Did the Cubs give up too much for Steve Trachsel?

[badnews]

It seems like every pitcher of Trachsel's level and in some cases, a lot better, has fetched less back than the Orioles got for four starts of Trachsel. And it wasn't even a July trade but an August one.

 

Trachsel fetched back more the Orioles than the Reds or the Phillies gave up for Kyle Lohse, at least Kyle Lohse could get yo a compensation pick. Trachsel cost more than the Padres gave up for David Wells from the Red Sox, or when Kris Benson came to the Mets from the Pirates, or Joel Pineiro to the Cardinals, or even, horror of horrors, Greg Maddux to the Dodgers.

 

Except for Wells, I think, those were all 1st deadline trades, why should Trachsel cost more for one month than Kyle Lohse, Greg Maddux, David Wells, Kris Benson, Joel Pineiro, Mark Redman, and Brian Lawrence cost for 2+ months?

 

I call that extremely shabby negotiating. And while I'm at it can I just spew some bile at the overimportance some fans seem to place on having a "veteran presence with experience" on the roster, who has no other tangible positive qualities besides being a veteran with a pulse? Thank you.

[Outshined_One]

Giving up a bag of baseballs would have been too much for Trachsel.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Hendry often approaches trades like a stupid house buyer in a good buyers market. If the house is 350k, Hendry will just pay it because it feels right. He won't offer anything less when the person unloading the house is already out of it and just wants to unload it because they don't want to pay for it anymore. Such is the case of Steve Trachsel. Hendry got a lemon and paid paid the asking price with no other prospective buyers.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We gave up 4 wins, so yeah, Id say we gave up too much.

[cheapseats]

According to ESPN's stats, there are 100 pitchers who have thrown more than 140 innings this year.

 

Trachsel's K/BB ratio is dead last, and it's not even close. He is the only pitcher who has walked more batters than he's struck out.

 

Not surprisingly, his K/9 ratio is dead last.

 

His WHIP is the 7th-worst out 100.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Yes, we gave up too much. Trachel has been nothing short of atrocious. Hart could have given us the innings Traschel has. Unless Marshall is hurt, the trade was pointless.

 

At the time, I said it was too much, but since the parts were expendable I wasn't too outraged. I'm still not that as upset that those guys aren't in the system any longer, as I am that we keep wasting starts on trash like Traschel.

[Mizzou]

I can't even remember what we gave up. But yes, we gave up too much. I defended the acquisition, thinking he wouldn't be this awful. But my God was I wrong. What a nightmare.

[badnews]

According to ESPN's stats, there are 100 pitchers who have thrown more than 140 innings this year.

 

Trachsel's K/BB ratio is dead last, and it's not even close. He is the only pitcher who has walked more batters than he's struck out.

 

Not surprisingly, his K/9 ratio is dead last.

 

His WHIP is the 7th-worst out 100.

 

It's worse than that - I can't find a pitcher who has thrown at least 140 innings and has a K/BB ratio that bad in the past 20 years. Not even Nat Cornejo on the 2003 Tigers was that bad, although his K/9 was worse.

 

The Cubs gave up one of their better prospects, Scott Moore, and Rocky Cherry. I'll say this - when we're looking to unload a garbage pitcher with a month left in the season, we wouldn't get that kind of return. I don't like Moore, he strikes out too much, but even the raw numbers for a guy his age and level are worth more than that.

 

I still think Moore could've been part of a better trade.

[soapy]

i'm not as worried about what we lost, player-wise. i'm more concerned that Trachsel has actually been given a handful of starts when it was completely unnecessary and, in fact, detrimental to the teams success.

 

trading for him was pointless, and using him in situations like yesterday (and expecting success) is just down right insane.

[UK1679666180]

Originally, it was a low risk/low reward type of trade.

 

Given how he has cost the Cubs a couple of games w/bad pitching in this race, it has become a very high risk/low reward trade.

[Iceblink]

A useless, silly trade trying to increase our "grizzled veteran" factor. Moore and Cherry didn't appear to have a future with the Cubs, but they still had value. We should've been able to get a stiff like Trachsel for a little bit of cash and nothing else. And even then it's a bad trade.

 

Hendry loves acquiring that aging, below average player.

[badnews]

A useless, silly trade trying to increase our "grizzled veteran" factor. Moore and Cherry didn't appear to have a future with the Cubs, but they still had value. We should've been able to get a stiff like Trachsel for a little bit of cash and nothing else. And even then it's a bad trade.

 

Hendry loves acquiring that aging, below average player.

 

That's exactly what I mean. It should've cost a little bit of cash, not two players, one of them still a Top 10 Cubs prospect. Even if they didn't have a future with the Cubs it doesn't mean you give them away for nothing.

[RynoRules]

I can't even remember what we gave up. But yes, we gave up too much. I defended the acquisition, thinking he wouldn't be this awful. But my God was I wrong. What a nightmare.

 

I don't know if I'd call this a nightmare, but it was at least as poor a move as the Kendall deal was a good move.

[Backtobanks]

According to ESPN's stats, there are 100 pitchers who have thrown more than 140 innings this year.

 

Trachsel's K/BB ratio is dead last, and it's not even close. He is the only pitcher who has walked more batters than he's struck out.

 

Not surprisingly, his K/9 ratio is dead last.

 

His WHIP is the 7th-worst out 100.

 

So are you saying that Trachsel won't be a type A free agent when he leaves?

[Soul]

I still can't understand why Steve Trachsel was even added to this roster. It made no sense to me the day it happened, and it makes no sense to me now that his "pitching" is basically the difference between us resting our good players and now having to play for our lives in the final series.

[Cubzfan64]

I still can't understand why Steve Trachsel was even added to this roster. It made no sense to me the day it happened, and it makes no sense to me now that his "pitching" is basically the difference between us resting our good players and now having to play for our lives in the final series.

 

At the time it felt like one of those "lets make a move for the sake of making a move deals" and I also believe it was also an attempt to get another "veteran" starter.

 

I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.

[Soul]

I still can't understand why Steve Trachsel was even added to this roster. It made no sense to me the day it happened, and it makes no sense to me now that his "pitching" is basically the difference between us resting our good players and now having to play for our lives in the final series.

 

At the time it felt like one of those "lets make a move for the sake of making a move deals" and I also believe it was also an attempt to get another "veteran" starter.

 

I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.

 

Yep. And now because of that move, we're in the position where we can't rest Z, can't rest Lilly, can't rest ARam's legs or Floyd.

 

Bad moves like this have a way of cascading down to the rest of the roster.

[TheDude]

Hendry often approaches trades like a stupid house buyer in a good buyers market. If the house is 350k, Hendry will just pay it because it feels right. He won't offer anything less when the person unloading the house is already out of it and just wants to unload it because they don't want to pay for it anymore. Such is the case of Steve Trachsel. Hendry got a lemon and paid paid the asking price with no other prospective buyers.

 

This community is so grateful to have you in the negotiation room with the Cubs GM for deals. That's a righteous job to hold.

 

To answer the topic question; yes, Hendry probably gave up too much, but the players given up did not have a future with the big league ball club and were taking up slots on the 40-man.

[davearm]

Lots of 20/20 hindsight being applied here.

 

Hendry got a guy that might've been of help down the stretch in exchange for two guys that weren't going to be of help down the stretch, and probably weren't going to be of help in the future, either.

 

Say what you will about Trachsel's peripherals (yes they're historically bad), but he kept the anemic O's in the game in most of his starts for them this year.

 

And if we're being honest here, he gave the Cubs two good starts too.

 

The mystery here is why Marshall has seemingly vanished. That's on Lou, not Jim.

[UK1679666180]

Lots of 20/20 hindsight being applied here.

 

Hendry got a guy that might've been of help down the stretch in exchange for two guys that weren't going to be of help down the stretch, and probably weren't going to be of help in the future, either.

 

Say what you will about Trachsel's peripherals (yes they're historically bad), but he kept the anemic O's in the game in most of his starts for them this year.

 

And if we're being honest here, he gave the Cubs two good starts too.

 

The mystery here is why Marshall has seemingly vanished. That's on Lou, not Jim.

 

Of course, it's hindsight as events have occured, I don't think it swayed very many opinions though. Even it did, it doesn't erase what has occured, he has not pitched well since coming to the Cubs.

 

Trachsel kept the team in two games and he failed to do so in the other two.

 

I qualify starts as anything >6IP and <2ER as putting your team in a position to win. You go 6IP w/3ER, technically a QS, but you kept them in the game moreso than putting them in a position to win.

 

I was hoping Lou would go to a 6 man rotation early on in the month to get some extra rest for the final 2 weeks/postseason and it didn't work out like that.

[NCCubFan]

If the Cubs had given up nothing but the waiver price for Trachsel that would have been too much. Without him the Cubs probably would have at least clinched a tie by now, if not the title outright.

[CubmanPi]

In order to accomodate Trachsel's presences, the Cubs gave up a roster spot and four chances for someone else to start. Yes, that's entirely too much.

[CubColtPacer]

A useless, silly trade trying to increase our "grizzled veteran" factor. Moore and Cherry didn't appear to have a future with the Cubs, but they still had value. We should've been able to get a stiff like Trachsel for a little bit of cash and nothing else. And even then it's a bad trade.

 

Hendry loves acquiring that aging, below average player.

 

That's exactly what I mean. It should've cost a little bit of cash, not two players, one of them still a Top 10 Cubs prospect. Even if they didn't have a future with the Cubs it doesn't mean you give them away for nothing.

 

Moore was not a top 10 Cubs prospect. In fact, a few of the minor league experts on the board didn't have Moore on their top 30 list.

 

I think the Cubs did the trade because Marshall's arm was dying and to clear 40 man space for the offseason with 2 guys they didn't want anymore. The fact that they weren't planning to call up Moore or Cherry for September callups said exactly how the Cubs felt about them.

 

At the same time, they paid too much in a sense as well because Trachsel ended up being worse than either Hart or Gallagher would likely do.

[The Voice of Reason]

Trachsel is a delusional moron. Good riddance.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/578864,CST-SPT-deluca28.article

 

In case you haven't noticed, the Cubs haven't been getting much from their starting pitching. That trend continued with the work of Steve Trachsel, who was originally pushed out of this start, only to jump back in during the last week.

 

But don't try telling Trachsel he didn't pitch well Thursday.

 

Manager Lou Piniella was hoping for six solid innings from Trachsel. Instead, he got 4 1/3 shaky ones. Trachsel allowed five runs and five hits, but sticking to his script, didn't think he pitched all that bad.

 

''Couple of sacrifice flies, solo home run, they manufactured and took advantage of opportunities,'' he said, sounding as if he had practically shut down the Marlins. ''My stuff was pretty good. I had a foul ball that went for a double that cost us a run.''

 

On the bright side, those were probably the last pitches that will be delivered by Trachsel in a Cubs uniform. He was acquired on Aug. 31 as a safety net, but has offered little more than an uptight personality this clubhouse doesn't need.

 

The night before, Trachsel had a mini-meltdown, shouting obscenities at a small group of reporters who had joined some Cubs watching the Brewers game on a big-screen clubhouse TV. The outburst came just minutes after Piniella held a rare team meeting and told his players to relax and have fun.

[Soul]

Trachsel is a delusional moron. Good riddance.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/578864,CST-SPT-deluca28.article

 

In case you haven't noticed, the Cubs haven't been getting much from their starting pitching. That trend continued with the work of Steve Trachsel, who was originally pushed out of this start, only to jump back in during the last week.

 

But don't try telling Trachsel he didn't pitch well Thursday.

 

Manager Lou Piniella was hoping for six solid innings from Trachsel. Instead, he got 4 1/3 shaky ones. Trachsel allowed five runs and five hits, but sticking to his script, didn't think he pitched all that bad.

 

''Couple of sacrifice flies, solo home run, they manufactured and took advantage of opportunities,'' he said, sounding as if he had practically shut down the Marlins. ''My stuff was pretty good. I had a foul ball that went for a double that cost us a run.''

 

On the bright side, those were probably the last pitches that will be delivered by Trachsel in a Cubs uniform. He was acquired on Aug. 31 as a safety net, but has offered little more than an uptight personality this clubhouse doesn't need.

 

The night before, Trachsel had a mini-meltdown, shouting obscenities at a small group of reporters who had joined some Cubs watching the Brewers game on a big-screen clubhouse TV. The outburst came just minutes after Piniella held a rare team meeting and told his players to relax and have fun.

 

Holy CRAP! Are you freaking kidding me????

 

GET THIS [expletive] OUT OF HERE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111