a 3rd team in trades, trade for picks..etc. etc. My point on Paxson's inability to be pro-active still stands.

You're joking, right? Jose Calderon wasn't in the league at the time of that phone call, dude.

 

 

Considering the phone call took place in June of 2006, facts would suggest otherwise. I don't even think you watched the video, the main context is Coangelo wanted to trade up to get Marcus Williams, who's stock was sliding.

Okay, he was in the league, but who would you suggest Paxson should have traded to get a player who put up such mind blowing stats of 5.5 ppg, 4.5 apg, 2.2 rpg? Hinrich with his 15.9, 6.3 and 3.6? Ben Gordon with his 16.9, 3.0 and 2.7?

 

Like I said, you're right, Pax is overly cautious; however your argument remains idiotic.

Of course Deron Williams is better than Kirk Hinrich. So are Chris Paul and Dwayne Wade. Big whoop.

 

It's not as if the Bulls had a chance to pick any of these guys and passed on them for Hinrich.

Paxson did have a chance to trade up with Toronto to snag Wade, but passed.

If you can prove this, I'd like to see it.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Jose Calderon says hi. You can also leverage a 3rd team in trades, trade for picks..etc. etc. My point on Paxson's inability to be pro-active still stands.

You're joking, right? Jose Calderon wasn't in the league at the time of that phone call, dude.

 

 

Considering the phone call took place in June of 2006, facts would suggest otherwise. I don't even think you watched the video, the main context is Coangelo wanted to trade up to get Marcus Williams, who's stock was sliding.

Okay, he was in the league, but who would you suggest Paxson should have traded to get a player who put up such mind blowing stats of 5.5 ppg, 4.5 apg, 2.2 rpg? Hinrich with his 15.9, 6.3 and 3.6? Ben Gordon with his 16.9, 3.0 and 2.7?

 

Like I said, you're right, Pax is overly cautious; however your argument remains idiotic.

 

Please point out were I suggested trading Hinrich or Gordon straight up? I mean, it appears he wouldn't have traded Chris Duhon straight up? After all, the entire roster was untouchable.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Jose Calderon says hi. You can also leverage a 3rd team in trades, trade for picks..etc. etc. My point on Paxson's inability to be pro-active still stands.

You're joking, right? Jose Calderon wasn't in the league at the time of that phone call, dude.

 

 

Considering the phone call took place in June of 2006, facts would suggest otherwise. I don't even think you watched the video, the main context is Coangelo wanted to trade up to get Marcus Williams, who's stock was sliding.

Okay, he was in the league, but who would you suggest Paxson should have traded to get a player who put up such mind blowing stats of 5.5 ppg, 4.5 apg, 2.2 rpg? Hinrich with his 15.9, 6.3 and 3.6? Ben Gordon with his 16.9, 3.0 and 2.7?

 

Like I said, you're right, Pax is overly cautious; however your argument remains idiotic.

Of course Deron Williams is better than Kirk Hinrich. So are Chris Paul and Dwayne Wade. Big whoop.

 

It's not as if the Bulls had a chance to pick any of these guys and passed on them for Hinrich.

Paxson did have a chance to trade up with Toronto to snag Wade, but passed.

If you can prove this, I'd like to see it.

This rumor has been around NBA circles for quite some time. Of course I can't prove it until a GM comes out and admits to the deal. However, considering the nature of Paxson's inablity to make deals, this appears quite possible.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Also, fwiw, using PPG as a stat with no other arugments is as bad as citing Batting Average. PPG doesn't tell you that Quetin Richardson is one of the worst players in the NBA.

[wolf stansson]

Jose Calderon says hi. You can also leverage a 3rd team in trades, trade for picks..etc. etc. My point on Paxson's inability to be pro-active still stands.

You're joking, right? Jose Calderon wasn't in the league at the time of that phone call, dude.

 

 

Considering the phone call took place in June of 2006, facts would suggest otherwise. I don't even think you watched the video, the main context is Coangelo wanted to trade up to get Marcus Williams, who's stock was sliding.

Okay, he was in the league, but who would you suggest Paxson should have traded to get a player who put up such mind blowing stats of 5.5 ppg, 4.5 apg, 2.2 rpg? Hinrich with his 15.9, 6.3 and 3.6? Ben Gordon with his 16.9, 3.0 and 2.7?

 

Like I said, you're right, Pax is overly cautious; however your argument remains idiotic.

 

Please point out were I suggested trading Hinrich or Gordon straight up? I mean, it appears he wouldn't have traded Chris Duhon straight up? After all, the entire roster was untouchable.

And my point to that is you have no idea the context of the conversation. Was it their first discussion? Had Colangelo asked for more? Was he offering anything worth anything?

 

You don't know. My whole argument has been that this is poor evidence to use to back your claim when there is much greater evidence out there. Pau Gasol and KG were two players we have been linked with throughout the entirety of Paxson's tenure, yet they were traded for absolutely jack crap. LaMarcus Aldridge, Ben Wallace, if what you posted was true Dwyane Wade; the list goes on and on. You don't need a short clip from a quick phone convo right before a major event like the draft with no historical context to show Paxson is not a very good GM.

Also, fwiw, using PPG as a stat with no other arugments is as bad as citing Batting Average. PPG doesn't tell you that Quetin Richardson is one of the worst players in the NBA.

It is appropriate enough when the disparity between the players is that big. I could go in depth and bust out some eqa, vorp, etc to tell you why Alex Rodriguez is a better player than Henry Blanco but a quick, dirty stat will do just fine in such an extreme case.

Edited February 13, 2008 by wolf stansson

[TruffleShuffle]

How true were the rumors that the Bulls almost traded the No. 7 pick and Donyell Marshall for the No. 3 pick in the 2003 draft to get Dwyane Wade? And was the deal breaker the Bulls' reluctance to give up Marshall? I don't think many thought Wade would be this good, but I really hoped he would slip to seventh spot that year.--Paul, Schaumburg, Ill.

The Bulls were sure of it, so sure that the Hinrich pick, which was a good one, came with about 10 minutes of discussion after the Heat took Wade. That's one of those Bulls urban legends we'll never know for sure. I do know this: For months before the draft, Paxson was set on Wade, far more than anyone in the NBA and certainly the Heat. Given Wade's size and playing for a smaller school, he wasn't that highly regarded until his play in the tournament. And even then the belief was he'd be there at 7.

 

That was the LeBron James draft and when the Pistons indicated early they'd go for Darko, Denver was on Carmelo. That left Toronto uncertain at No. 4 and trying to improve quickly. Chris Bosh was a freshman and there were questions about toughness. There was some talk about the Bulls moving up to assure they could get Wade, but the Bulls insist Toronto never made an offer. Plus, the general feeling was Wade would be available at No. 7 because Alonzo Mourning had developed his kidney problems and the Heat was supposed to take Chris Kamen, a center. The Clippers at No. 6 had no interest in Wade. Toronto won't say now they were willing to take Marshall and 7 for 4, which would have meant losing Bosh, their best player and All Star. Could the Bulls have made a deal? Probably not, and these things take on plenty of revisionist history. Like the preliminary talks last spring regarding Richard Jefferson for Luol Deng. The Bulls say the Nets wanted the No. 2 pick as well. The Nets say the Bulls were offering the No. 2 pick, which they never did.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

is appropriate enough when the disparity between the players is that big. I could go in depth and bust out some eqa, vorp, etc to tell you why Alex Rodriguez is a better player than Henry Blanco but a quick, dirty stat will do just fine in such an extreme case.

 

It was innapropriate in this case becuase I wasn't tring to compare Calderone to Steve Nash, I was simply impying that despite his low numbers, he was still a decent young prospect at the time.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

anyways..on to another topic. Jim Boylan is the worst coach in the NBA..discuss....

[wolf stansson]

anyways..on to another topic. Jim Boylan is the worst coach in the NBA..discuss....

Don't let the big 3 fool you, it is still Doc Rivers.

[TruffleShuffle]

anyways..on to another topic. Jim Boylan is the worst coach in the NBA..discuss....

Don't let the big 3 fool you, it is still Doc Rivers.

 

oh cmon isn't isiah a shoe-in?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Topic #2. How can we get either Rose or Bayless in a Bulls uniform next season?

[Guest]

Topic #2. How can we get either Rose or Bayless in a Bulls uniform next season?

 

Stop trying to make the playoffs with a .400 record.