I was on Waddle and Silvy this morning...

[chuckywang]

Called in on my way to work and got through for the first time ever.

 

Silverman was hating on Murton, saying the usual runners in scoring position garbage and comparing him to Cedeno, saying neither should ever play. So I made the usual arguments (sample size, needs to play every day etc) and the second I take a breath, they cut me off. Waddle goes on about how he likes Murton and Silvy says he's a guy who argues with other players and coaches and was only good last year "when it didn't matter."

 

Just made me wonder... are they really that dumb, or do they know that acting that dumb makes the show more interesting to more people?

 

So that was you who said that over a career, a player's avg with RISP tends towards his overall average?

[ConstableRabbit]

Called in on my way to work and got through for the first time ever.

 

Silverman was hating on Murton, saying the usual runners in scoring position garbage and comparing him to Cedeno, saying neither should ever play. So I made the usual arguments (sample size, needs to play every day etc) and the second I take a breath, they cut me off. Waddle goes on about how he likes Murton and Silvy says he's a guy who argues with other players and coaches and was only good last year "when it didn't matter."

 

Just made me wonder... are they really that dumb, or do they know that acting that dumb makes the show more interesting to more people?

 

So that was you who said that over a career, a player's avg with RISP tends towards his overall average?

 

Yes. Did I sound like a moron? :lol: I was trying to get everything in without stopping so they couldn't cut me off

[tinkerstoeverstochance]

I'll try and get us back on track. I've called the WSUX(the score) on more than one occasion. Trying to get a point across and have been mocked as an Idiot Cub Fan from Indiana, who knows nothing. and been cut off trying to explain why the host are just as much a dumb ass as I am at times. they wont fracking listen. Murphy's the biggest one to try and get a point across to.

[Soul]

I'll try and get us back on track. I've called the WSUX(the score) on more than one occasion. Trying to get a point across and have been mocked as an Idiot Cub Fan from Indiana, who knows nothing. and been cut off trying to explain why the host are just as much a dumb ass as I am at times. they wont fracking listen. Murphy's the biggest one to try and get a point across to.

 

I'm trying to say, why put yourself through that? But go ahead, call in. The point of calling is to get, well, a point across. But their job is to make sure you don't, because that will take them off point. So it's a rather contradictory exercise IMO.

[hawkeyecub]

I like Murton and want to give him a legit shot next year.

 

With that said, I do not have much faith in him at all for the remainder of this year. His approach is bad. He hasn't driven the ball with any authority (although he gave me hope with those 3 HR) and he definitely isn't going the other way. He's pulling off everything and much of the time lately, he's looked like a RH Juan Pierre minus the speed.

 

The RISP numbers don't mean that he's not "clutch" or can't be a run producer. But if you watch his AB's, I think it's plain to see that he's pressing like nobody's business when he's batting in a big spot right now. It's clear as day in my opinion.

 

Yes those stats do tend to even out over a career, but that doesn't mean you can argue that they're just a fluke right now. His approach changes even more drastically in those situations and the results show it.

[TysonCBulls423]

I like Murton and want to give him a legit shot next year.

 

With that said, I do not have much faith in him at all for the remainder of this year. His approach is bad. He hasn't driven the ball with any authority (although he gave me hope with those 3 HR) and he definitely isn't going the other way. He's pulling off everything and much of the time lately, he's looked like a RH Juan Pierre minus the speed.

 

The RISP numbers don't mean that he's not "clutch" or can't be a run producer. But if you watch his AB's, I think it's plain to see that he's pressing like nobody's business when he's batting in a big spot right now. It's clear as day in my opinion.

 

Yes those stats do tend to even out over a career, but that doesn't mean you can argue that they're just a fluke right now. His approach changes even more drastically in those situations and the results show it.

 

I agree with this assessment 100%

[Wolverineman]

I don't know if Lou is expecting Murton to hit .500, but the expectations must be insanely high. He actually gave Murton some consistent playing time recently(6th through the 20th). First 10 games he hit .315/.366/.579. He then goes 0-9 in the series against St. Louis and is sent right back to the bench. Granted they were both small sample sizes, but that's being pretty tough on the kid. He's never really been given a chance to start consistently( this year(look through his game log if you don't believe me), so it's no wonder he's been more aggressive when he has been given a chance.

 

The team's basically told him if he doesn't hit every single game he starts, he's not going to start. That makes no sense to me, but I guess if Lou's thinking he'll only be here a year or two, why should he care if he ruins the young players for the future? He won't be here to deal with it.

[hawkeyecub]

The first thing I thought about when Bruce said that Lou gets upset when Murton gets away from what makes him successful?

 

The reports that Dusty/Clines/Matthews were continuously trying to make Murton more aggressive and pull the ball more to enhance his power.

 

Now under a staff that wants him to get back to what he used to do, he's expanding his zone and rolling over everything to the left side.

[CUBZ99]

Called in on my way to work and got through for the first time ever.

 

Silverman was hating on Murton, saying the usual runners in scoring position garbage and comparing him to Cedeno, saying neither should ever play. So I made the usual arguments (sample size, needs to play every day etc) and the second I take a breath, they cut me off. Waddle goes on about how he likes Murton and Silvy says he's a guy who argues with other players and coaches and was only good last year "when it didn't matter."

 

Just made me wonder... are they really that dumb, or do they know that acting that dumb makes the show more interesting to more people?

 

I would be interested to know if that is the case. There seems to be some underlying animosity between Lou and Murton. You get the feeling that Lou would rather not play him at all. Granted he has not been performing wonderfully, this year, but he has proven that he can be a midly effective/cheap OF'er.

[NewUserName]

Called in on my way to work and got through for the first time ever.

 

Silverman was hating on Murton, saying the usual runners in scoring position garbage and comparing him to Cedeno, saying neither should ever play. So I made the usual arguments (sample size, needs to play every day etc) and the second I take a breath, they cut me off. Waddle goes on about how he likes Murton and Silvy says he's a guy who argues with other players and coaches and was only good last year "when it didn't matter."

 

Just made me wonder... are they really that dumb, or do they know that acting that dumb makes the show more interesting to more people?

 

I would be interested to know if that is the case. There seems to be some underlying animosity between Lou and Murton. You get the feeling that Lou would rather not play him at all. Granted he has not been performing wonderfully, this year, but he has proven that he can be a midly effective/cheap OF'er.

 

When Murton was hitting well before the Cardinal series a couple a times it seemed Lou went out of his way to praise him in the Pregame show on WGN radio. Also truth was he was given a opportunity while he was hitting during that stretch. I do wish he would let Murton work his way out of a slump though.

[gerby23]

The first thing I thought about when Bruce said that Lou gets upset when Murton gets away from what makes him successful?

 

The reports that Dusty/Clines/Matthews were continuously trying to make Murton more aggressive and pull the ball more to enhance his power.

 

Now under a staff that wants him to get back to what he used to do, he's expanding his zone and rolling over everything to the left side.

 

Which reminds me of the Corey Patterson "we want you to be a slap/bunt/speed guy, wait how about hitting for power, no forget that back to speed." This org. is great at jerking people around.

[Sammy Sofa]

The first thing I thought about when Bruce said that Lou gets upset when Murton gets away from what makes him successful?

 

The reports that Dusty/Clines/Matthews were continuously trying to make Murton more aggressive and pull the ball more to enhance his power.

 

Now under a staff that wants him to get back to what he used to do, he's expanding his zone and rolling over everything to the left side.

 

Which reminds me of the Corey Patterson "we want you to be a slap/bunt/speed guy, wait how about hitting for power, no forget that back to speed." This org. is great at jerking people around.

 

The problem with that is that we didn't really see Murton go for the "more aggressive" approach until this year after Dusty and co. were gone. Why would he be applying the ideas of the old coaches under the new ones when he was seemingly ignoring the old coaches when they were here?

[daske17]

Len and Bob were talking about Murton the other day, saying that he completely changed his approach when he came to spring training this year. Bob was a little taken aback that someone at Murton's age and level would so drastically change his total approach.

 

I blame Dusty. :)

[jersey cubs fan]

The first thing I thought about when Bruce said that Lou gets upset when Murton gets away from what makes him successful?

 

The reports that Dusty/Clines/Matthews were continuously trying to make Murton more aggressive and pull the ball more to enhance his power.

 

Now under a staff that wants him to get back to what he used to do, he's expanding his zone and rolling over everything to the left side.

 

Which reminds me of the Corey Patterson "we want you to be a slap/bunt/speed guy, wait how about hitting for power, no forget that back to speed." This org. is great at jerking people around.

 

The problem with that is that we didn't really see Murton go for the "more aggressive" approach until this year after Dusty and co. were gone. Why would he be applying the ideas of the old coaches under the new ones when he was seemingly ignoring the old coaches when they were here?

 

The new coaches have definitely talked about the need for more power, and I think Murton has been looking to press for power a bit this year, thinking that a .290 hitting singles hitter isn't going to cut it for Lou. Plus, I think part of the bad approach is about not getting comfortable in the lineup. He feels he has to hit big for more playing time, and a patient approach isn't really a great way to make a splash. A patient approach works best, with patience. And the Cubs have shown no patience for Murton this year, which I believe he feels necessitates a more aggressive approach.

 

Plus, a lot of the first pitch swinging is in pinch hitting duty. As an inexperienced pinch hitter, he could be dealing with the old adage of a pinch hitter having to go up there swinging. You don't see a lot of those guys working the count in their one at bat.

 

But, it's also just that his whole game is screwed up right now. The only way to fix it is more time and that probably wouldn't be able to happen until the spring (unless he plays fall ball).

[NCCubFan]

I blame Dusty. :)

I blame CT. :D

[Fred Hornkohl]

I blame Dusty. :)

I blame CT. :D

 

Master of the obvious, eh? :wink:

[gerby23]

The first thing I thought about when Bruce said that Lou gets upset when Murton gets away from what makes him successful?

 

The reports that Dusty/Clines/Matthews were continuously trying to make Murton more aggressive and pull the ball more to enhance his power.

 

Now under a staff that wants him to get back to what he used to do, he's expanding his zone and rolling over everything to the left side.

 

Which reminds me of the Corey Patterson "we want you to be a slap/bunt/speed guy, wait how about hitting for power, no forget that back to speed." This org. is great at jerking people around.

 

The problem with that is that we didn't really see Murton go for the "more aggressive" approach until this year after Dusty and co. were gone. Why would he be applying the ideas of the old coaches under the new ones when he was seemingly ignoring the old coaches when they were here?

I didn't say Dusty, I said this organization. The Patterson incident was with Dusty, but Murton's is probably with new hitting coach, trying to impress new manager, asked to do something unfamiliar at a older age than most prospects, and mot of all pressuring himself to please everyone.

I feel if he just went out and played his game--patience, gap-to-gap hitter-- whether it be 1 PA a week or 25, this whole situation would resolve itself rather quickly.

[Soul]

The first thing I thought about when Bruce said that Lou gets upset when Murton gets away from what makes him successful?

 

The reports that Dusty/Clines/Matthews were continuously trying to make Murton more aggressive and pull the ball more to enhance his power.

 

Now under a staff that wants him to get back to what he used to do, he's expanding his zone and rolling over everything to the left side.

 

Which reminds me of the Corey Patterson "we want you to be a slap/bunt/speed guy, wait how about hitting for power, no forget that back to speed." This org. is great at jerking people around.

 

The problem with that is that we didn't really see Murton go for the "more aggressive" approach until this year after Dusty and co. were gone. Why would he be applying the ideas of the old coaches under the new ones when he was seemingly ignoring the old coaches when they were here?

I didn't say Dusty, I said this organization. The Patterson incident was with Dusty, but Murton's is probably with new hitting coach, trying to impress new manager, asked to do something unfamiliar at a older age than most prospects, and mot of all pressuring himself to please everyone.

I feel if he just went out and played his game--patience, gap-to-gap hitter-- whether it be 1 PA a week or 25, this whole situation would resolve itself rather quickly.

 

I don't know what's going on anymore. I feel dizzy.