College Football - Week of 9/8

[CuseCubFan69]

Hey Bob, didn't I tell you Syracuse was bad! This is the worst team I have ever seen here, ever. Illinois must be foaming at the mouth right now.

 

Big East hasn't lost a game other than Syracuse and their 0-2 and S.Florida's win at Auburn just helps the cause. Cincy crushing Oregon St helped too.

 

LSU looked very good but VTech couldn't score on East Carolina so that takes a little luster off of it. Oklahoma pounding Miami was more impressive imo. Texas with an impressive win as did Nebraska over a tough Wake team. Oregon takes a little off of how good App St is by showing Michigan isn't that good, still a great win for App St though. Florida gives up 31 to Troy but I'm sure no one will notice that in the polls. How many times does Georgia get to prove they aren't that good before being dropped in the polls?

 

My top 25:

 

Oklahoma

LSU

USC

West Virginia

Louisville

Florida

Texas

Cal

Rutgers

Penn State

Wisconsin

UCLA

Ohio State

Nebraska

Washington

Georgia Tech

Tennessee

S. Florida

Oregon

Arizona St.

Missouri

Cincinnati

Boston College

South Carolina

Mich St.

 

like the way Marshall outplaying WVU for more than a half of football, Middle Tennessee State hanging 42 on Louisville, and Rutgers less than impressive performance against the mighty Midshipmen makes no difference in your eyes?

 

Nebraska and Texas had absolutely unimpressive wins. I agree with your comment about Georgia, but why doesn't it apply to Tennessee too?

 

The Navy team that lost in the last seconds in a bowl game to BC last year? Wake Forrest is a tough team but since they aren't in the midwest you wouldn't know that. Tenn lost to a good Cal team who in my opinion is better than South Carolina.

 

Marshall...of course why would you know since it would take some knowledge of what you're talking about, played WV at home for the first time since 1915 and it was a HUGE game for the state of WV. Huge.

 

I agree Louisville's defense was horrible against MTS and my comment was that Florida's wasn't that great either but I forgot to write about the Louisville as being the one everyone will remember and give Florida a free pass. I omitted that assuming posters would know what I was talking about and was wrong to do so.

 

Edit:

I apologize for sounding so rude jigman for the above post.

Edited September 9, 2007 by CuseCubFan69

[Warpticon]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Also, how is a 20+ point win over TCU entirely unimpressive?

Edited September 9, 2007 by Warpticon

[CuseCubFan69]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Good point. It shows a lack of depth but not an overall bad defense.

[Mephistopheles]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Good point. It shows a lack of depth but not an overall bad defense.

 

it shows a lack of experience not really depth. floridas like usc, their third string may be a top 25 team

[CuseCubFan69]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Good point. It shows a lack of depth but not an overall bad defense.

 

it shows a lack of experience not really depth. floridas like usc, their third string may be a top 25 team

 

So because they are young that makes them deep? I agree they may get better but they didn't show it last night.

[jjgman21]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Also, how is a 20+ point win over TCU entirely unimpressive?

 

apply the same logic you apply to Arkasas/Troy. because it was 10-10 going into the fourth quarter. because they managed about 100 yards of offense in the first half, including 2 INTs by Colt.

[Derwood]

ND's play calling was pathetic. Worse than high school. Did Weis not think that PSU would adjust to the screen pass? The O-Line was like a sieve any time PSU decided to blitz, and the number of penalties was embarrassing.

I suspect the genius's record will be close to the same as his predecessor's after three seasons.

 

The difference is he will do it with flair and a couple of top 5 recuriting classes.

Anyone even MENTION Ty Willingham and I'll punch them in the face.

 

Do you know the extent of Notre Dame's senior class helping the team right now?

 

Junior Jabbie - backup RB who's playing like 5 plays a game right now

Joe Brockington - starting LB

Maurice Crum - starting LB

Ambrose Wooden - nickelback (who blows chunks BTW)

Geoff Price - punter

 

That's IT. Weis is working with a bunch of 20 year olds out there. The junior class is hardly any better. And that's because Willingham was too damn busy golfing to bother recruiting his last two offseasons as the coach. And his 2002 team was the luckiest in the history of sports as well as having a very good upperclassman group because Bob Davie actually didn't suck at recruiting.

 

I swear, this is what I freaking hate about this crap. We start 0-2, get soundly beaten by two teams that should probably finish top 15 in the country, and everyone starts calling for the idiot coach who came before. This mess is still Ty's fault, and it will be until at least 2008.

 

Derwood, Clausen's cockiness is a little thing called leadership. I don't know what you saw, but I don't remember seeing any mouth-running other than talking to his own team in the huddle. And yes, Charlie's playcalling was abysmal. We would have had a chance in the game if he'd taken the diapers off Jimmy sooner, because once he did was the only time we moved the ball all night.

 

And Austin Scott was little but the beneficiary of a tired defense. What did ND's offense have, like, 6 three and outs in a row? They were beat by that time, and that's why Scott busted loose.

 

First quarter, on the one good drive ND managed, Clausen ran for a first down on a broken pass play and was barking at one of PSU's linebackers.

 

And why try to downplay Scott's performance? PSU's defense did it's job, which is to keep the other defense on the field so that the offense can take advantage.

 

You seem to be acknowledging the ass-kicking but keep making lame excuses for it. The players aren't good, the coach didn't take many chances, the penalties were brutal.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I just finished watching LSU's victory again. So sweet!

[CubinNY]

ND's play calling was pathetic. Worse than high school. Did Weis not think that PSU would adjust to the screen pass? The O-Line was like a sieve any time PSU decided to blitz, and the number of penalties was embarrassing.

I suspect the genius's record will be close to the same as his predecessor's after three seasons.

 

The difference is he will do it with flair and a couple of top 5 recuriting classes.

Anyone even MENTION Ty Willingham and I'll punch them in the face.

 

Do you know the extent of Notre Dame's senior class helping the team right now?

 

What about ND's Junior and Sophomore class?

 

The genius went 9-3 and 10-3 with Ty's recruits.

 

Oh, Ty Willingham

[jjgman21]

 

The Navy team that lost in the last seconds in a bowl game to BC last year?

 

no, the Navy team that lost to Tulsa last year.

 

Wake Forrest is a tough team but since they aren't in the midwest you wouldn't know that.

 

interesting. Wake had their asses handed to them by BC last week, so through this twisted logic game we are obviously going to have to play again this year, how do you rank Navy, BC, Wake, and Rutgers?

 

Tenn lost to a good Cal team who in my opinion is better than South Carolina.

 

I don't dispute this, but Tennessee proves year after year that they are overrated. they are the Michigan of the SEC, always unable to convert great recruiting into great teams.

 

 

Marshall...of course why would you know since it would take some knowledge of what you're talking about, played WV at home for the first time since 1915 and it was a HUGE game for the state of WV. Huge.

 

so because the game was huge, it excuses a half of crap football?

 

I agree Louisville's defense was horrible against MTS and my comment was that Florida's wasn't that great either but I forgot to write about the Louisville as being the one everyone will remember and give Florida a free pass. I omitted that assuming posters would know what I was talking about and was wrong to do so.

 

as others have said, giving up a bunch of points after sprinting out to a 40 some odd point lead is one thing, allowing a team to hang with you the entire game is another. but the point is your hypocrisy.

 

Edit:

I apologize for sounding so rude jigman for the above post.c

 

you admit your bias in another post, why don't you just admit your bias in forming your rankings? and its jJgman.

[jjgman21]

ND's play calling was pathetic. Worse than high school. Did Weis not think that PSU would adjust to the screen pass? The O-Line was like a sieve any time PSU decided to blitz, and the number of penalties was embarrassing.

I suspect the genius's record will be close to the same as his predecessor's after three seasons.

 

The difference is he will do it with flair and a couple of top 5 recuriting classes.

Anyone even MENTION Ty Willingham and I'll punch them in the face.

 

Do you know the extent of Notre Dame's senior class helping the team right now?

 

Junior Jabbie - backup RB who's playing like 5 plays a game right now

Joe Brockington - starting LB

Maurice Crum - starting LB

Ambrose Wooden - nickelback (who blows chunks BTW)

Geoff Price - punter

 

That's IT. Weis is working with a bunch of 20 year olds out there. The junior class is hardly any better. And that's because Willingham was too damn busy golfing to bother recruiting his last two offseasons as the coach. And his 2002 team was the luckiest in the history of sports as well as having a very good upperclassman group because Bob Davie actually didn't suck at recruiting.

 

I swear, this is what I freaking hate about this crap. We start 0-2, get soundly beaten by two teams that should probably finish top 15 in the country, and everyone starts calling for the idiot coach who came before. This mess is still Ty's fault, and it will be until at least 2008.

 

Derwood, Clausen's cockiness is a little thing called leadership. I don't know what you saw, but I don't remember seeing any mouth-running other than talking to his own team in the huddle. And yes, Charlie's playcalling was abysmal. We would have had a chance in the game if he'd taken the diapers off Jimmy sooner, because once he did was the only time we moved the ball all night.

 

And Austin Scott was little but the beneficiary of a tired defense. What did ND's offense have, like, 6 three and outs in a row? They were beat by that time, and that's why Scott busted loose.

 

First quarter, on the one good drive ND managed, Clausen ran for a first down on a broken pass play and was barking at one of PSU's linebackers.

 

And why try to downplay Scott's performance? PSU's defense did it's job, which is to keep the other defense on the field so that the offense can take advantage.

 

You seem to be acknowledging the ass-kicking but keep making lame excuses for it. The players aren't good, the coach didn't take many chances, the penalties were brutal.

 

just an interjection here, if I were a PSU fan, I wouldn't be all that stoked about that victory last night. I think an argument could be made that Clausen outplayed Morelli, and Morelli had an offensive line and a running game and outstanding receivers to work with. the defense looked good, but considering what GT did to NDs offense, it really diminishes what their defense did do.

[Post Count Padder]

ND's play calling was pathetic. Worse than high school. Did Weis not think that PSU would adjust to the screen pass? The O-Line was like a sieve any time PSU decided to blitz, and the number of penalties was embarrassing.

I suspect the genius's record will be close to the same as his predecessor's after three seasons.

 

The difference is he will do it with flair and a couple of top 5 recuriting classes.

Anyone even MENTION Ty Willingham and I'll punch them in the face.

 

Do you know the extent of Notre Dame's senior class helping the team right now?

 

Junior Jabbie - backup RB who's playing like 5 plays a game right now

Joe Brockington - starting LB

Maurice Crum - starting LB

Ambrose Wooden - nickelback (who blows chunks BTW)

Geoff Price - punter

 

That's IT. Weis is working with a bunch of 20 year olds out there. The junior class is hardly any better. And that's because Willingham was too damn busy golfing to bother recruiting his last two offseasons as the coach. And his 2002 team was the luckiest in the history of sports as well as having a very good upperclassman group because Bob Davie actually didn't suck at recruiting.

 

I swear, this is what I freaking hate about this crap. We start 0-2, get soundly beaten by two teams that should probably finish top 15 in the country, and everyone starts calling for the idiot coach who came before. This mess is still Ty's fault, and it will be until at least 2008.

 

Derwood, Clausen's cockiness is a little thing called leadership. I don't know what you saw, but I don't remember seeing any mouth-running other than talking to his own team in the huddle. And yes, Charlie's playcalling was abysmal. We would have had a chance in the game if he'd taken the diapers off Jimmy sooner, because once he did was the only time we moved the ball all night.

 

And Austin Scott was little but the beneficiary of a tired defense. What did ND's offense have, like, 6 three and outs in a row? They were beat by that time, and that's why Scott busted loose.

 

First quarter, on the one good drive ND managed, Clausen ran for a first down on a broken pass play and was barking at one of PSU's linebackers.

 

And why try to downplay Scott's performance? PSU's defense did it's job, which is to keep the other defense on the field so that the offense can take advantage.

 

You seem to be acknowledging the ass-kicking but keep making lame excuses for it. The players aren't good, the coach didn't take many chances, the penalties were brutal.

Notre Dame gave a piss poor performance. Take away the INT return and the punt return that led to the FG and it is most likely a shutout. They showed me nothing in the game that made me think they had a chance to win.

[CDBears1259]

LSU looked very good but VTech couldn't score on East Carolina so that takes a little luster off of it. Oklahoma pounding Miami was more impressive imo.

 

Of course I'm an LSU guy, but out of curiosity why, in your opinion, was OU's win more impressive? I don't see it as impressive enough to rank them ahead of LSU. OU's 2 victories are over North Texas and a not very good Miami.

[shnsajax]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Also, how is a 20+ point win over TCU entirely unimpressive?

 

no kidding. that will probably be the only game TCU loses all season unless they somehow make a BCS game. TCU is a very good team with a very good defense.

[Derwood]

 

just an interjection here, if I were a PSU fan, I wouldn't be all that stoked about that victory last night. I think an argument could be made that Clausen outplayed Morelli, and Morelli had an offensive line and a running game and outstanding receivers to work with. the defense looked good, but considering what GT did to NDs offense, it really diminishes what their defense did do.

 

i'm not making much of it. PSU beat a crap team just like they should have. Clausen's completion % was helped greatly by a string of screen and dump passes, but his yards/throw was pathetic.

 

oh, and Morelli is a total mook. i hate the guy. can't wait till Pat Devlin is the starter

[CuseCubFan69]

The Navy team that lost in the last seconds in a bowl game to BC last year?

 

no, the Navy team that lost to Tulsa last year.

 

Good point, no other team was upset last year that in in a bowl game.

 

Wake Forrest is a tough team but since they aren't in the midwest you wouldn't know that.

 

interesting. Wake had their asses handed to them by BC last week, so through this twisted logic game we are obviously going to have to play again this year, how do you rank Navy, BC, Wake, and Rutgers?

 

Rutgers, BC, Wake, Navy. If you watched the BC/WF it was close until late and using your own logic doesn't that make it a tough game?

 

Tenn lost to a good Cal team who in my opinion is better than South Carolina.

I don't dispute this, but Tennessee proves year after year that they are overrated. they are the Michigan of the SEC, always unable to convert great recruiting into great teams.

 

Tenn is usually tough and plays a good schedule. Overrated, maybe but I give them credit for playing a tough team

 

Marshall...of course why would you know since it would take some knowledge of what you're talking about, played WV at home for the first time since 1915 and it was a HUGE game for the state of WV. Huge.

 

so because the game was huge, it excuses a half of crap football?

 

It's a big rivalry game and emotion helped Marshall in the first half and talent took over in the second half

 

I agree Louisville's defense was horrible against MTS and my comment was that Florida's wasn't that great either but I forgot to write about the Louisville as being the one everyone will remember and give Florida a free pass. I omitted that assuming posters would know what I was talking about and was wrong to do so.

as others have said, giving up a bunch of points after sprinting out to a 40 some odd point lead is one thing, allowing a team to hang with you the entire game is another. but the point is your hypocrisy.

 

I already explained this and conceded the point but hey, at least your consistent.

 

Edit:

I apologize for sounding so rude jigman for the above post.c

 

you admit your bias in another post, why don't you just admit your bias in forming your rankings? and its jJgman.

 

I've been calling you that for years!

[Post Count Padder]

 

just an interjection here, if I were a PSU fan, I wouldn't be all that stoked about that victory last night. I think an argument could be made that Clausen outplayed Morelli, and Morelli had an offensive line and a running game and outstanding receivers to work with. the defense looked good, but considering what GT did to NDs offense, it really diminishes what their defense did do.

 

i'm not making much of it. PSU beat a crap team just like they should have. Clausen's completion % was helped greatly by a string of screen and dump passes, but his yards/throw was pathetic.

 

oh, and Morelli is a total mook. i hate the guy. can't wait till Pat Devlin is the starter

+ 1

 

Morelli reminded me of his play last year.

[CuseCubFan69]

LSU looked very good but VTech couldn't score on East Carolina so that takes a little luster off of it. Oklahoma pounding Miami was more impressive imo.

 

Of course I'm an LSU guy, but out of curiosity why, in your opinion, was OU's win more impressive? I don't see it as impressive enough to rank them ahead of LSU. OU's 2 victories are over North Texas and a not very good Miami.

 

I think a lot of good defenses would have stopped VTech. Let's face it, it's pretty much a toss up at this point but I thought that Miami looked better in week 1 than VTech did, thus my comment.

 

If LSU stuffs MTS next week defensively that will show me how good their defense is which I agree, is very very good. I do see your point about LSU playing 2 better teams overall than Oklahoma though and that does make me rethink it.

 

It's going to be a very interesting season and how it plays out should be quite fascinating.

[Derwood]

 

just an interjection here, if I were a PSU fan, I wouldn't be all that stoked about that victory last night. I think an argument could be made that Clausen outplayed Morelli, and Morelli had an offensive line and a running game and outstanding receivers to work with. the defense looked good, but considering what GT did to NDs offense, it really diminishes what their defense did do.

 

i'm not making much of it. PSU beat a crap team just like they should have. Clausen's completion % was helped greatly by a string of screen and dump passes, but his yards/throw was pathetic.

 

oh, and Morelli is a total mook. i hate the guy. can't wait till Pat Devlin is the starter

+ 1

 

Morelli reminded me of his play last year.

 

sadly, we'll see Daryll frigging Clark next year because JoePa never starts an underclassmen over an upperclassmen

[jjgman21]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Also, how is a 20+ point win over TCU entirely unimpressive?

 

no kidding. that will probably be the only game TCU loses all season unless they somehow make a BCS game. TCU is a very good team with a very good defense.

 

I'll admit I don't know a whole helluva lot about TCU, and looking at their schedule, they should go undefeated in the Moutain West, but I gave my reasons, and they are pretty solid reasons.

 

TCU had a 10 point lead at half, and was tied 10-10 going into the fourth. Texas didn't take a lead until TCU put the ball on the ground inside their own 15. TCU had a hundred yards in penalties, four turnovers, and three other fumbles they managed to get back on. yet Texas couldn't do much with that until the fourth quarter, instead matching TCU in sloppy play for much of the game.

 

I think I demonstrated a lack of homerism here. as a Big 10 guy, I am fine with saying that PSU's win was less than impressive. why people look at the final score and determine whether a team was impressive or not, I have no idea.

[CuseCubFan69]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Also, how is a 20+ point win over TCU entirely unimpressive?

 

no kidding. that will probably be the only game TCU loses all season unless they somehow make a BCS game. TCU is a very good team with a very good defense.

 

I'll admit I don't know a whole helluva lot about TCU, and looking at their schedule, they should go undefeated in the Moutain West, but I gave my reasons, and they are pretty solid reasons.

 

TCU had a 10 point lead at half, and was tied 10-10 going into the fourth. Texas didn't take a lead until TCU put the ball on the ground inside their own 15. TCU had a hundred yards in penalties, four turnovers, and three other fumbles they managed to get back on. yet Texas couldn't do much with that until the fourth quarter, instead matching TCU in sloppy play for much of the game.

 

I think I demonstrated a lack of homerism here. as a Big 10 guy, I am fine with saying that PSU's win was less than impressive. why people look at the final score and determine whether a team was impressive or not, I have no idea.

 

So why do you give so much weight to the first half of a game and not the second half?

[wolf stansson]

To be fair, it was Colorado and they don't have much in the way of weapons.

One of Colorado's receivers dropped so many open balls that I swear he was point shaving. It was ridiculous.

 

I guess when I say that "Arizona State has a defense" I mean it in the sense that it will be able to keep them in games with USC, UCLA, Cal and Oregon. I'm definitely not thinking they are going to be some iron curtain shut out machine.

 

Their D-line specifically, is fantastic. Robert James is a stud.

I think its huge that the ASU offense is much more complete than it has been in years with Torrain.

Erickson says he is on the same level as the best RB's he's ever coached.

 

I like Ryan a lot, but that is just nice coach speak. No way he is anything near Steven Jackson.

Edited September 9, 2007 by wolf stansson

[Warpticon]

Florida was up 49-7 at half against Troy. Teams score in garbage time. It's the opposite of the Arkansas game last week, where they hung around until halftime and then got blown out.

 

Also, how is a 20+ point win over TCU entirely unimpressive?

 

no kidding. that will probably be the only game TCU loses all season unless they somehow make a BCS game. TCU is a very good team with a very good defense.

 

I'll admit I don't know a whole helluva lot about TCU, and looking at their schedule, they should go undefeated in the Moutain West, but I gave my reasons, and they are pretty solid reasons.

 

TCU had a 10 point lead at half, and was tied 10-10 going into the fourth. Texas didn't take a lead until TCU put the ball on the ground inside their own 15. TCU had a hundred yards in penalties, four turnovers, and three other fumbles they managed to get back on. yet Texas couldn't do much with that until the fourth quarter, instead matching TCU in sloppy play for much of the game.

 

I think I demonstrated a lack of homerism here. as a Big 10 guy, I am fine with saying that PSU's win was less than impressive. why people look at the final score and determine whether a team was impressive or not, I have no idea.

 

Because they were playing a good team. If you hadn't said it was entirely unimpressive and made it sound like they struggled against middle tennessee or something, your comment likely would have garnered less opposition.

[jjgman21]

Good point, no other team was upset last year that in in a bowl game.

 

I don't get it.

 

Rutgers, BC, Wake, Navy. If you watched the BC/WF it was close until late and using your own logic doesn't that make it a tough game?

 

admit my guilt in not knowing about this game, but my point stands. it's bad enough doing seven degrees from Kevin Bacon, but to reach into last year to do so is just lame.

 

Tenn is usually tough and plays a good schedule. Overrated, maybe but I give them credit for playing a tough team

 

doesn't change your unequal treatment of Georgia and Tennessee. you complain about the pollsters, but have no problem that Tennessee continuously is kept in the top 25 and goes to good bowl games despite 4 loss seasons. it's just not consistent.

 

It's a big rivalry game and emotion helped Marshall in the first half and talent took over in the second half

 

I think Michigan lost both their games because emotion helped App St and Oregon. why wasn't WVU just as emotional? or is it that Marshall's emotion helped them play good and WV's emotion made them play bad? whatever. are you ready to excuse OSU for playing flat against Akron under the same logic? it's a lame excuse.

 

I already explained this and conceded the point but hey, at least your consistent.

 

well you really didn't. all you did was complain that Florida is so benefitted by the pollsters, losing track of the fact that Louisville and their basketball offense/bad defense has been media darlings for two and a half seasons now.

 

now if both of us could be consistent, maybe we wouldn't have to keep arguing this garbage.

[CDBears1259]

LSU looked very good but VTech couldn't score on East Carolina so that takes a little luster off of it. Oklahoma pounding Miami was more impressive imo.

 

Of course I'm an LSU guy, but out of curiosity why, in your opinion, was OU's win more impressive? I don't see it as impressive enough to rank them ahead of LSU. OU's 2 victories are over North Texas and a not very good Miami.

 

I think a lot of good defenses would have stopped VTech. Let's face it, it's pretty much a toss up at this point but I thought that Miami looked better in week 1 than VTech did, thus my comment.

 

If LSU stuffs MTS next week defensively that will show me how good their defense is which I agree, is very very good. I do see your point about LSU playing 2 better teams overall than Oklahoma though and that does make me rethink it.

 

It's going to be a very interesting season and how it plays out should be quite fascinating.

 

Fair enough, but the U's first game was against the Marshall Herd. Also, if I were you I wouldn't use LSU's game against MTSU as a measuring stick of how good LSU's D is. That should be an absolute bloodbath.