John Schuerholz to step down

[swordsman]

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Throw the kitchen sink at him?

 

i knew you guys were smart!

 

I thought you were wanting to make him dinner. Apparently a salad.

 

Would he toss it too?

 

Hey-oh!

[Magnetic Curses]

yeah, he's good. beane's been just as successful relatively speaking with less resources. so................there you go.

[SouthSideRyan]

yeah, he's good. beane's been just as successful relatively speaking with less resources. so................there you go.

 

Isn't the "relatively speaking" = the "less resources"?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

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[DivineBovine]

General managers who succeed in small/medium markets must all wonder what they could do with a big payroll. Nothing in that article tells me that he wouldn't leave that front office position for another GM job.

 

Real Owner + Real GM for 2008. That thought is too good to be true.

[dew1679666265]

General managers who succeed in small/medium markets must all wonder what they could do with a big payroll. Nothing in that article tells me that he wouldn't leave that front office position for another GM job.

 

Real Owner + Real GM for 2008. That thought is too good to be true.

 

Cuban/Schuerholz 08. =P~

[OleMissCub]

General managers who succeed in small/medium markets must all wonder what they could do with a big payroll. Nothing in that article tells me that he wouldn't leave that front office position for another GM job.

 

Real Owner + Real GM for 2008. That thought is too good to be true.

 

Cuban/Schuerholz 08. =P~

 

Schuerholz is basically retiring folks. He's still sticking with the Bravos organization.

[dew1679666265]

General managers who succeed in small/medium markets must all wonder what they could do with a big payroll. Nothing in that article tells me that he wouldn't leave that front office position for another GM job.

 

Real Owner + Real GM for 2008. That thought is too good to be true.

 

Cuban/Schuerholz 08. =P~

 

Schuerholz is basically retiring folks. He's still sticking with the Bravos organization.

 

I fully realize this. Just the mindless hope of a Cub fan taking over.

 

I'm sorry.

[NCCubFan]

Cuban/Schuerholz 08. =P~

Sounds like a campaign ticket. :D

[Magnetic Curses]

yeah, he's good. beane's been just as successful relatively speaking with less resources. so................there you go.

 

Isn't the "relatively speaking" = the "less resources"?

 

not really, the "relatively speaking" would more equal "less time at his job".

[CubColtPacer]

yeah, he's good. beane's been just as successful relatively speaking with less resources. so................there you go.

 

Isn't the "relatively speaking" = the "less resources"?

 

not really, the "relatively speaking" would more equal "less time at his job".

 

Well then, the comparison is flawed if it just means that.

 

Schuerholz has been there 17 years. In those years, his teams have won 14 division titles and 1 WS. They appeared in 4 other WS's and lost in the NLCS 4 other times. His teams won 100 games 6 times, and over 90 games 7 other times. In those 17 years, his teams had a total of 1 losing season, a 79-83 mark in 2006.

 

Beane just finished his 10th season as the Oakland G.M. In that time, the A's have won the division 4 times and the WC once. They have won 100 games twice, and over 90 4 other times. They have had two losing seasons: 1998 (74-88) and 2007 (76-88). They went to the ALCS once, never making the WS.

 

You cannot compare the two without considering factors like lack of resources that would help Beane. Scheurholz's teams have made the playoffs 82.4% of the time compared to Beane's 50%. Schuerholz's teams have had losing seasons 5.9% of the time compared to Beane's 20%. They aren't even close even before you consider success in the playoffs which Schuerholz's teams have been a lot better at.

[OleMissCub]

1985 Kansas City Royals. Enough said.

[SouthSideRyan]

Just because Atlanta isn't Chicago, New York, or LA doesn't mean he was operating as a small/mid market GM.

 

The Braves were near the top in payroll throughout the 90s/early 0s

[dew1679666265]

Cuban/Schuerholz 08. =P~

Sounds like a campaign ticket. :D

 

Exactly my thought. I'd vote for them. :D

[DivineBovine]

General managers who succeed in small/medium markets must all wonder what they could do with a big payroll. Nothing in that article tells me that he wouldn't leave that front office position for another GM job.

 

Real Owner + Real GM for 2008. That thought is too good to be true.

 

Cuban/Schuerholz 08. =P~

 

Schuerholz is basically retiring folks. He's still sticking with the Bravos organization.

 

I fully realize this. Just the mindless hope of a Cub fan taking over.

 

I'm sorry.

 

 

Maybe being a GM is like being a boxer, or an athlete, and its tough to retire from. Maybe he would dig the thought of ending a 100 year WS drought. We can dream, can't we?

[Soul]

General managers who succeed in small/medium markets must all wonder what they could do with a big payroll. Nothing in that article tells me that he wouldn't leave that front office position for another GM job.

 

Real Owner + Real GM for 2008. That thought is too good to be true.

 

Cuban/Schuerholz 08. =P~

 

Schuerholz is basically retiring folks. He's still sticking with the Bravos organization.

 

I fully realize this. Just the mindless hope of a Cub fan taking over.

 

I'm sorry.

 

 

Maybe being a GM is like being a boxer, or an athlete, and its tough to retire from. Maybe he would dig the thought of ending a 100 year WS drought. We can dream, can't we?

 

Hendry will be brought back because new ownership won't be able to hire a new GM in time for '08.

 

Schuerholz will try being President for awhile, but won't be able to take not being part of the action.

 

Cubs fire Hendry and hire Schuerholz near the end of '08.....he's the Cubs GM for '09 and beyond. Calls it the "last great challenge of my life."

 

OOOoooohhhh, what a pleasant dream. 8-)

[Magnetic Curses]

yeah, he's good. beane's been just as successful relatively speaking with less resources. so................there you go.

 

Isn't the "relatively speaking" = the "less resources"?

 

not really, the "relatively speaking" would more equal "less time at his job".

 

Well then, the comparison is flawed if it just means that.

 

Schuerholz has been there 17 years. In those years, his teams have won 14 division titles and 1 WS. They appeared in 4 other WS's and lost in the NLCS 4 other times. His teams won 100 games 6 times, and over 90 games 7 other times. In those 17 years, his teams had a total of 1 losing season, a 79-83 mark in 2006.

 

Beane just finished his 10th season as the Oakland G.M. In that time, the A's have won the division 4 times and the WC once. They have won 100 games twice, and over 90 4 other times. They have had two losing seasons: 1998 (74-88) and 2007 (76-88). They went to the ALCS once, never making the WS.

 

You cannot compare the two without considering factors like lack of resources that would help Beane. Scheurholz's teams have made the playoffs 82.4% of the time compared to Beane's 50%. Schuerholz's teams have had losing seasons 5.9% of the time compared to Beane's 20%. They aren't even close even before you consider success in the playoffs which Schuerholz's teams have been a lot better at.

 

if anything, schuerholz's lack of success in the playoffs is a testament to the crapshoot that the playoffs are. it's impossible to separate playoff success from payroll. beane builds teams that are built for the regular season, he knows his limits. there are only about 2 teams with the resources to build teams for the playoffs, anyway, and even those teams aren't always successful.

 

last time i checked, schuerholz is still the poster boy for playoff futility.

 

it's still not a very broad chasm.

 

and if we did factor in the payroll situation, there's really no comparison.