Alfonso Soriano Is Hurt (2-4 Weeks)

[frostwyrm]

I don't think Soriano is even close to being irreplacable. He had a terrible July and we kept winning so it is possible to get by without him. It would be nice to see Murt get some time but he's been sitting long enough to cool down from his hot hitting in Iowa so I'm not sure what he would give us in his first few starts. Lou will discard him if he's not hot immediately

[soapy]

I think people are fooling themselves if they think this is anything less than devastating. I know Soriano has been cold, but he can catch fire and carry the team at any time. Also, I don't foresee Lou playing this smart and replacing Soriano with Murton. I fully expect to see DeRosa and Pagan in RF, Fontenot at 2B, and Jones in CF while Soriano is out.

 

Essentially, Lou will choose Fontenot's bat over Murton's, which is a shame (especially against LHP). I think what you saw last night when Soriano went out was how Lou is going to play things. He didn't even bring in Murton with Soriano out and a LHP on the mound. I think that says quite a bit about what he thinks of Murton at this point.

[C.C.]

Murton in left, Pie in center, DeRosa/Jacque in right, Fontenot/DeRosa at 2nd

 

I'm tired of seeing Cliff Floyd running like Barroid out there

 

This is the obvious, but these are the Cubs.

[soapy]

Murton in left, Pie in center, DeRosa/Jacque in right, Fontenot/DeRosa at 2nd

 

I'm tired of seeing Cliff Floyd running like Barroid out there

 

That's about as good as it will get.

 

I agree, but I don't think there is any chance of this happening. Remember, we need Floyd's power... :^o

[E.J.]

Murton in left, Pie in center, DeRosa/Jacque in right, Fontenot/DeRosa at 2nd

 

I'm tired of seeing Cliff Floyd running like Barroid out there

 

That's about as good as it will get.

 

I agree, but I don't think there is any chance of this happening. Remember, we need Floyd's power... :^o

 

Yep. That .388 SLG % and 4 homers he has is just awesome. We definitely need that in the lineup everyday.

[C.C.]

Now is a good time for Ram and Lee to re-discover their power stroke.

[Derwood]

have you guys been watching the last 4 months? you actually think pie and/or murton will be made starters now?

 

pie will be called up and sit on the bench. murton will continue to work his own butt groove in the pine. the everyday starting OF will be Floyd/Pagan/Jones and/or DeRosa.

 

batting order will be:

 

1. Fontenot

2. Theriot

3. Lee

4. Ramirez

5. Floyd

6. DeRosa

7. Pagan

8. Kendall

 

to think that ANY other situation is going to happen is really just being delusional. lou has shown NO signs that he will do anything but maintain the status quo with his lineup

[Soul]

Lou just said minimum 2 weeks, most likely a month.

 

Ouch! :!:

 

Yeah, I think this is a disaster. I do. This lineup is so severely underpowered now. It's incredible.

 

I think we'll start seeing the results in the W/L column at some point, sooner or later. And also, if they say Sori's out for a month, he'll probably barely make it back in for the end of September. That means he won't possibly be really ready for the playoffs if we did go.

 

This is huge IMO.

 

Is it? His hitting, especially for power, came in fits and spurts. This team, for better or for worse, has been mostly winning without a ton of home run power. I think the main key is still getting people on base out of the leadoff spot, and I don't think that's gonna be too difficult to beat THAT production from Soriano so long as they use Theriot and Murton or even Pie in the top 2 spots.

 

We'll see. I think it's likely the major replacement ABs will come from Pagan, not Pie or Murton. I don't see how that won't hurt, if indeed that's what happens.

[soapy]

have you guys been watching the last 4 months? you actually think pie and/or murton will be made starters now?

 

pie will be called up and sit on the bench. murton will continue to work his own butt groove in the pine. the everyday starting OF will be Floyd/Pagan/Jones and/or DeRosa.

 

batting order will be:

 

1. Fontenot

2. Theriot

3. Lee

4. Ramirez

5. Floyd

6. DeRosa

7. Pagan

8. Kendall

 

to think that ANY other situation is going to happen is really just being delusional. lou has shown NO signs that he will do anything but maintain the status quo with his lineup

 

what he said. i suspect pie will be called up, but probably won't play much. of course, murton must continue to be punished for towel snapping Lou in the groin (or whatever he did). hooray mediocrity!!!

[UMFan83]

Just for a little bit of perspective...

 

Murton's 2nd half line last year - .319/.390/.522

Soriano's line this year - .296/.335/.511

 

If Murton inherited 100% of the playing time, there's a decent enough chance it could actually help our team.

 

That would offset the loss in speed and his throwing arm. Their actual defense is probably a wash. Positive thinking, but there is no way Murton gets the PT. He can't even get in the game against a lefty when we lose an OF mid-game. Our best hope is that Pie is called up and hits like he did the first week after he got called up the second time.

[Cubsown2007]

All I have to say is this. Injuries happen. The difference between good teams and teams that simply get hot is that good teams find a way to win around injuries. They find a way to work around losing good players.

 

It's time to see if this is a good team or just a fun team to watch at times. The season starts now.

[Soul]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

Not saying the season is over, but what I am saying is that we will need more help from the Crew now.

 

I don't see how you take your home run leader off the club and it makes no difference, regardless of where he is hitting in the lineup. And especially when the lineup is underpowered like it is. Eventually we're going to need to muscle up some homers @ Wrigley to win -- many days at Wrigley the wind will be blowing out and the team with more power will have a decided advantage.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

That's a pretty poor extrapolation. First of all, Ramirez missing the rest of the season in that case is 5 weeks. That timeframe puts Soriano back for the last 15 or so games plus the playoffs. Also, the Cubs were way out of contention by late August of 2005. There was no reason for Ramirez to come back to play 5-10 meaningless games.

[Soul]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

That's a pretty poor extrapolation. First of all, Ramirez missing the rest of the season in that case is 5 weeks. That timeframe puts Soriano back for the last 15 or so games plus the playoffs. Also, the Cubs were way out of contention by late August of 2005. There was no reason for Ramirez to come back to play 5-10 meaningless games.

 

Yeah, but 4 weeks is probably just for the injury. Then there's the rehab, the warmup assignments (probably not in the minors in Sori's case). That'll take a couple weeks too. Then you can't expect him to be real productive the first couple weeks back, because he's rusty.

 

I dunno, I don't think it's as poor an extrapolation as you do.

[frostwyrm]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

That's a pretty poor extrapolation. First of all, Ramirez missing the rest of the season in that case is 5 weeks. That timeframe puts Soriano back for the last 15 or so games plus the playoffs. Also, the Cubs were way out of contention by late August of 2005. There was no reason for Ramirez to come back to play 5-10 meaningless games.

 

Soriano is also in much better shape than Aram was in 2005. Aram was a non-exercising doughboy with no muscle definition anywhere in his body.

[UMFan83]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

That's a pretty poor extrapolation. First of all, Ramirez missing the rest of the season in that case is 5 weeks. That timeframe puts Soriano back for the last 15 or so games plus the playoffs. Also, the Cubs were way out of contention by late August of 2005. There was no reason for Ramirez to come back to play 5-10 meaningless games.

 

And in fact, I remember that ARam was close enough to returning, that there were mumblings about him possibly being available to pinch hit that last series of the season against Houston. I remember thinking that Dusty was an idiot for even considering it, but you know of course that he was adamant on making sure that he always played his best guys for the integrity of the playoff race.

[Derwood]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

That's a pretty poor extrapolation. First of all, Ramirez missing the rest of the season in that case is 5 weeks. That timeframe puts Soriano back for the last 15 or so games plus the playoffs. Also, the Cubs were way out of contention by late August of 2005. There was no reason for Ramirez to come back to play 5-10 meaningless games.

 

Yeah, but 4 weeks is probably just for the injury. Then there's the rehab, the warmup assignments (probably not in the minors in Sori's case). That'll take a couple weeks too. Then you can't expect him to be real productive the first couple weeks back, because he's rusty.

 

I dunno, I don't think it's as poor an extrapolation as you do.

 

where are you getting 4 weeks just for the injury? I think when the team says "out for up to 4 week", they're including everything.

[Soul]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

That's a pretty poor extrapolation. First of all, Ramirez missing the rest of the season in that case is 5 weeks. That timeframe puts Soriano back for the last 15 or so games plus the playoffs. Also, the Cubs were way out of contention by late August of 2005. There was no reason for Ramirez to come back to play 5-10 meaningless games.

 

Yeah, but 4 weeks is probably just for the injury. Then there's the rehab, the warmup assignments (probably not in the minors in Sori's case). That'll take a couple weeks too. Then you can't expect him to be real productive the first couple weeks back, because he's rusty.

 

I dunno, I don't think it's as poor an extrapolation as you do.

 

where are you getting 4 weeks just for the injury? I think when the team says "out for up to 4 week", they're including everything.

 

Really? I never think that. It's almost always longer than the timeframe they give, and it's usually because the player still needs to work up to MLB-ready form after the actual injury.

[Derwood]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

That's a pretty poor extrapolation. First of all, Ramirez missing the rest of the season in that case is 5 weeks. That timeframe puts Soriano back for the last 15 or so games plus the playoffs. Also, the Cubs were way out of contention by late August of 2005. There was no reason for Ramirez to come back to play 5-10 meaningless games.

 

Yeah, but 4 weeks is probably just for the injury. Then there's the rehab, the warmup assignments (probably not in the minors in Sori's case). That'll take a couple weeks too. Then you can't expect him to be real productive the first couple weeks back, because he's rusty.

 

I dunno, I don't think it's as poor an extrapolation as you do.

 

where are you getting 4 weeks just for the injury? I think when the team says "out for up to 4 week", they're including everything.

 

Really? I never think that. It's almost always longer than the timeframe they give, and it's usually because the player still needs to work up to MLB-ready form after the actual injury.

 

I do. When they say "out 2 to 4 weeks" I assume that after that time period, he'll be back in the lineup

[frostwyrm]

ChicagoSports.com had a good point in their article today: ARam strained his left quad on Aug 24, 2005 and missed the rest of the season.

 

I think Sori's done for the year, though nobody wants to go there. To me this is as crushing as the Lee loss last year -- people tried to show statistically that it could be overcome, but in the final analysis it still did end our season.

 

That's a pretty poor extrapolation. First of all, Ramirez missing the rest of the season in that case is 5 weeks. That timeframe puts Soriano back for the last 15 or so games plus the playoffs. Also, the Cubs were way out of contention by late August of 2005. There was no reason for Ramirez to come back to play 5-10 meaningless games.

 

Yeah, but 4 weeks is probably just for the injury. Then there's the rehab, the warmup assignments (probably not in the minors in Sori's case). That'll take a couple weeks too. Then you can't expect him to be real productive the first couple weeks back, because he's rusty.

 

I dunno, I don't think it's as poor an extrapolation as you do.

 

where are you getting 4 weeks just for the injury? I think when the team says "out for up to 4 week", they're including everything.

 

Really? I never think that. It's almost always longer than the timeframe they give, and it's usually because the player still needs to work up to MLB-ready form after the actual injury.

 

I don't think he'd need more than 2 or 3 rehab games in the minors to test the quad.

[jaxxradio]

If Soriano is out for four weeks, he won't have an opportunity to play any games in the minors.. the minor league season ends on Labor Day.

[Larry Horse]

I haven't read the thread, but I'm more worried about the starting pitching after Z and Lilly.

[C.C.]

I haven't read the thread, but I'm more worried about the starting pitching after Z and Lilly.

 

Why? Marshall and Hill will be fine. Don't worry about it.

[Keener98]

I haven't read the thread, but I'm more worried about the starting pitching after Z and Lilly.

 

Why? Marshall and Hill will be fine. Don't worry about it.

 

But Marquis wont, so there is reason to have concern about our rotation.

[E.J.]

I haven't read the thread, but I'm more worried about the starting pitching after Z and Lilly.

 

Why? Marshall and Hill will be fine. Don't worry about it.

 

But Marquis wont, so there is reason to have concern about our rotation.

 

Gallagher has been pretty good at AAA. He could take Marquis' spot in the rotation.