College Football - Week of 10/27

[snoodmonger]

kU ranked ahead of us is crazy.

 

Boo-hoo. We're 7-0. You're not.

 

Advantage Jayhawks.

And you've played crap teams, that's why you're 7-0. Come on, you know that kU isn't near as good as their ranking indicates they are.

 

hard to say, but road wins against K-State and Colorado are pretty solid wins. I do think that Mizzou is one of the top 10 teams in the country.

It's more impressive that kU beat them on the road than if they would have done it at home, sure. But I'm not overly impressed with a team who's two biggest wins on the year have been against teams that are 4-4 and 4-3.

 

We've already dominated two Top 25 teams this year; the only game that kU has against a Top 25 team is the last week of the season -- against us.

I hope you're not counting Nebraska, who's been exposed as an average football team, as a top 25 team.

 

You're being generous by calling Nebraska average.

 

And Mizzou, you have to use the rankings of where the teams are now and right now your team has played exactly one top-25 team which was Oklahoma.

Why? Texas Tech is no longer in the Top 25 because we completely manhandled them. They'll get back in it. Either way, the point about the Top 25 aside... kU still hasn't played anyone. Again, their biggest victories are against teams that are 4-4 and 4-3. I don't see how you look at that, and say with a straight face that they're the 12th best team in the country.

 

KSU was ranked when we beat them. I'm not going to apologize for KU's ranking. Their schedule is just as impressive as tOSU's, and we're 11 spots behind them. If you want to be ranked higher than us, un-lose that game at OU.

[Mizzou]

kU ranked ahead of us is crazy.

 

Boo-hoo. We're 7-0. You're not.

 

Advantage Jayhawks.

And you've played crap teams, that's why you're 7-0. Come on, you know that kU isn't near as good as their ranking indicates they are.

 

hard to say, but road wins against K-State and Colorado are pretty solid wins. I do think that Mizzou is one of the top 10 teams in the country.

It's more impressive that kU beat them on the road than if they would have done it at home, sure. But I'm not overly impressed with a team who's two biggest wins on the year have been against teams that are 4-4 and 4-3.

 

We've already dominated two Top 25 teams this year; the only game that kU has against a Top 25 team is the last week of the season -- against us.

I hope you're not counting Nebraska, who's been exposed as an average football team, as a top 25 team.

 

You're being generous by calling Nebraska average.

 

And Mizzou, you have to use the rankings of where the teams are now and right now your team has played exactly one top-25 team which was Oklahoma.

Why? Texas Tech is no longer in the Top 25 because we completely manhandled them. They'll get back in it. Either way, the point about the Top 25 aside... kU still hasn't played anyone. Again, their biggest victories are against teams that are 4-4 and 4-3. I don't see how you look at that, and say with a straight face that they're the 12th best team in the country.

 

KSU was ranked when we beat them. I'm not going to apologize for KU's ranking. Their schedule is just as impressive as tOSU's, and we're 11 spots behind them. If you want to be ranked higher than us, un-lose that game at OU.

Yeah, you're right -- I missed that. I guess we'll have to wait and see who the better team truly is in a few weeks.

[OleMissCub]

Yeah, you're right -- I missed that. I guess we'll have to wait and see who the better team truly is in a few weeks.

 

yo, i just pm'd you

[dew1679666265]

maybe we should promote the southern conference, theyre better than the sun belt too. theyre close to the mac if they can pass the mac, then fine

 

Yeah, the Sun Belt is pretty awful. FIU and FAU should improve at some point and MTSU seems to keep nearly improving, but always falter. I'd probably be all for at least some Southern Conference teams moving to 1A.

[snoodmonger]

Yeah, you're right -- I missed that. I guess we'll have to wait and see who the better team truly is in a few weeks.

 

I think Mizzou is more talented. They also have Pinkel, which is the great equalizer in our favor.

 

Right now, I think we'll probably lose to you. But it will be close. Regardless, we deserve to be ranked ahead of you, especially since your schedule hasn't been great either.

 

09/01 at Illinois W 40-34-- 5-3 good team, neutral site

09/08 at Ole Miss W 38-25--2-6, terrible

09/15 W Michigan W 52-24---3-5, terrible

09/22 Illinois St W 38-17--4-4, not very good

10/06 #25 Nebraska W 41-6--4-4, pretty bad but still dangerous

10/13 at #6 Oklahoma L 41-31--very good, and a loss

10/20 #24 Texas Tech W 41-10--good? If you bag on our schedule, you have no business bragging about beating TT, whose sched isn't much better.

Edited October 22, 2007 by snoodmonger

[Guest]

the argument of who beat who by how much is not logical at all. basically, your whole argument centers on wofford and a terrible game by michigan. minnesota and nu are not good. no argument there. I just don't think your analysis is meaningful. I am not even saying you are wrong - just that your argument is lacking substance.

[dew1679666265]

the argument of who beat who by how much is not logical at all. basically, your whole argument centers on wofford and a terrible game by michigan. minnesota and nu are not good. no argument there. I just don't think your analysis is meaningful. I am not even saying you are wrong - just that your argument is lacking substance.

 

Wofford, Northwestern and Minnesota never entered my argument. I argued that Michigan lost to a Division 1AA team and Wisconsin barely beat another Division 1AA team (the Citadel) and Central Florida (a team I'm rooting for but one that a top Big Ten team ought to beat handily).

 

I'm saying the perception of top Big Ten teams (Wisconsin and Michigan, not Minnesota and Northwestern - where did they come from anyway?) and top teams from other conferences has been hurt because of narrow wins and losses to poor non-conference opponents. Thus, when they lose in conference, it's seen as them being bad, not the other team being good.

 

And Michigan didn't just have a bad game, one of the most storied programs in the history of the NCAA lost to a Division I-AA team. And again, where in the world did Northwestern and Minnesota enter into this?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Right now, I think we'll probably lose to you. But it will be close. Regardless, we deserve to be ranked ahead of you, especially since your schedule hasn't been great either.

 

Going by Sagarin, KU's SOS is 117th(7th worst in I-A), Mizzou's is 48th. There's more than just the usual circular logic of "who's good, who's not good" between those two.

[snoodmonger]

Right now, I think we'll probably lose to you. But it will be close. Regardless, we deserve to be ranked ahead of you, especially since your schedule hasn't been great either.

 

Going by Sagarin, KU's SOS is 117th(7th worst in I-A), Mizzou's is 48th. There's more than just the usual circular logic of "who's good, who's not good" between those two.

 

I never said ours was better than yours. I'm saying Mizzou fans chirp like they've run through some unholy gauntlet, when they've played a pretty average schedule, and they've still lost a game.

 

I've also noticed we're #2 in the Sagarin ratings, which really must piss you slave-staters off.

 

Sagarin schedule ratings aside, are you really that proud of your schedule?

[Derwood]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Right now, I think we'll probably lose to you. But it will be close. Regardless, we deserve to be ranked ahead of you, especially since your schedule hasn't been great either.

 

Going by Sagarin, KU's SOS is 117th(7th worst in I-A), Mizzou's is 48th. There's more than just the usual circular logic of "who's good, who's not good" between those two.

 

I never said ours was better than yours. I'm saying Mizzou fans chirp like they've run through some unholy gauntlet, when they've played a pretty average schedule, and they've still lost a game.

 

I've also noticed we're #2 in the Sagarin ratings, which really must piss you slave-staters off.

 

Sagarin schedule ratings aside, are you really that proud of your schedule?

 

I wasn't trying to imply you thought KU's schedule was better. My point was that the difference is so large that it makes up for Mizzou having a loss(especially when it's against the best team either Mizzou or KU has played and it was on the road).

 

And no, I'm not trying to say Mizzou has played some type of gauntlet. Like my original post in the thread, we have a slightly better SOS and a similar loss as Virginia Tech and WVU, but because we weren't in the preseason Top 25 and our loss is more recent, they are both 5-7 spots ahead of Mizzou in the human polls.

Edited October 22, 2007 by Transmogrified Tiger

[Mephistopheles]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

no but uk losing to florida is fine because uk beat l'ville, uk beat lsu who beat vt. this isn't something that is hard to understand. if a conference performs better when they play out of conference, then when they play in conference there's a better argument for beating up on each other.

 

the sec did fine out of conference, so when the play each other they beat up on each other.

the little ten laid an egg outside of conference, so when they play each other its crap over crap.

[dew1679666265]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

Despite their #6 ranking, South Carolina is not one of the better teams in the SEC. They're a little better than middle of the pack, but they shot up the rankings because they beat an overrated Georgia team, their only loss came at LSU and they have Steve Spurrier as their head coach. That's it.

 

Vandy's a decent team that upset an above average team, what about the Commodores this year makes you think otherwise? They blew out Richmond and Eastern Michigan, beat Ole Miss by a couple TDs, and now beat South Carolina. Are those awesome wins? No, but they did what a decent team is supposed to do.

 

The weakest teams in the SEC this year are likely Ole Miss and Mississippi State. Ole Miss beat Memphis and stayed within a couple TDs of Missouri (though I don't think it was ever really in doubt). They're only embarrassing losses have come in the SEC. Mississippi State has beaten Tulane, Gardner Webb and UAB pretty well and then got blown out by the good non-conference team they played - WVU. Pretty much what you can expect out of a slightly below average team.

 

SEC schools are performing well out of conference, so they're given more slack out of it. That's how polls and public perception work. You don't like it, push for a playoff system where polls and perception don't matter.

[Derwood]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

no but uk losing to florida is fine because uk beat l'ville, uk beat lsu who beat vt. this isn't something that is hard to understand. if a conference performs better when they play out of conference, then when they play in conference there's a better argument for beating up on each other.

 

the sec did fine out of conference, so when the play each other they beat up on each other.

the little ten laid an egg outside of conference, so when they play each other its crap over crap.

 

this is idiotic. so, because Michigan lost to App. State, none of their Big 10 wins mean anything?

[Flames24Rulz]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

no but uk losing to florida is fine because uk beat l'ville, uk beat lsu who beat vt. this isn't something that is hard to understand. if a conference performs better when they play out of conference, then when they play in conference there's a better argument for beating up on each other.

 

the sec did fine out of conference, so when the play each other they beat up on each other.

the little ten laid an egg outside of conference, so when they play each other its crap over crap.

 

The Big 10 is horrific this year. I don't know how anyone can argue that the Big 10 is anywhere close to the SEC.

[rocket]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

no but uk losing to florida is fine because uk beat l'ville, uk beat lsu who beat vt. this isn't something that is hard to understand. if a conference performs better when they play out of conference, then when they play in conference there's a better argument for beating up on each other.

 

the sec did fine out of conference, so when the play each other they beat up on each other.

the little ten laid an egg outside of conference, so when they play each other its crap over crap.

 

The Big 10 is horrific this year. I don't know how anyone can argue that the Big 10 is anywhere close to the SEC.

 

the best part is that the big 10 is pretty stinky, but ohio st. has a very good shot of being in the title game again!

[Soul]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

no but uk losing to florida is fine because uk beat l'ville, uk beat lsu who beat vt. this isn't something that is hard to understand. if a conference performs better when they play out of conference, then when they play in conference there's a better argument for beating up on each other.

 

the sec did fine out of conference, so when the play each other they beat up on each other.

the little ten laid an egg outside of conference, so when they play each other its crap over crap.

 

The Big 10 is horrific this year. I don't know how anyone can argue that the Big 10 is anywhere close to the SEC.

 

the best part is that the big 10 is pretty stinky, but ohio st. has a very good shot of being in the title game again!

 

That's the thing that gets me. Everyone thought Ohio State, losing a ton of players, they're done.

 

Nope. They're clearly the class of the big 10 again.

[SouthSideRyan]

I love Illinois at -13.5

[Mephistopheles]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

no but uk losing to florida is fine because uk beat l'ville, uk beat lsu who beat vt. this isn't something that is hard to understand. if a conference performs better when they play out of conference, then when they play in conference there's a better argument for beating up on each other.

 

the sec did fine out of conference, so when the play each other they beat up on each other.

the little ten laid an egg outside of conference, so when they play each other its crap over crap.

 

this is idiotic. so, because Michigan lost to App. State, none of their Big 10 wins mean anything?

 

No, but when your conference's leader lost to Appy State, the conference is down this year. Let's not forget they lost to Appy, got their butts kicked by Oregon. It's not just one game.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

no but uk losing to florida is fine because uk beat l'ville, uk beat lsu who beat vt. this isn't something that is hard to understand. if a conference performs better when they play out of conference, then when they play in conference there's a better argument for beating up on each other.

 

the sec did fine out of conference, so when the play each other they beat up on each other.

the little ten laid an egg outside of conference, so when they play each other its crap over crap.

 

this is idiotic. so, because Michigan lost to App. State, none of their Big 10 wins mean anything?

 

No, but when your conference's leader lost to Appy State, the conference is down this year. Let's not forget they lost to Appy, got their butts kicked by Oregon. It's not just one game.

 

I think the conference leader is #1 in the nation and one of the few remaining undefeated teams.

[snoodmonger]

Right now, I think we'll probably lose to you. But it will be close. Regardless, we deserve to be ranked ahead of you, especially since your schedule hasn't been great either.

 

Going by Sagarin, KU's SOS is 117th(7th worst in I-A), Mizzou's is 48th. There's more than just the usual circular logic of "who's good, who's not good" between those two.

 

I never said ours was better than yours. I'm saying Mizzou fans chirp like they've run through some unholy gauntlet, when they've played a pretty average schedule, and they've still lost a game.

 

I've also noticed we're #2 in the Sagarin ratings, which really must piss you slave-staters off.

 

Sagarin schedule ratings aside, are you really that proud of your schedule?

 

I wasn't trying to imply you thought KU's schedule was better. My point was that the difference is so large that it makes up for Mizzou having a loss(especially when it's against the best team either Mizzou or KU has played and it was on the road).

 

And no, I'm not trying to say Mizzou has played some type of gauntlet. Like my original post in the thread, we have a slightly better SOS and a similar loss as Virginia Tech and WVU, but because we weren't in the preseason Top 25 and our loss is more recent, they are both 5-7 spots ahead of Mizzou in the human polls.

 

i agree that Mizzou is better than WVU and V-Tech. That is the unfortunate way the polls work. It's been that way for a while now. Assuming KU only loses 1 or twice before the Mizzou game, you guys will have the chance to punch your way back into contention, though. You'll play a ranked KU team "on the road," (stupid arrowhead) and OU again in the title game. That should be sufficient to push you a lot higher.

[Mephistopheles]

ah, so #6 South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt is fine because Florida didn't almost lose to Western Kentucky. that's watertight logic

 

no but uk losing to florida is fine because uk beat l'ville, uk beat lsu who beat vt. this isn't something that is hard to understand. if a conference performs better when they play out of conference, then when they play in conference there's a better argument for beating up on each other.

 

the sec did fine out of conference, so when the play each other they beat up on each other.

the little ten laid an egg outside of conference, so when they play each other its crap over crap.

 

this is idiotic. so, because Michigan lost to App. State, none of their Big 10 wins mean anything?

 

No, but when your conference's leader lost to Appy State, the conference is down this year. Let's not forget they lost to Appy, got their butts kicked by Oregon. It's not just one game.

 

I think the conference leader is #1 in the nation and one of the few remaining undefeated teams.

 

They're tied @ 4-0. Michigan's probably going to beat them this year.

 

Let's be honest:

 

Ohio State is not the best team in the nation.

Ohio State is number one because of a soft schedule thus far, not because they are good.

Ohio State won't end up winning the national championship.

Ohio State won't end up undefeated.

 

 

To be fair, BC isn't the second best team in the nation either.

[Derwood]

They're tied @ 4-0. Michigan's probably going to beat them this year.

 

Let's be honest:

 

Ohio State is not the best team in the nation.

Ohio State is number one because of a soft schedule thus far, not because they are good.

Ohio State won't end up winning the national championship.

Ohio State won't end up undefeated.

 

 

To be fair, BC isn't the second best team in the nation either.

 

I completely agree with you

[Soul]

They're tied @ 4-0. Michigan's probably going to beat them this year.

 

Let's be honest:

 

Ohio State is not the best team in the nation.

Ohio State is number one because of a soft schedule thus far, not because they are good.

Ohio State won't end up winning the national championship.

Ohio State won't end up undefeated.

 

 

To be fair, BC isn't the second best team in the nation either.

 

I completely agree with you

 

I don't think Michigan will beat them, but I agree they've had it easy and the Big 10 is down. To be honest, a lot of conferences are down this year.

[Andy]

I love Illinois at -13.5

I've mentioned this before but I'm sure this would be even higher if Ball State wasn't a much better road team than home team. BSU has covered the spread 13 of their last 17 road games, are 8-2 in road MAC games since 2004 and, of course, had the Nebraska and Michigan games. I don't know why that is, but I wish that Road Ball State had shown up to one of their two home losses this year, we might have a better record.