Murton with men on base

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3 for 19

Far to small a sample size for that stat.

I'm not saying ba w/risp is useless but a measly 19 ab's is a bad way too judge.

 

To post on this board is it required to have a borderline insane attachment to one player?

 

What is it about his "19 ABs is a small sample size" argument that you object to?

[jyoung55]

3 for 19

Far to small a sample size for that stat.

I'm not saying ba w/risp is useless but a measly 19 ab's is a bad way too judge.

 

To post on this board is it required to have a borderline insane attachment to one player?

 

What is it about his "19 ABs is a small sample size" argument that you object to?

 

Not so much this one post as more of pointing out that among some of the recent new active posters you know who to count on for a quick argument in favor of Murt, even over Soriano, and who to indict the whole team for poor play... except little Mikey.

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3 for 19

Far to small a sample size for that stat.

I'm not saying ba w/risp is useless but a measly 19 ab's is a bad way too judge.

 

To post on this board is it required to have a borderline insane attachment to one player?

 

What is it about his "19 ABs is a small sample size" argument that you object to?

 

Not so much this one post as more of pointing out that among some of the recent new active posters you know who to count on for a quick argument in favor of Murt, even over Soriano, and who to indict the whole team for poor play... except little Mikey.

 

Little Mikey? I don't know what you're talking about. He has taken rather extreme positions with regard to Murton & Theriot, but the Fontenot backer is another guy (if Fontenot is "Little Mikey").

 

Either way - can your post be read in any way other than attacking the poster? And of all of his posts that show this "borderline insane attachment," you pick this one to attack him about?

 

Weird.

[NewUserName]

3 for 19

Far to small a sample size for that stat.

I'm not saying ba w/risp is useless but a measly 19 ab's is a bad way too judge.

 

 

Most players for their careers do not have much of a difference between hitting with runners in scoring postition and regular hitting. There are exceptions but usually not drastic. So if there is a deviance from career norms it is usually a sample size thing.

[biittner77]

Much as I like Matt Murton I dislike the idea of batting him middle of the order when his biggerst strength-OBP- is so desparately lacking at the top of the order.

[NewUserName]

Much as I like Matt Murton I dislike the idea of batting him middle of the order when his biggerst strength-OBP- is so desparately lacking at the top of the order.

 

 

Agreed. I think they should go back to the original plan of batting him 2nd.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

Much as I like Matt Murton I dislike the idea of batting him middle of the order when his biggerst strength-OBP- is so desparately lacking at the top of the order.

 

 

Agreed. I think they should go back to the original plan of batting him 2nd.

 

I remember this plan... didn't it last one day?

[CubColtPacer]

Much as I like Matt Murton I dislike the idea of batting him middle of the order when his biggerst strength-OBP- is so desparately lacking at the top of the order.

 

 

Agreed. I think they should go back to the original plan of batting him 2nd.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to that, but I don't really see much of a point either. The OBP at the top of the lineup really hasn't been a problem for the Cubs this year. It hasn't been a great success, but it hasn't been a problem (especially the 2 spot-where the Cubs have put up a .359 OBP). Jones is doing fine there right now, and Theriot will probably slide back there in 3 weeks. If the Cubs decide they need to make a change from Jones, Kendall is just as good of an option as Murton to put in that spot.

 

Again, I have no problem putting Murton there and sliding Jones down, but right now it seems like making a change just to make a change.

[Peoriaman]

Anytime Matt wants to actually get a big hit would be fine with me.

[NewUserName]

Anytime Matt wants to actually get a big hit would be fine with me.

 

 

He didnt have a good Cardinal series after having a pretty good series against the Reds. I have a feeling his playing time is about ready to take a big dip. So you should be happy.

[Keener98]

Anytime Matt wants to actually get a big hit would be fine with me.

 

Yea I know, I mean his .820 OPS in August is killing the club.

[abuck1220]

Anytime Matt wants to actually get a big hit would be fine with me.

 

Yea I know, I mean his .820 OPS in August is killing the club.

 

but what was his ops yesterday? exactly.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Doesn't matter- we all know Floyd's getting 80+% of the ABs from here on out anyway.

[Peoriaman]

I love the adorable redhead. I just wish he would get a big hit with men on base, not just get hits with the bases empty. I know the moneyball people don't care about RBI's or BA with RISP, but this guy does. :)

[Fred Hornkohl]

Murton does seem to have trouble coming up with the "clutch" hit.

 

 

Percentage of baserunners driven in........

 

04/02 - 08/21      BDI  LOB   RBI%

Floyd               34  107  0.241
Murton              11   77  0.125

CUBS               449 1836  0.196

[BigSlick]

Anytime Matt wants to actually get a big hit would be fine with me.

 

I'd much prefer many unimportant hits to few big ones.

[soapy]

Murton does seem to have trouble coming up with the "clutch" hit.

 

 

Percentage of baserunners driven in........

 

04/02 - 08/21      BDI  LOB   RBI%

Floyd               34  107  0.241
Murton              11   77  0.125

CUBS               449 1836  0.196

 

I'd be curious to see what those number look like over the course of his (brief) career. I think we all know that "clutch hitting" seems to fluctuate from year to year usually ending up about the same as the player's over all numbers.

[Peoriaman]

Murton does seem to have trouble coming up with the "clutch" hit.

 

 

Percentage of baserunners driven in........

 

04/02 - 08/21      BDI  LOB   RBI%

Floyd               34  107  0.241
Murton              11   77  0.125

CUBS               449 1836  0.196

 

I'd be curious to see what those number look like over the course of his (brief) career. I think we all know that "clutch hitting" seems to fluctuate from year to year usually ending up about the same as the player's over all numbers.

 

 

all his hitting stats have declined each of his 3 years. I am all for "career" stats, but we are in a pennant race and we need him to start hitting with men on base. Right now, he is a rally killer.

[Guest]

Hahaha, this thread is hilarious.

[Keener98]

Murton does seem to have trouble coming up with the "clutch" hit.

 

 

Percentage of baserunners driven in........

 

04/02 - 08/21      BDI  LOB   RBI%

Floyd               34  107  0.241
Murton              11   77  0.125

CUBS               449 1836  0.196

 

I'd be curious to see what those number look like over the course of his (brief) career. I think we all know that "clutch hitting" seems to fluctuate from year to year usually ending up about the same as the player's over all numbers.

 

 

all his hitting stats have declined each of his 3 years. I am all for "career" stats, but we are in a pennant race and we need him to start hitting with men on base. Right now, he is a rally killer.

 

Are you actually serious? You act as if his .820 OPS hes put up in August hasnt helped the Cubs at all. Let me ask you this, is a hit with a runner in scoring position more important than a hit that starts the rally?

[CubColtPacer]

Murton does seem to have trouble coming up with the "clutch" hit.

 

 

Percentage of baserunners driven in........

 

04/02 - 08/21      BDI  LOB   RBI%

Floyd               34  107  0.241
Murton              11   77  0.125

CUBS               449 1836  0.196

 

I'd be curious to see what those number look like over the course of his (brief) career. I think we all know that "clutch hitting" seems to fluctuate from year to year usually ending up about the same as the player's over all numbers.

 

I can't give you his RBI percentage, but here goes:

 

2005

Overall: 140 AB's, .321/.386/.521

Nobody on: 85 AB's, .388/.447/.682

Runners on: 55 AB's, .218/.297/.273

RISP: 32 AB's, .188/.317/.250

 

2006

Overall: 455 AB's, .297/.365/.444

Nobody on: 264 AB's, .318/.371/.485

Runners on: 191 AB's, .267/.357/.387

RISP: 127 AB's, .299/.389/.417

 

2007

Overall: 178 AB's, .253/.328/.371

Nobody on: 107 AB's, .271/.339/.411

Runners on: 71 AB's, .225/.313/.310

RISP: 45 AB's, .200/.294/.289

 

Career

Overall: 773 AB's, .291/.360/.441

Nobody on: 456 AB's, .320/.378/.504

Runners on: 317 AB's, .249/.337/.350

RISP: 204 AB's, .260/.357/.363

RISP/2 outs: 97 AB's, .247/.336/.320

 

I was a little surprised by these numbers. I expected to find that Murton went back and forth like most players. With only 773 AB's in his career, he still has time to do that.

However, at this point in his career he has been significantly better with nobody on the base than with runners on base. It shows up every year, and that's why there is over a 150 point difference between his career numbers with nobody on and with RISP, and almost a 200 point difference between nobody on and runners on.

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Hahaha, this thread is hilarious.

 

 

You must let things roll off your back better than I do. I find it infuriating.

[Peoriaman]

thanks Colt. Those results are more dramatic than even I imagined. He needs to pick it up if he wants to be a starting corner outfielder. That is the reality.

 

As for the earlier question, I always value high RBI guys over low RBI guys, especially for corner outfielders.

 

Again, I know moneyball guys think RBI's are insignificant, but I beg to disagree. I also realize that the moneyball guys will never come over to that way of thinking. So it goes....

[CubColtPacer]

thanks Colt. He needs to pick it up if he wants to be a startong corner outfielder. That is the reality.

 

As for the earlier question, I always value high RBI guys over low RBI guys, especially for corner outfielders.

 

Again, I know moneyball guys think RBI's are insignificant, but I beg to disagree. I also realize that the moneyball guys will never come over to that way of thinking. So it goes....

 

The Cubs have some run producers in the middle. If Murton is significantly better without runners on than with, that doesn't mean he needs to be taken out of the lineup. He just needs to moved to a spot in the lineup that will allow him to thrive (1st, 2nd, or 8th would be the 3 best spots for that). Plus there simply isn't enough data to make a definitive conclusion for his career, although the split is large enough that it will be hard to make up anytime soon.

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I love the adorable redhead. I just wish he would get a big hit with men on base, not just get hits with the bases empty. I know the moneyball people don't care about RBI's or BA with RISP, but this guy does. :)

 

You don't love him. You take every possible opportunity to knock him.