8/16 Reds (Livingston) @ Cubs (Marquis) 1:20 WGN

[C.C.]

Looks like Livingston is settling down.

[illiniguy]

3-0 Cards. Man, the Brewers are tanking.

says the cubs fan lol.

[inari]

Of course Soriano should lead off instead of Theriot /rolleyes

 

people have proven that lineup order has little affect on outcomes of games

 

Not to mention that why people have been saying this, Theriot has been terrible lately before today:

 

 

Here's his August line: .288/.306/.339

 

And here is his last 7 days:

 

.250/.241/.286

 

Both of those are coming into play today.

 

stop ruining Cynosure's perceptions of reality!

 

 

So show me your 'people' that have proven it doesn't matter who your leadoff hitter is.

 

Bill James has pretty much proven that lineup order doesn't matter.

 

Line-up order doesn't matter? Yea right! That's false, I can see the logic in the lead-off batter not mattering as much. But what you said is 100% completely false. You have to protect your best hitters, and that is a fact.

 

As long as you bunch up the good hitters, you're fine. Nothing else matters. Don't bother arguing, it's a fact.

Edited August 16, 2007 by inari

[KyHen]

It's been "proved?" If it hasn't been tested in a real-world environment I'd really like to know how it has true.

 

Maybe you can say it's a theoretical fact, but you can't really go beyond that.

[Keener98]

Of course Soriano should lead off instead of Theriot /rolleyes

 

people have proven that lineup order has little affect on outcomes of games

 

Not to mention that why people have been saying this, Theriot has been terrible lately before today:

 

 

Here's his August line: .288/.306/.339

 

And here is his last 7 days:

 

.250/.241/.286

 

Both of those are coming into play today.

 

stop ruining Cynosure's perceptions of reality!

 

 

So show me your 'people' that have proven it doesn't matter who your leadoff hitter is.

 

Bill James has pretty much proven that lineup order doesn't matter.

 

Line-up order doesn't matter? Yea right! That's false, I can see the logic in the lead-off batter not mattering as much. But what you said is 100% completely false. You have to protect your best hitters, and that is a fact.

 

Why is it fact, because you say so? Its been proven by Bill James what is so hard about understanding that?

 

Oh so tell me... it would be just as logical to bat Cedeno behind Lee as it would be to bat Ramirez behind Lee... are you dense?

 

LOL nice personal attack jackass. Why dont you try reading some of James stuff so you can comprehend somethings outside of traditional baseball think

[Cynosure]

Of course Soriano should lead off instead of Theriot /rolleyes

 

people have proven that lineup order has little affect on outcomes of games

 

Not to mention that why people have been saying this, Theriot has been terrible lately before today:

 

 

Here's his August line: .288/.306/.339

 

And here is his last 7 days:

 

.250/.241/.286

 

Both of those are coming into play today.

 

stop ruining Cynosure's perceptions of reality!

 

 

So show me your 'people' that have proven it doesn't matter who your leadoff hitter is.

 

Bill James has pretty much proven that lineup order doesn't matter.

 

Line-up order doesn't matter? Yea right! That's false, I can see the logic in the lead-off batter not mattering as much. But what you said is 100% completely false. You have to protect your best hitters, and that is a fact.

 

As long as you bunch up the good hitters, you're fine. Nothing else matters.

 

NOPE that's not what he said... he said it's been proven LINE UP ORDER DOESN'T MATTER that says nothing about bunching up the good hitters.

[Derwood]

Oh so tell me... it would be just as logical to bat Cedeno behind Lee as it would be to bat Ramirez behind Lee... are you dense?

 

because Ramirez would still be batting somewhere in the order, so his contributions will be there regardless of where he bast

[Soul]

Yay for giving back leads

[illiniguy]

I love the part of the game where we hit the ball really hard, right at the other team. The middle innings. Right before the point where our guys quit hitting it hard, the late innings.

[inari]

Of course Soriano should lead off instead of Theriot /rolleyes

 

people have proven that lineup order has little affect on outcomes of games

 

Not to mention that why people have been saying this, Theriot has been terrible lately before today:

 

 

Here's his August line: .288/.306/.339

 

And here is his last 7 days:

 

.250/.241/.286

 

Both of those are coming into play today.

 

stop ruining Cynosure's perceptions of reality!

 

 

So show me your 'people' that have proven it doesn't matter who your leadoff hitter is.

 

Bill James has pretty much proven that lineup order doesn't matter.

 

Line-up order doesn't matter? Yea right! That's false, I can see the logic in the lead-off batter not mattering as much. But what you said is 100% completely false. You have to protect your best hitters, and that is a fact.

 

As long as you bunch up the good hitters, you're fine. Nothing else matters.

 

NOPE that's not what he said... he said it's been proven LINE UP ORDER DOESN'T MATTER that says nothing about bunching up the good hitters.

 

I'm almost positive that's what he meant, as that's what Bill James says, and that's what he's been referencing.

[St.Paul Cub]

Looks like Livingston is settling down.

 

No we just had our one inning where we show a pulse completed already.

[Keener98]

Of course Soriano should lead off instead of Theriot /rolleyes

 

people have proven that lineup order has little affect on outcomes of games

 

Not to mention that why people have been saying this, Theriot has been terrible lately before today:

 

 

Here's his August line: .288/.306/.339

 

And here is his last 7 days:

 

.250/.241/.286

 

Both of those are coming into play today.

 

stop ruining Cynosure's perceptions of reality!

 

 

So show me your 'people' that have proven it doesn't matter who your leadoff hitter is.

 

Bill James has pretty much proven that lineup order doesn't matter.

 

Line-up order doesn't matter? Yea right! That's false, I can see the logic in the lead-off batter not mattering as much. But what you said is 100% completely false. You have to protect your best hitters, and that is a fact.

 

As long as you bunch up the good hitters, you're fine. Nothing else matters.

 

NOPE that's not what he said... he said it's been proven LINE UP ORDER DOESN'T MATTER that says nothing about bunching up the good hitters.

 

Yes it does, because no matter if you put the good hitters 1-4 or 6-9 it doesnt matter as long as you bunch the good hitters together

[illiniguy]

Of course Soriano should lead off instead of Theriot /rolleyes

 

people have proven that lineup order has little affect on outcomes of games

 

Not to mention that why people have been saying this, Theriot has been terrible lately before today:

 

 

Here's his August line: .288/.306/.339

 

And here is his last 7 days:

 

.250/.241/.286

 

Both of those are coming into play today.

 

stop ruining Cynosure's perceptions of reality!

 

 

So show me your 'people' that have proven it doesn't matter who your leadoff hitter is.

 

Bill James has pretty much proven that lineup order doesn't matter.

 

Line-up order doesn't matter? Yea right! That's false, I can see the logic in the lead-off batter not mattering as much. But what you said is 100% completely false. You have to protect your best hitters, and that is a fact.

 

As long as you bunch up the good hitters, you're fine. Nothing else matters.

 

NOPE that's not what he said... he said it's been proven LINE UP ORDER DOESN'T MATTER that says nothing about bunching up the good hitters.

 

Yes it does, because no matter if you put the good hitters 1-4 or 6-9 it doesnt matter as long as you bunch the good hitters together

well, it could matter in that they don't get as many at bats.

[Cynosure]

Oh so tell me... it would be just as logical to bat Cedeno behind Lee as it would be to bat Ramirez behind Lee... are you dense?

 

because Ramirez would still be batting somewhere in the order, so his contributions will be there regardless of where he bast

 

So you wouldn't complain if the batting order was:

 

Murton RF

Pitcher P

Jones CF

Kendall C

Ramirez 3B

DeRosa 2B

Soriano LF

Lee 1B

Theriot SS

 

Please honestly answer me that.

[illiniguy]

Man Soto is looking good here.

[Derwood]

the point is that 9 guys with high OBP >>>> "fast leadoff guy"/"mashers in the middle"/"bad hitters low"

[OleMissCub]

Hill is absolutely worthless.

[aerosmith21]

Pleas Hendry bring up Soto already would you for cripes sake.......Koyie is pathetic!!!

[TruffleShuffle]

So you wouldn't complain if the batting order was:

 

Murton RF

Pitcher P

Jones CF

Kendall C

Ramirez 3B

DeRosa 2B

Soriano LF

Lee 1B

Theriot SS

 

Please honestly answer me that.

 

That would be bad simply because in the long run, your inferior hitters are going to get more plate appearances than your good hitters

[vj9999]

Hill SO(TO)

[Cynosure]

So you wouldn't complain if the batting order was:

 

Murton RF

Pitcher P

Jones CF

Kendall C

Ramirez 3B

DeRosa 2B

Soriano LF

Lee 1B

Theriot SS

 

Please honestly answer me that.

 

That would be bad simply because in the long run, your inferior hitters are going to get more plate appearances than your good hitters

 

But the argument is "LINE UP ORDER DOESN'T MATTER IT'S BEEN PROVEN" because the hitters will produce somewhere else in the line up. I know it's bad but some people are to stubborn to admit it.

[Derwood]

stop screaming

[TruffleShuffle]

if only we had a catcher leading the PCL in batting average, slugging and OPS, with a .462 BA and a 1.304 OPS in August... would could call that guy up and let him play

[Cynosure]

stop screaming

 

Ahh I wasn't aware that my voice has a volume on the internet.

[illiniguy]

if only we had a catcher leading the PCL in batting average, slugging and OPS, with a .462 BA and a 1.304 OPS in August... would could call that guy up and let him play

If only. We are pissing away a division title.