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hopefully that .318 OBP will turn out to be even worse in the big leagues, and Ankiel turns into a GlenAllen Hill type
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hopefully that .318 OBP will turn out to be even worse in the big leagues, and Ankiel turns into a GlenAllen Hill type

 

As long as he averages 1 HR and 2 RBI per game, I don't think the Cards are going to care if he only gets on base once a game.

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hopefully that .318 OBP will turn out to be even worse in the big leagues, and Ankiel turns into a GlenAllen Hill type

 

 

I'll take GlenAllen Hill with good RF defense, that's pretty much Soriano.

 

 

ok, that's not completely fair because Hill was platooned but he was a useful player.

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hopefully that .318 OBP will turn out to be even worse in the big leagues, and Ankiel turns into a GlenAllen Hill type

 

 

I'll take GlenAllen Hill with good RF defense, that's pretty much Soriano.

 

 

ok, that's not completely fair because Hill was platooned but he was a useful player.

 

I didn't realize how good Hill was during his "peak" years (which oddly came from about age 31-35). I sure hope Ankiel is never putting up an OPS+ around 125-135.

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hopefully that .318 OBP will turn out to be even worse in the big leagues, and Ankiel turns into a GlenAllen Hill type

 

 

I'll take GlenAllen Hill with good RF defense, that's pretty much Soriano.

 

 

ok, that's not completely fair because Hill was platooned but he was a useful player.

 

I didn't realize how good Hill was during his "peak" years (which oddly came from about age 31-35). I sure hope Ankiel is never putting up an OPS+ around 125-135.

He will. He plays for God's team. :pukel:

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hopefully that .318 OBP will turn out to be even worse in the big leagues, and Ankiel turns into a GlenAllen Hill type

 

 

I'll take GlenAllen Hill with good RF defense, that's pretty much Soriano.

 

 

ok, that's not completely fair because Hill was platooned but he was a useful player.

 

I didn't realize how good Hill was during his "peak" years (which oddly came from about age 31-35). I sure hope Ankiel is never putting up an OPS+ around 125-135.

He will. He plays for God's team. :pukel:

Oh yes. We have been so lucky this year. So lucky that a pitcher killed himself, our manager fell asleep drunk at the wheel, a player's drug addiction came to a head, Pujols (highest paid player) has been battling various bicep, knee and quad injuries all year, our ace (second highest paid player with fresh extension) went out for two years after opening day, our supposed number two pitcher hasn't come back from injury yet, our best set up man went out for the year in ST, our center fielder and 3rd basemen (3rd and 4th highest paid players) look like they are toast after careers filled with debilitating injuries and our front office is seemingly fighting amongst itself.

 

Oh, and I heard Rick Ankiel found a penny head's up at the beginning of the year and thats how he is hitting with such great power.

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hopefully that .318 OBP will turn out to be even worse in the big leagues, and Ankiel turns into a GlenAllen Hill type

 

 

I'll take GlenAllen Hill with good RF defense, that's pretty much Soriano.

 

 

ok, that's not completely fair because Hill was platooned but he was a useful player.

 

I didn't realize how good Hill was during his "peak" years (which oddly came from about age 31-35). I sure hope Ankiel is never putting up an OPS+ around 125-135.

He will. He plays for God's team. :pukel:

Oh yes. We have been so lucky this year. So lucky that a pitcher killed himself, our manager fell asleep drunk at the wheel, a player's drug addiction came to a head, Pujols (highest paid player) has been battling various bicep, knee and quad injuries all year, our ace (second highest paid player with fresh extension) went out for two years after opening day, our supposed number two pitcher hasn't come back from injury yet, our best set up man went out for the year in ST, our center fielder and 3rd basemen (3rd and 4th highest paid players) look like they are toast after careers filled with debilitating injuries and our front office is seemingly fighting amongst itself.

 

Oh, and I heard Rick Ankiel found a penny head's up at the beginning of the year and thats how he is hitting with such great power.

 

And despite arguably being the worst team to make the playoffs last year, it's been less than 11 months since you won the world series.

 

BTW - if the Cubs were also "unlucky" b/c a run of the mill pitcher got drunk and killed himself or b/c their manager got drunk and fell asleep at the wheel, or a backup infielder was addicted to drugs, maybe you'd get some sympathy - but those things were all brought about by the individuals involved. Oh, and our highest paid player is on the DL right now, and our 2 other great hitters have been hurt and/or recovering from a wrist injury. We haven't had our 2 best pitchers play together since 2003, and we can't apparently add payroll (not that our GM would spend it wisely) b/c we're being sold. Meanwhile, our #1 prospect is barely hitting 200 at the ML level and our manager routinely plays 3 or 4 second basemen at once.

 

Oh, and did I mention you won the world series last year? Your sob story posts aren't going to get you too far here.

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woe is me! The poor, unlucky Cardinals are a whopping 5 1/2 games out of first place. poor guys might be 2 1/2 out if they sweep the Brewers this week
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I'm clearly not asking for sympathy. I'm just pointing out they haven't been lucky since the World Series like you guys are making it out to be.

 

The Cardinals are absolute dog crap and have been for a year and a half, disregarding of course the luckiest 3 week or so stretch in baseball history last October. Acting like you're so jealous and you wish the cubs would get the breaks the Cardinals have gotten this year is ill-informed BS. Until recently, the Cubs have been very fortunate with their health.

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let's hope he gets hurt or something, it's going to be bad enough when the cardinals pass us as it is, the last thing i want to read about is rick fing ankiel leading the charge

 

Hmm...

 

What would the media play up more if the Cardinals moved into first place: Rick Ankiel's comeback or the Cardinal players doing it in the memory of Josh Hancock?

 

I'll go with the latter.

 

Winning it for Hancock and Spiezio after he relapses and ODs.

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let's hope he gets hurt or something, it's going to be bad enough when the cardinals pass us as it is, the last thing i want to read about is rick fing ankiel leading the charge

 

Hmm...

 

What would the media play up more if the Cardinals moved into first place: Rick Ankiel's comeback or the Cardinal players doing it in the memory of Josh Hancock?

 

I'll go with the latter.

 

Winning it for Hancock and Spiezio after he relapses and ODs.

 

Eeeek, too much.

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I'm clearly not asking for sympathy. I'm just pointing out they haven't been lucky since the World Series like you guys are making it out to be.

 

The Cardinals are absolute dog crap and have been for a year and a half, disregarding of course the luckiest 3 week or so stretch in baseball history last October. Acting like you're so jealous and you wish the cubs would get the breaks the Cardinals have gotten this year is ill-informed BS. Until recently, the Cubs have been very fortunate with their health.

 

hahahaha, so you're saying cardinals are absolute dogcrap except for when they won the last world series

 

im pretty sure it's completely legitimate to complain about the cardinals being lucky last year and this, especially when you see that until recently they were being outscored by nearly 100 runs on the season and remained in contention.

 

let's just look at your previous post.

 

Oh yes. We have been so lucky this year. So lucky that a pitcher killed himself, our manager fell asleep drunk at the wheel, a player's drug addiction came to a head, Pujols (highest paid player) has been battling various bicep, knee and quad injuries all year, our ace (second highest paid player with fresh extension) went out for two years after opening day, our supposed number two pitcher hasn't come back from injury yet, our best set up man went out for the year in ST, our center fielder and 3rd basemen (3rd and 4th highest paid players) look like they are toast after careers filled with debilitating injuries and our front office is seemingly fighting amongst itself.

 

pitcher killed himself, his fault

 

larussa driving drunk, his fault

 

spezio's drug addiction, his fault

 

pujols' numbers down slightly, not that big of a deal, and for the love of god look at derrek lee before you try to get sympathy there

 

carpenter has been on borrowed time forever, you were lucky to get what you did from him

 

mulder hasn't returned from a torn rotator cuff as quickly as you would like? you really expected to get a lot of him this year?

 

sorry about your setup man, ill give you that

 

your 37 year old, injury prone center fielder isn't aging particularly well? shocking.

 

and rolen looked crap at the end of last year too. he's not the same guy anymore, but that's why 8-year contracts are a bad idea.

 

the cardinals haven't really been all that unlucky this year at all, and when you look at guys like duncan who just magically start hitting with the major league team but not elsewhere, it's just silly to think that you're going to come in here and act like you've been dealt a tough hand.

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I'm clearly not asking for sympathy. I'm just pointing out they haven't been lucky since the World Series like you guys are making it out to be.

 

The Cardinals are absolute dog crap and have been for a year and a half, disregarding of course the luckiest 3 week or so stretch in baseball history last October. Acting like you're so jealous and you wish the cubs would get the breaks the Cardinals have gotten this year is ill-informed BS. Until recently, the Cubs have been very fortunate with their health.

 

hahahaha, so you're saying cardinals are absolute dogcrap except for when they won the last world series

 

im pretty sure it's completely legitimate to complain about the cardinals being lucky last year and this, especially when you see that until recently they were being outscored by nearly 100 runs on the season and remained in contention.

 

let's just look at your previous post.

 

Oh yes. We have been so lucky this year. So lucky that a pitcher killed himself, our manager fell asleep drunk at the wheel, a player's drug addiction came to a head, Pujols (highest paid player) has been battling various bicep, knee and quad injuries all year, our ace (second highest paid player with fresh extension) went out for two years after opening day, our supposed number two pitcher hasn't come back from injury yet, our best set up man went out for the year in ST, our center fielder and 3rd basemen (3rd and 4th highest paid players) look like they are toast after careers filled with debilitating injuries and our front office is seemingly fighting amongst itself.

 

pitcher killed himself, his fault

 

larussa driving drunk, his fault

 

spezio's drug addiction, his fault

 

pujols' numbers down slightly, not that big of a deal, and for the love of god look at derrek lee before you try to get sympathy there

 

carpenter has been on borrowed time forever, you were lucky to get what you did from him

 

mulder hasn't returned from a torn rotator cuff as quickly as you would like? you really expected to get a lot of him this year?

 

sorry about your setup man, ill give you that

 

your 37 year old, injury prone center fielder isn't aging particularly well? shocking.

 

and rolen looked crap at the end of last year too. he's not the same guy anymore, but that's why 8-year contracts are a bad idea.

 

the cardinals haven't really been all that unlucky this year at all, and when you look at guys like duncan who just magically start hitting with the major league team but not elsewhere, it's just silly to think that you're going to come in here and act like you've been dealt a tough hand.

 

You're dead on. Edmonds is old, Carp was always a major surgery waiting to happen.

 

As far as Rolen goes, his 2004 was an aberration. If anyone expected that was the real Scott Rolen, they were doomed to disappointment.

 

With the exception of Hancock and LaRussa (which were results of stupidity), all the bad things that happened to the Cards this year were pretty predictable.

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I'm clearly not asking for sympathy. I'm just pointing out they haven't been lucky since the World Series like you guys are making it out to be.

 

The Cardinals are absolute dog crap and have been for a year and a half, disregarding of course the luckiest 3 week or so stretch in baseball history last October. Acting like you're so jealous and you wish the cubs would get the breaks the Cardinals have gotten this year is ill-informed BS. Until recently, the Cubs have been very fortunate with their health.

 

Yeah, we're pretty fortunate to have our two franchise pitchers (one of them reduced to a relief role to salvage what there is remaining of a career once filled with potential) are sitting on the DL most of the season.

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hahahaha, so you're saying cardinals are absolute dogcrap except for when they won the last world series

Would you dispute that? They have been a horrible team since the all-star break last season. They made it into the playoffs in by far the worst division in baseball by one game then went on to completely outperform not only their season norms, but in many cases their career norms. That didn't make them a good team, as you of all people probably understand. It made them a dog crap team that got lucky.

 

 

im pretty sure it's completely legitimate to complain about the cardinals being lucky last year and this, especially when you see that until recently they were being outscored by nearly 100 runs on the season and remained in contention.

This is completely true. I never said they haven't been lucky in their record. I am completely willing to write it off as a fluke of luck. All the other crap has been completely unlucky to the organization.

hahahaha, so you're saying cardinals are absolute dogcrap except for when they won the last world series

 

im pretty sure it's completely legitimate to complain about the cardinals being lucky last year and this, especially when you see that until recently they were being outscored by nearly 100 runs on the season and remained in contention.

 

let's just look at your previous post.

 

pitcher killed himself, his fault

 

larussa driving drunk, his fault

 

spezio's drug addiction, his fault

Their fault personally, but bad luck for the organization that these tools did these things.

 

carpenter has been on borrowed time forever, you were lucky to get what you did from him

After 645.3 innings in three years, it is unreasonable to think maybe his injuries are behind him?

 

mulder hasn't returned from a torn rotator cuff as quickly as you would like? you really expected to get a lot of him this year?

I didn't expect anything good, that's for sure. I was just pointing out his injury is just as "unlucky" as Prior and Wood's. I don't think either are unlucky personally, I think it's genetics and overwork, but a lot of people here feel otherwise.

carpenter has been on borrowed time forever, you were lucky to get what you did from him

 

your 37 year old, injury prone center fielder isn't aging particularly well? shocking.

rolen looked crap at the end of last year too. he's not the same guy anymore, but that's why 8-year contracts are a bad idea.

Again, not necessarily unlucky, more an illustration that bad things do indeed happen to teams not named the Cubs. A lot of people can't seem to understand that and just sit here and whine about how bad off the Cubs have had it.

 

 

the cardinals haven't really been all that unlucky this year at all, and when you look at guys like duncan who just magically start hitting with the major league team but not elsewhere, it's just silly to think that you're going to come in here and act like you've been dealt a tough hand.

Duncan is complete inexplicable. You have me there for sure.

 

I guess using the word lucky in my original post was a very poor choice of wording because it wasn't really what I meant. What I was trying to convey is that lots of bad things have happened to them despite some people's insistence on saying that the Cardinals are always lucky and god hates the Cubs or some BS.

 

 

 

Yeah, we're pretty fortunate to have our two franchise pitchers (one of them reduced to a relief role to salvage what there is remaining of a career once filled with potential) are sitting on the DL most of the season.

Yeah because I really wouldn't care to have Darryl Kile and a fully realized potential Rick Ankiel in our rotation. Matt Morris tearing his labrum and becoming a shell of his former self was fun for all of us Cardinals fans too.

 

Stuff like this happens, stop whining.

I'm not whining about the Cardinals misfortunes so much as I'm trying to point out to you guys that it happens to everyone.

 

I guess self loathing is something you do better than self awareness though, so I'll let it drop.

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