Ideas about Murton

[jersey cubs fan]

the "greatest RF in Cubs history" notoriously missed the cut-off guy

 

You have got to be kidding me with this ridiculously overplayed "everybody is acting like he's the greatest" nonsense. You are clearly trolling here.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Outfielders are not taught to miss the first cut-off guy. The double cut is there to protect agaisnt bad throws from the outfield or the first cut-off guy missing the throw. The double cut worked, but it is a stretch beyond imagination to pretend that the outfielder is supposed to overthrow the first cut-off guy.

 

We can argue philosophical differences in how an outfielder is supposed to approach a throw like that, but either way it's a remarkably petty thing to criticize Murton for.

[seanimal]

the "greatest RF in Cubs history" notoriously missed the cut-off guy

 

You have got to be kidding me with this ridiculously overplayed "everybody is acting like he's the greatest" nonsense. You are clearly trolling here.

 

ahemsammysosaahem

[Peoriaman]

Outfielders are not taught to miss the first cut-off guy. The double cut is there to protect agaisnt bad throws from the outfield or the first cut-off guy missing the throw. The double cut worked, but it is a stretch beyond imagination to pretend that the outfielder is supposed to overthrow the first cut-off guy.

 

We can argue philosophical differences in how an outfielder is supposed to approach a throw like that, but either way it's a remarkably petty thing to criticize Murton for.

 

As I said--it wasn't a big deal. That said, it is remarkably silly to paint the throw as a good one and as an intentional overthrow.

 

 

Like it or not, managers pay attention to details and fundamental mistakes. Murton is trying to prove he belongs out there, and his defense is holding him back some. What you or I may consider petty may not be petty in major league coach's minds.

[Derwood]

the "greatest RF in Cubs history" notoriously missed the cut-off guy

 

You have got to be kidding me with this ridiculously overplayed "everybody is acting like he's the greatest" nonsense. You are clearly trolling here.

 

ahemsammysosaahem

 

thank you

[jersey cubs fan]

the "greatest RF in Cubs history" notoriously missed the cut-off guy

 

You have got to be kidding me with this ridiculously overplayed "everybody is acting like he's the greatest" nonsense. You are clearly trolling here.

 

ahemsammysosaahem

 

thank you

 

I apologize, I read that as referring to Murton being the greatest RF according to some.

[CubinNY]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

[Soul]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

[Tracer Bullet]

Outfielders are not taught to miss the first cut-off guy. The double cut is there to protect agaisnt bad throws from the outfield or the first cut-off guy missing the throw. The double cut worked, but it is a stretch beyond imagination to pretend that the outfielder is supposed to overthrow the first cut-off guy.

 

I don't think that's true. The 2nd guy serves two purposes: backup the first cut off guy on a bad throw to him, and give the OF another target if he can make a good throw to 2nd guy. It makes no sense to make the shorter throw from the OF if you can make the longer one. It's not "overthrowing" the first guy - it's throwing it to the 2nd one.

[CubinNY]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

[Tracer Bullet]

Listen, I like Murton. I hope he succeeds. But lets not try to paint everything he does as good. He had a tough game at the plate last night--as did all Cub hitters. He made a poor cut-off throw--that didn't hurt us---that isn't the end of the world. Those who paint everything Matt does as good really hurt their credibility.

 

The same approach was taken by many on Choi and look where he ended up. Let's be realistic--even optimistic-- and hope Matt does well. Let's not go overboard on trying to make him look good.

 

Are you kidding me? No one is saying he had a great night at the plate (though he got on base 33% of his PAs, which is more than several of his teammates can say). But you're claiming his OF play was poor, when it just wasn't. He made both of those plays the way he should. I didn't see the entire game, but I didn't see any plays in RF that would be a strike against him. And no one else has suggested he made bad plays. If anyone is painting this unfairly, it's you.

[jersey cubs fan]

I watched ESPN for the HD, but man, Sut had to be drunk. And he can't be more than a week away from pulling a Kiss me Suzy with what's her name, the overrated blond. He was all over her last night. I'm surprised ESPN has stuck with him this long, considering his alcohol issues.

 

And the cliches are just so freaking annoying with him. It's non-stop.

[Derwood]

I watched ESPN for the HD, but man, Sut had to be drunk. And he can't be more than a week away from pulling a Kiss me Suzy with what's her name, the overrated blond. He was all over her last night. I'm surprised ESPN has stuck with him this long, considering his alcohol issues.

 

And the cliches are just so freaking annoying with him. It's non-stop.

 

i bet erin andrews requests to stay in a different hotel than Sut whenever they're on the road

[jersey cubs fan]

Hey, why don't you climb up that ladder. Heh, don't fall. Next time you should come up here and sing the 7th inning stretch.

[woodchip2153]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

[CubinNY]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

No they're not. If Derosa catches that it's a dribble to the plate. Even a pony league's team outfielder can hit the edge of the infield on the fly. It's why you never see the firstbaseman out in the outfield on a cut to home plate.

 

Anyway, not to go off on a tanget, but after Theriot hit the combacker off of Hamels' leg, Sutt siad this gem, "That's why they have Theriot, right there. This kid can make things happen."

[SouthSideRyan]

Outfielders are not taught to miss the first cut-off guy. The double cut is there to protect agaisnt bad throws from the outfield or the first cut-off guy missing the throw. The double cut worked, but it is a stretch beyond imagination to pretend that the outfielder is supposed to overthrow the first cut-off guy.

 

I don't think that's true. The 2nd guy serves two purposes: backup the first cut off guy on a bad throw to him, and give the OF another target if he can make a good throw to 2nd guy. It makes no sense to make the shorter throw from the OF if you can make the longer one. It's not "overthrowing" the first guy - it's throwing it to the 2nd one.

 

This.

 

If you can make the throw to the 2nd guy, you make it, I'm really failing to see the rationale behind hitting the 2nd cutoff man as a bad thing.

[woodchip2153]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

No they're not. If Derosa catches that it's a dribble to the plate. Even a pony league's team outfielder can hit the edge of the infield on the fly. It's why you never see the firstbaseman out in the outfield on a cut to home plate.

 

Anyway, not to go off on a tanget, but after Theriot hit the combacker off of Hamels' leg, Sutt siad this gem, "That's why they have Theriot, right there. This kid can make things happen."

 

It's not that important, so I don't want to get in a petty argument. On a ball to the wall in right field like that the second baseman is suppose to run out to right field probably about 25' out from the dirt, the short stop should be backing him up, and the first baseman should be about 5' in front of the mound. Shorter throws mean more accurate and stronger throws. This is how I've always been taught, and I have never seen it done any differently.

 

I do agree Sut was awful last night, and was giving Theriot the Eckstein treatment.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wouldn't the first baseman be following the runner to 2nd on a double cut?

[CubinNY]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

No they're not. If Derosa catches that it's a dribble to the plate. Even a pony league's team outfielder can hit the edge of the infield on the fly. It's why you never see the firstbaseman out in the outfield on a cut to home plate.

 

Anyway, not to go off on a tanget, but after Theriot hit the combacker off of Hamels' leg, Sutt siad this gem, "That's why they have Theriot, right there. This kid can make things happen."

 

It's not that important, so I don't want to get in a petty argument. On a ball to the wall in right field like that the second baseman is suppose to run out to right field probably about 25' out from the dirt, the short stop should be backing him up, and the first baseman should be about 5' in front of the mound. Shorter throws mean more accurate and stronger throws. This is how I've always been taught, and I have never seen it done any differently.

 

I do agree Sut was awful last night, and was giving Theriot the Eckstein treatment.

 

Then you were taught poorly. Why would you expect an outfielder to only be able to throw @ 125 feet and expect an infielder to throw @ 200 feet? Remember, the throw wasn't to second or to get a man at third, it was to gun a guy down at home. Anyway, Theriot did the right thing and so did Lee following the runner to second.

[woodchip2153]

Wouldn't the first baseman be following the runner to 2nd on a double cut?

 

You're right, the first base can follow the runner, and only has to be a cutoff on hits that don't make it as far so there isn't a double cut.

[woodchip2153]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

No they're not. If Derosa catches that it's a dribble to the plate. Even a pony league's team outfielder can hit the edge of the infield on the fly. It's why you never see the firstbaseman out in the outfield on a cut to home plate.

 

Anyway, not to go off on a tanget, but after Theriot hit the combacker off of Hamels' leg, Sutt siad this gem, "That's why they have Theriot, right there. This kid can make things happen."

 

It's not that important, so I don't want to get in a petty argument. On a ball to the wall in right field like that the second baseman is suppose to run out to right field probably about 25' out from the dirt, the short stop should be backing him up, and the first baseman should be about 5' in front of the mound. Shorter throws mean more accurate and stronger throws. This is how I've always been taught, and I have never seen it done any differently.

 

I do agree Sut was awful last night, and was giving Theriot the Eckstein treatment.

 

Then you were taught poorly. Why would you expect an outfielder to only be able to throw @ 125 feet and expect an infielder to throw @ 200 feet? Remember, the throw wasn't to second or to get a man at third, it was to gun a guy down at home. Anyway, Theriot did the right thing and so did Lee following the runner to second.

 

Everybody did the right thing on that play. If Murton would have hit Derosa with his throw, Derosa would have thrown the ball approx. 125'.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's not that important, so I don't want to get in a petty argument. On a ball to the wall in right field like that the second baseman is suppose to run out to right field probably about 25' out from the dirt, the short stop should be backing him up, and the first baseman should be about 5' in front of the mound. Shorter throws mean more accurate and stronger throws. This is how I've always been taught, and I have never seen it done any differently.

 

Yeah, that would work well for little leaguers and high schoolers with weak arms, but that's going to require multiple relay throws which is going to allow any decent runner to score any time.

[Skyballer]

I'm no proffesional on outfield play but had Murton hit DeRo and not Riot, I think there would be another run, it was a strong accurate throw to the second guy who was closer to the plate than DeRo.

And any diff. in the arm strength between Riot and DeRo is marginal.