College Basketball 2007-2008

[Productive Outs]

ESPN's reporting that IU potentially faces major violations. They are also reporting that the NCAA has discovered new information -- which should be the only way major violations is even discussed. If so, I hope Sampson, Greenspan and every other myopic imbecile that had a hand in Sampson's hiring is unceremoniously fired.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243325

 

Oh, and that Kentucky team which is so terrible is still 6-3 in the SEC. The SEC is garbage.

 

have fun during your time on probation!

 

Well, you should know all about that.

 

you're right. something tells me that you're not going to rebound quite the same way that kentucky did, however.

[Exile on Waveland]

ESPN's reporting that IU potentially faces major violations. They are also reporting that the NCAA has discovered new information -- which should be the only way major violations is even discussed. If so, I hope Sampson, Greenspan and every other myopic imbecile that had a hand in Sampson's hiring is unceremoniously fired.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243325

 

Oh, and that Kentucky team which is so terrible is still 6-3 in the SEC. The SEC is garbage.

They have to fire him. Have to.

 

Should have never, ever hired him. Though, I stand by that phone calls aren't major violations -- especially if they don't violate NCAA rules, only sanctions. If something else is discovered, so be it. Otherwise, major violations for phone calls will be a grave injustice with what has gone on, and is going on, at other schools. Still, Sampson has tainted our program and I won't be sad at all to see him go.

[illiniguy]

ESPN's reporting that IU potentially faces major violations. They are also reporting that the NCAA has discovered new information -- which should be the only way major violations is even discussed. If so, I hope Sampson, Greenspan and every other myopic imbecile that had a hand in Sampson's hiring is unceremoniously fired.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243325

 

Oh, and that Kentucky team which is so terrible is still 6-3 in the SEC. The SEC is garbage.

They have to fire him. Have to.

 

Should have never, ever hired him. Though, I stand by that phone calls aren't major violations -- especially if they don't violate NCAA rules, only sanctions. If something else is discovered, so be it. Otherwise, major violations for phone calls will be a grave injustice with what has gone on, and is going on, at other schools. Still, Sampson has tainted our program and I won't be sad at all to see him go.

You should be talking to Anthony Grant right now.

[Exile on Waveland]

ESPN's reporting that IU potentially faces major violations. They are also reporting that the NCAA has discovered new information -- which should be the only way major violations is even discussed. If so, I hope Sampson, Greenspan and every other myopic imbecile that had a hand in Sampson's hiring is unceremoniously fired.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243325

 

Oh, and that Kentucky team which is so terrible is still 6-3 in the SEC. The SEC is garbage.

 

have fun during your time on probation!

 

Well, you should know all about that.

 

you're right. something tells me that you're not going to rebound quite the same way that kentucky did, however.

 

From which major violation that UK rebounded from are you talking about? I see no reason why IU won't rebound. They'll still hire a good coach (likely an improvement over their past two). They have an extremely fertile natural recruiting ground -- far better than Kentucky. They have great fan support and good facilities with a million-dollar practice facility currently being built. They'll be back; there's no reason to think they won't. Though Pitino's turnaround from probation was nothing short of miraculous.

[CubColtPacer]

The Indianapolis Star got the report. So far, the only news is that the NCAA didn't believe Sampson's story about not knowing that Senderhoff was on the line. If there were any new rules that Sampson broke, the Star didn't include them. So basically this is mostly coming down to 10 3 way calls that aren't a violation of NCAA rules to begin with, only the NCAA sanctions.

[Exile on Waveland]

The Indianapolis Star got the report. So far, the only news is that the NCAA didn't believe Sampson's story about not knowing that Senderhoff was on the line. If there were any new rules that Sampson broke, the Star didn't include them. So basically this is mostly coming down to 10 3 way calls that aren't a violation of NCAA rules to begin with, only the NCAA sanctions.

 

Thanks. I don't believe Sampson either, but there is no way that should be a major violation then.

 

Edit: From the report I just read, that's not true. They also gave Derek Elston (IU recruit, Class of 2009) a drawstring backpack and T-shirt. Again, that's pretty minor in my view, but it is a gift.

[Productive Outs]

ESPN's reporting that IU potentially faces major violations. They are also reporting that the NCAA has discovered new information -- which should be the only way major violations is even discussed. If so, I hope Sampson, Greenspan and every other myopic imbecile that had a hand in Sampson's hiring is unceremoniously fired.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243325

 

Oh, and that Kentucky team which is so terrible is still 6-3 in the SEC. The SEC is garbage.

 

have fun during your time on probation!

 

Well, you should know all about that.

 

you're right. something tells me that you're not going to rebound quite the same way that kentucky did, however.

 

From which major violation that UK rebounded from are you talking about? I see no reason why IU won't rebound. They'll still hire a good coach (likely an improvement over their past two). They have an extremely fertile natural recruiting ground -- far better than Kentucky. They have great fan support and good facilities with a million-dollar practice facility currently being built. They'll be back; there's no reason to think they won't. Though Pitino's turnaround from probation was nothing short of miraculous.

 

i'm referring to the incident(s) in the late 80's.

 

re: fertile recruiting ground, it's pretty crazy that two of the top 50 recruits in the nation are from Kentucky (hopson is #9 according to rivals). doesn't happen very often.

[Exile on Waveland]

ESPN's reporting that IU potentially faces major violations. They are also reporting that the NCAA has discovered new information -- which should be the only way major violations is even discussed. If so, I hope Sampson, Greenspan and every other myopic imbecile that had a hand in Sampson's hiring is unceremoniously fired.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243325

 

Oh, and that Kentucky team which is so terrible is still 6-3 in the SEC. The SEC is garbage.

 

have fun during your time on probation!

 

Well, you should know all about that.

 

you're right. something tells me that you're not going to rebound quite the same way that kentucky did, however.

 

From which major violation that UK rebounded from are you talking about? I see no reason why IU won't rebound. They'll still hire a good coach (likely an improvement over their past two). They have an extremely fertile natural recruiting ground -- far better than Kentucky. They have great fan support and good facilities with a million-dollar practice facility currently being built. They'll be back; there's no reason to think they won't. Though Pitino's turnaround from probation was nothing short of miraculous.

 

i'm referring to the incident(s) in the late 80's.

 

re: fertile recruiting ground, it's pretty crazy that two of the top 50 recruits in the nation are from Kentucky (hopson is #9 according to rivals). doesn't happen very often.

 

That doesn't even include Bud Mackey, who was also a top-50 guy until he got, um, sidetracked. Great class for the state of Kentucky.

 

On the Pitino turnaround: it was unbelievable; but I don't think IU, even with major violations, will have quite the cleanup that UK needed.

[Keener98]

Can I point and laugh at IU yet, or do I have to wait?

 

By the way, the NCAA is a joke. They arent going to hear the IU case untill June because thats when they meet next?WTF call a special meeting you jackasses, I mean if they cheated(not really if) why would you let that team have a possible effect on who the National Champion is?

[soapy]

Can I point and laugh at IU yet, or do I have to wait?

 

By the way, the NCAA is a joke. They arent going to hear the IU case untill June because thats when they meet next?WTF call a special meeting you jackasses, I mean if they cheated(not really if) why would you let that team have an effect on who the National Champion is?

 

I'd say you can definitely start laughing.

 

Jesus, Sampson. You're an idiot.

[Exile on Waveland]

Can I point and laugh at IU yet, or do I have to wait?

 

By the way, the NCAA is a joke. They arent going to hear the IU case untill June because thats when they meet next?WTF call a special meeting you jackasses, I mean if they cheated(not really if) why would you let that team have a possible effect on who the National Champion is?

 

Laugh away, IU embarrassed themselves with this hire (actually the last two). I have a rant from a couple months ago that says the same thing.

 

Well, to begin with the NCAA is a bureaucracy. What do you expect? Also, there is nothing in the report that says they cheated in the recruitment of any current IU player. Therefore, the cheating doesn't relate to this year's team. That's your answer.

[CubColtPacer]

Can I point and laugh at IU yet, or do I have to wait?

 

By the way, the NCAA is a joke. They arent going to hear the IU case untill June because thats when they meet next?WTF call a special meeting you jackasses, I mean if they cheated(not really if) why would you let that team have a possible effect on who the National Champion is?

 

Should this group of kids be penalized? They did absolutely nothing wrong. They gained no competitive advantage from this.

 

The coach should be hit hardest because the allegations are most concerned about his coverup. The school should be hit second because they hired the coach, although the school was not complicit in any coverup, and in fact was the one who did a good job digging and finding out the truth. That should earn them points back, but they are still accountable for the actions of their employees. The kids shouldn't be affected.

[soapy]

Can I point and laugh at IU yet, or do I have to wait?

 

By the way, the NCAA is a joke. They arent going to hear the IU case untill June because thats when they meet next?WTF call a special meeting you jackasses, I mean if they cheated(not really if) why would you let that team have a possible effect on who the National Champion is?

 

Should this group of kids be penalized? They did absolutely nothing wrong. They gained no competitive advantage from this.

 

The coach should be hit hardest because the allegations are most concerned about his coverup. The school should be hit second because they hired the coach, although the school was not complicit in any coverup, and in fact was the one who did a good job digging and finding out the truth. That should earn them points back, but they are still accountable for the actions of their employees. The kids shouldn't be affected.

but who is the blacked-out player on the report? that could be someone on this year's team, i assume.

[Exile on Waveland]

Can I point and laugh at IU yet, or do I have to wait?

 

By the way, the NCAA is a joke. They arent going to hear the IU case untill June because thats when they meet next?WTF call a special meeting you jackasses, I mean if they cheated(not really if) why would you let that team have a possible effect on who the National Champion is?

 

Should this group of kids be penalized? They did absolutely nothing wrong. They gained no competitive advantage from this.

 

The coach should be hit hardest because the allegations are most concerned about his coverup. The school should be hit second because they hired the coach, although the school was not complicit in any coverup, and in fact was the one who did a good job digging and finding out the truth. That should earn them points back, but they are still accountable for the actions of their employees. The kids shouldn't be affected.

but who is the blacked-out player on the report? that could be someone on this year's team, i assume.

 

I was wondering about that, seems weird. They included names of current college players and high school playeres. Why redact one name?

[Keener98]

I think you are all kidding yourselves if you think Sampson didnt call Gordon personally after he was hired. If he was willing to break the rules for these other recruits, than dont you think he would be willing to break the rules to get 1 of the top players in the country immediately after he was hired?

[soapy]

I think you are all kidding yourselves if you think Sampson didnt call Gordon personally after he was hired. If he was willing to break the rules for these other recruits, than dont you think he would be willing to break the rules to get 1 of the top players in the country immediately after he was hired?

regardless of Gordon, there is enough in the report to warrant Sampson's dismissal, assuming it's true (I don't see any reason to think it isn't).

[CubColtPacer]

I think you are all kidding yourselves if you think Sampson didnt call Gordon personally after he was hired. If he was willing to break the rules for these other recruits, than dont you think he would be willing to break the rules to get 1 of the top players in the country immediately after he was hired?

 

Obviously you haven't read the report. Sampson didn't call anybody. He participated in several 3 way calls in which a recruit who had called Senderhoff was then patched through to Sampson. The Gordons probably were too important to go through Senderhoff. They probably always called Sampson directly, which was perfectly legal.

 

2 other things. 1) It's always been reported that the Gordons called Sampson to let them know how interested they were, and not the other way around. 2) When the Gordon recruitment started, Sampson was not under NCAA sanctions. That didn't come for another month or two.

[Exile on Waveland]

I think you are all kidding yourselves if you think Sampson didnt call Gordon personally after he was hired. If he was willing to break the rules for these other recruits, than dont you think he would be willing to break the rules to get 1 of the top players in the country immediately after he was hired?

 

Obviously, Sampson is willing to break the phone rules left and right. But that's not really the issue. The NCAA investigated this seriously, and, with the potential exception of the redacted name, implicated no current IU player. Therefore, this season is outside of the violations and the punishment can wait. Just because you hope that Sampson cheated to get Gordon doesn't make it so. In fact, unless he's the redacted name, the NCAA didn't find any cheating there.

[Keener98]

Im going by the fact that they have been ruled as "major infractions" that the NCAA has found a little more than what everybody knows. And I stand by my opinion that to completely dismiss the idea of Sampson personally calling Gordon is being naive. But we can sit here and go back and forth about this, but we wont know anything till this all comes to fruitition, and evidently thats going to be awile.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm hearing Sampson's gone. Paid through the end of the month, nothing more.

[bukie]

Lost in the IU-UI talk...

 

Illinois won. By 24. At Minnesota.

 

Where did that come from?

[SouthSideRyan]

Lost in the IU-UI talk...

 

Illinois won. By 24. At Minnesota.

 

Where did that come from?

 

Something like 19 in a row against Minnesota. Best part of the game was Tisdale and McCamey's play. The light is no longer an oncoming train.

[CubColtPacer]

Im going by the fact that they have been ruled as "major infractions" that the NCAA has found a little more than what everybody knows. And I stand by my opinion that to completely dismiss the idea of Sampson personally calling Gordon is being naive. But we can sit here and go back and forth about this, but we wont know anything till this all comes to fruitition, and evidently thats going to be awile.

 

The NCAA clearly writes in the report that they have no information other than what is being presented in the allegations. What is listed in the report is the most serious it can get unless someone steps up with new information.

[Keener98]

Lost in the IU-UI talk...

 

Illinois won. By 24. At Minnesota.

 

Where did that come from?

 

Yea that caught me a little off guard. :-k

[CubColtPacer]

I'm hearing Sampson's gone. Paid through the end of the month, nothing more.

 

That would be fine by me. I don't mind if IU sticks with him throughout the process and see where it leads, but if he's let go today I wouldn't mind that either.

 

The question becomes who would coach the team though. If Sampson is fired, Meyer has to be fired as well.