Cubs vs. Diamondbacks Pre Series Discussion Thread

[David]

Offtopic but can someone hook me up with the name of the song that was played in WGN's 2007 Cubs montage?

[Andy]

I am not all that confident in this series. Webb owns us, Davis owns us, and Owings is Babe Ruth. I think the Cubs can win, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't.

[mordecaibrown]

As a Cub fan living in Phoenix, I watched the Dbacks almost every day and the Dbacks are for real. I was amazed by this team this season, they have no offense yet they win ballgame after ballgame. They play great solid defense and the bullpen shuts it down from the 6th inning on. The starting pitching beside BWebb and Doug Davis is bad, I am talking Trachsel bad but they win ballgames. They just are a fundamental sound team all around and hardly ever make mistakes.

 

Its going to be hard for the Cubs if they trail in any of games in this series because of that lights out bullpen, but if Big Z wins game 1I can easily see a sweep.

 

Go Cubs!

Edited October 1, 2007 by mordecaibrown

[Guest]

Oh, and apparently i'm wrong. Z is 1-2 with a 4.88 ERA at chase field in 24IP

 

That ERA is probably skewed pretty heavily by that terrible start he had there on opening day a couple years ago.

 

He also had a horrid game in April/May against the DBacks in 2004 - he had an ERA around 1 before that game. Z also had that near no-no at Chase Field in 2003. I say we go for a recreation of that in game one. :)

[Exile on Waveland]

I'll say Cubs in four. I feel confident, much like 2003 against the Braves. However, just like 2003, I don't expect the Cubs to win the NLCS if they make it.

[jjgman21]

You're probably right, but 4 teams over .500 when LA was a bunch over .500 not too long ago.

It's easily the best in the NL.

We won the toughest division.

The Cubs got lucky as well. Milwaukee could have EASILY been tied in the Central had they not bent over for SD, you guys got swept by FLA. We both backed into the playoffs, both teams should be fortunate it didn't come down to a tiebreaker.

 

This myth needs to die RIGHT NOW.

 

I'm completely sick of hearing it. Yeah, we got swept by Florida and it was pathetic...however, we did NOT back into the playoffs. The cubs have gone 13-7 in their last 20 games. That's hardly "backing"

 

backing in?

 

I think not

 

crushing

Brewers had a chance to tie by winning two straight vs a depleted Padre team, IIRC. They went on to win their last two games, it could have resulted in a tiebreaker. I may be wrong, but I think that's what I heard. It may not have necessarily been backing in, but getting swept in FLA could have been fatal.

 

so what. that series was bookended by a sweep where the Cubs scored a ton of runs, and another series that they went 23 innings without allowing a run. while we were on edge during the Florida series where the Cubs combined for some of its worst and unluckiest baseball since April, we clinched with two games remaining, did so in convincing fashion, and followed that up with a one hitter. stating that the Brewers blew it is horsecrap. it would have taken a freakish hot streak in order for the Cubs to not make it after the Cubs/Pittsburgh series. furthermore, your argument that the Brewers just blew it by themselves detracts from your claim that the NL West is soooooo great.

 

seriously dude, if you want to discuss this on a meaningful level, we will be more than happy to do so. fans of many different teams do so all the time. at this point, you're really bordering on what we would consider trolling.

 

it is great that you have confidence in your team. we have confidence in ours as well. you want to compare and contrast the two, that would be great. as Roast and others have said or alluded to, you want to do it by evaluation of things that can not be quantified, you're not going to get far, and probably end up embarrassed and upset.

[Chris24Young]

You're probably right, but 4 teams over .500 when LA was a bunch over .500 not too long ago.

It's easily the best in the NL.

We won the toughest division.

The Cubs got lucky as well. Milwaukee could have EASILY been tied in the Central had they not bent over for SD, you guys got swept by FLA. We both backed into the playoffs, both teams should be fortunate it didn't come down to a tiebreaker.

 

This myth needs to die RIGHT NOW.

 

I'm completely sick of hearing it. Yeah, we got swept by Florida and it was pathetic...however, we did NOT back into the playoffs. The cubs have gone 13-7 in their last 20 games. That's hardly "backing"

 

backing in?

 

I think not

 

crushing

Brewers had a chance to tie by winning two straight vs a depleted Padre team, IIRC. They went on to win their last two games, it could have resulted in a tiebreaker. I may be wrong, but I think that's what I heard. It may not have necessarily been backing in, but getting swept in FLA could have been fatal.

 

So, what you're saying is, if things would have turned out differently, then things would have turned out differently?

 

Wow, great observation.

 

And what if the cubs DIDNT get swept by the marlins? That's just the same as saying if the Brewers could have beat the padres.

 

You seem to like to deal with hypotheticals and non-fact-based statements an awful lot.

You guys deserved it anyways, Brewers fell apart, and never recouped.

 

You guys also like to use the whole pythag stat a lot.

 

Check this out

[Roast]

You're probably right, but 4 teams over .500 when LA was a bunch over .500 not too long ago.

It's easily the best in the NL.

We won the toughest division.

The Cubs got lucky as well. Milwaukee could have EASILY been tied in the Central had they not bent over for SD, you guys got swept by FLA. We both backed into the playoffs, both teams should be fortunate it didn't come down to a tiebreaker.

 

This myth needs to die RIGHT NOW.

 

I'm completely sick of hearing it. Yeah, we got swept by Florida and it was pathetic...however, we did NOT back into the playoffs. The cubs have gone 13-7 in their last 20 games. That's hardly "backing"

 

backing in?

 

I think not

 

crushing

Brewers had a chance to tie by winning two straight vs a depleted Padre team, IIRC. They went on to win their last two games, it could have resulted in a tiebreaker. I may be wrong, but I think that's what I heard. It may not have necessarily been backing in, but getting swept in FLA could have been fatal.

 

So, what you're saying is, if things would have turned out differently, then things would have turned out differently?

 

Wow, great observation.

 

And what if the cubs DIDNT get swept by the marlins? That's just the same as saying if the Brewers could have beat the padres.

 

You seem to like to deal with hypotheticals and non-fact-based statements an awful lot.

You guys deserved it anyways, Brewers fell apart, and never recouped.

 

You guys also like to use the whole pythag stat a lot.

 

Check this out

 

Because it's a stat. Dealing with real numbers and occurrences to estimate what will most likely happen in the future. You're just wildly spraying random statements with no factual backup

[Chris24Young]

You're probably right, but 4 teams over .500 when LA was a bunch over .500 not too long ago.

It's easily the best in the NL.

We won the toughest division.

The Cubs got lucky as well. Milwaukee could have EASILY been tied in the Central had they not bent over for SD, you guys got swept by FLA. We both backed into the playoffs, both teams should be fortunate it didn't come down to a tiebreaker.

 

This myth needs to die RIGHT NOW.

 

I'm completely sick of hearing it. Yeah, we got swept by Florida and it was pathetic...however, we did NOT back into the playoffs. The cubs have gone 13-7 in their last 20 games. That's hardly "backing"

 

backing in?

 

I think not

 

crushing

Brewers had a chance to tie by winning two straight vs a depleted Padre team, IIRC. They went on to win their last two games, it could have resulted in a tiebreaker. I may be wrong, but I think that's what I heard. It may not have necessarily been backing in, but getting swept in FLA could have been fatal.

 

so what. that series was bookended by a sweep where the Cubs scored a ton of runs, and another series that they went 23 innings without allowing a run. while we were on edge during the Florida series where the Cubs combined for some of its worst and unluckiest baseball since April, we clinched with two games remaining, did so in convincing fashion, and followed that up with a one hitter. stating that the Brewers blew it is horsecrap. it would have taken a freakish hot streak in order for the Cubs to not make it after the Cubs/Pittsburgh series. furthermore, your argument that the Brewers just blew it by themselves detracts from your claim that the NL West is soooooo great.

 

seriously dude, if you want to discuss this on a meaningful level, we will be more than happy to do so. fans of many different teams do so all the time. at this point, you're really bordering on what we would consider trolling.

 

it is great that you have confidence in your team. we have confidence in ours as well. you want to compare and contrast the two, that would be great. as Roast and others have said or alluded to, you want to do it by evaluation of things that can not be quantified, you're not going to get far, and probably end up embarrassed and upset.

Trolling? I'm not saying we're going to sweep you, or we're going to win the series. I'm not saying you guys aren't good, I'm not talking trash, I'm just backing my team up.

And getting embarrassed? On the internet msg board? Cmon..lol

I will admit, I did back myself into a wall with some stupid statements, I'll agree to that.

[Chris24Young]

You're probably right, but 4 teams over .500 when LA was a bunch over .500 not too long ago.

It's easily the best in the NL.

We won the toughest division.

The Cubs got lucky as well. Milwaukee could have EASILY been tied in the Central had they not bent over for SD, you guys got swept by FLA. We both backed into the playoffs, both teams should be fortunate it didn't come down to a tiebreaker.

 

This myth needs to die RIGHT NOW.

 

I'm completely sick of hearing it. Yeah, we got swept by Florida and it was pathetic...however, we did NOT back into the playoffs. The cubs have gone 13-7 in their last 20 games. That's hardly "backing"

 

backing in?

 

I think not

 

crushing

Brewers had a chance to tie by winning two straight vs a depleted Padre team, IIRC. They went on to win their last two games, it could have resulted in a tiebreaker. I may be wrong, but I think that's what I heard. It may not have necessarily been backing in, but getting swept in FLA could have been fatal.

 

So, what you're saying is, if things would have turned out differently, then things would have turned out differently?

 

Wow, great observation.

 

And what if the cubs DIDNT get swept by the marlins? That's just the same as saying if the Brewers could have beat the padres.

 

You seem to like to deal with hypotheticals and non-fact-based statements an awful lot.

You guys deserved it anyways, Brewers fell apart, and never recouped.

 

You guys also like to use the whole pythag stat a lot.

 

Check this out

 

Because it's a stat. Dealing with real numbers and occurrences to estimate what will most likely happen in the future. You're just wildly spraying random statements with no factual backup

Yes, but stats aren't always the truth, just check out that link. Our mop up men aren't good, resulting in blowouts which makes our run diff. in the negatives.

[Guest]

Trolling? I'm not saying we're going to sweep you, or we're going to win the series. I'm not saying you guys aren't good, I'm not talking trash, I'm just backing my team up.

And getting embarrassed? On the internet msg board? Cmon..lol

I will admit, I did back myself into a wall with some stupid statements, I'll agree to that.

 

Argh, you're not trolling.

[Warren Brusstar]

As a Cub fan living in Phoenix, I watched the Dbacks almost every day and the Dbacks are for real. I was amazed by this team this season, they have no offense yet they win ballgame after ballgame. They play great solid defense and the bullpen shuts it down from the 6th inning on. The starting pitching beside BWebb and Doug Davis is bad, I am talking Trachsel bad but they win ballgames. They just are a fundamental sound team all around and hardly ever make mistakes.

 

Its going to be hard for the Cubs if they trail in any of games in this series because of that lights out bullpen, but if Big Z wins game 1I can easily see a sweep.

 

Go Cubs!

 

No.

[Chris24Young]

Trolling? I'm not saying we're going to sweep you, or we're going to win the series. I'm not saying you guys aren't good, I'm not talking trash, I'm just backing my team up.

And getting embarrassed? On the internet msg board? Cmon..lol

I will admit, I did back myself into a wall with some stupid statements, I'll agree to that.

 

Argh, you're not trolling.

Sarcasm, I'm guessing...

[Roast]

Yes, but stats aren't always the truth, just check out that link. Our mop up men aren't good, resulting in blowouts which makes our run diff. in the negatives.

 

Predictive stats are not always true, that is correct. Because they are only predicting things based on what has happened in the past. However, that's still a helluva lot better than making up cliches.

 

But, some stats are always the truth. They dont make up the fact that none of your starters cracked a .300avg (i know i know, terrible terrible stat to use to judge offensive ability...but it fits in this example).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You guys also like to use the whole pythag stat a lot.

 

Check this out

 

Because it's a stat. Dealing with real numbers and occurrences to estimate what will most likely happen in the future. You're just wildly spraying random statements with no factual backup

Yes, but stats aren't always the truth, just check out that link. Our mop up men aren't good, resulting in blowouts which makes our run diff. in the negatives.

 

I talked about this a couple pages ago. It's an explanation, but not a predictor. Especially when it's the bullpen we're talking about.

[Mizzou]

Yes, but stats aren't always the truth, just check out that link. Our mop up men aren't good, resulting in blowouts which makes our run diff. in the negatives.

You can dismiss the run differential all you like, and that's fine. But what you can't deny or dismiss is that the DBacks are 15th in the NL in Batting Average, dead last in OBP, and 13th in OPS. Their offense is awful. Will your staff continue to be as good as it's been this year? Maybe, maybe not. If you want to beat us though, it's going to have to be.

[Guest]

Trolling? I'm not saying we're going to sweep you, or we're going to win the series. I'm not saying you guys aren't good, I'm not talking trash, I'm just backing my team up.

And getting embarrassed? On the internet msg board? Cmon..lol

I will admit, I did back myself into a wall with some stupid statements, I'll agree to that.

 

Argh, you're not trolling.

Sarcasm, I'm guessing...

 

No, I'm sure jjgman is being serious.

 

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Please cut out the name-calling, there's no need to say what Chris24Young is doing is bordering on trolling when it clearly isn't.

[UK1679666180]

AZ is an aggressive (minus Jackson) FB hitting team, they're going to present problems for Z and Marquis, I expect Lilly and Hill to keep them off-balance with the breaking stuff.

 

The Cubs are going to have to be pateint against Webb, make him use his FB to strikes by getting ahead and use all fields, if they try and hit Hrs, they'll roll over each time to SS.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You guys also like to use the whole pythag stat a lot.

 

Check this out

 

 

That article is horribly wrong.

 

It basically says "The Diamondbacks got their great record by winning lots of one-run games and they got their bad Pythagorean Record by losing lots of blowouts, therefore their real record must be the true identifier of their ability level."

 

The opposite is true. History tells us that teams that win lots of blowouts are more likely to win in the future than teams that win lots of close games. It also tells us that teams that lose lots of blowouts are likely to lose more in the future.

[David]

Offtopic but can someone hook me up with the name of the song that was played in WGN's 2007 Cubs montage?

 

Nobody? Does anyone at least have a link to where I could see the video online and figure it out myself?

[Chris24Young]

I'm thinking

Young - terrible of late

Salazar - reliable

Byrnes ( :roll: ) - waste of $30 mil

Clark - Good this last month, but Jackson is clearly better

Reynolds - On fire, K machine

Snyder - 2nd half MVP for us

Drew - Finally heating up

Ojeda - On fire

Webb

 

For game one..I'm almost 100% it will be that.

[jjgman21]

Trolling? I'm not saying we're going to sweep you, or we're going to win the series. I'm not saying you guys aren't good, I'm not talking trash, I'm just backing my team up.

And getting embarrassed? On the internet msg board? Cmon..lol

I will admit, I did back myself into a wall with some stupid statements, I'll agree to that.

 

Argh, you're not trolling.

Sarcasm, I'm guessing...

 

No, I'm sure jjgman is being serious.

 

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Please cut out the name-calling, there's no need to say what Chris24Young is doing is bordering on trolling when it clearly isn't.

 

perhaps I define it differently, but the one line sarcastic quips like "explain why you are sooooo superior" is borderline. I think others would agree, but whatever.

[Mizzou]

Offtopic but can someone hook me up with the name of the song that was played in WGN's 2007 Cubs montage?

 

Nobody? Does anyone at least have a link to where I could see the video online and figure it out myself?

Straight Lines, by Silverchair

[hawkeyecub]

The Diamondbacks are a bad team that got lucky. You had better really hope your management sees that and doesn't use the success this season as a reason to stick with what they have. They need major upgrades if they are going to compete again next season.

 

How do you figure Look at the talent level and age of their offense.

Young, Drew, Upton, Jackson and possibly Quentin will only get better. Hudson and Byrnes shouldn't regress much. Snyder and Reynolds shouln't regress much either and could get better.

 

Webb isn't going anywhere and Owings and Davis will likely be a pretty solid 2/3. Maybe their bullpen won't be as good, but there are no major upgrades that need to be made. They just got to this level faster than anyone thought.

[David]

Offtopic but can someone hook me up with the name of the song that was played in WGN's 2007 Cubs montage?

 

Nobody? Does anyone at least have a link to where I could see the video online and figure it out myself?

Straight Lines, by Silverchair

 

Thanks!