Konerko on the move?

[Soul]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

Look at their stadiums during games, they are never filled. Since Chicago is a big market i'd wager there's a bunch of scalper type of people who just buy a crapload of tickets hoping to sell them and are left with alot of extras, like they do for the Cubs, except Cubs fans actually buy most of the scalpers tickets.

 

Let me see if I understand this. You believe that scalpers -- who have a significant financial disincentive to buy tickets they can't sell -- are buying "craploads" of tickets they can't sell?

 

:shock:

 

From what I see, on the weekends they're pretty full, but during the week there are plenty of empty seats. I believe that's the case for many teams around the league, so it wouldn't be a suprise that they can still be among the higher attendance teams even with weekday 'empties.'

 

I don't see anyone outside of the Yanks and BoSox who pack their building on weekdays like the Cubs do.

[RammyFanny]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

Look at their stadiums during games, they are never filled. Since Chicago is a big market i'd wager there's a bunch of scalper type of people who just buy a crapload of tickets hoping to sell them and are left with alot of extras, like they do for the Cubs, except Cubs fans actually buy most of the scalpers tickets.

 

Let me see if I understand this. You believe that scalpers -- who have a significant financial disincentive to buy tickets they can't sell -- are buying "craploads" of tickets they can't sell?

 

:shock:

 

You don't know much about how scalpers work (my sister actually scalps tickets in Atlanta and was just talking about it with me the other day, so I have a little insight). Basically, they buy a bunch of tickets when the season starts at normal price, or if they know people, can get them a little cheaper if they buy a higher volume. Then, when gametime actually comes around however many months later, they shoot up the price (hell, look on stubhub, I paid 55$ for 20$ tickets for seats in the absolute last row in upperdeck). So basically they can afford to sell 1/2 of the tickets they purchase and still make a profit due to the increase in price they put on the tickets in relevance to the original price they purchased them at.

 

Look, i'm not saying this is 100% the reason for what i'm implying about the Sox attendance, but it adds up.

 

Edit: And when I was talking to my sister she said she had 70 tickets left (not sure how much she originally purchased) in a recent series and still made over 300$ in profit, and keep in mind we;re talking about Braves games where the seats don't exactly get filled.

[sethuel1]

He's an average pitcher and nothing more than that IMO. I really believe that this last month he's had is very much an aberration. He is not a mentally strong pitcher as there have been many, many times where he is just cruising along up until he faces batters for the 3rd time. He has a lot of pitches and I just feel he gets too cute with them at times. It does seem like in this recent hot stretch that he is finally starting to go after hitters (his K/BB ratio is among the best in the AL). However, that has always been one of his major weaknesses. There have been plenty of times where he gets 0-2 on a hitter before using up pitch after pitch to strike out a batter.

 

This is a bunch of anecdotal crap. If you look at Vazquez's stats that go along with these wild accusations you're throwing around, you'll see that his pitches per inning pitched is pretty much dead average among starters, and his "after 0-2" stats and later pitches/later innings statistics are among the best in the AL.

[Flames24Rulz]

He's an average pitcher and nothing more than that IMO. I really believe that this last month he's had is very much an aberration. He is not a mentally strong pitcher as there have been many, many times where he is just cruising along up until he faces batters for the 3rd time. He has a lot of pitches and I just feel he gets too cute with them at times. It does seem like in this recent hot stretch that he is finally starting to go after hitters (his K/BB ratio is among the best in the AL). However, that has always been one of his major weaknesses. There have been plenty of times where he gets 0-2 on a hitter before using up pitch after pitch to strike out a batter.

 

This is a bunch of anecdotal crap. If you look at Vazquez's stats that go along with these wild accusations you're throwing around, you'll see that his pitches per inning pitched is pretty much dead average among starters, and his "after 0-2" stats and later pitches/later innings statistics are among the best in the AL.

 

Not really sure how calling a post a "bunch of anecdotal crap" can make it through here but oh well. Look at his stats the last three years. ERA's of 4.91, 4.42, 4.84. ERA+'s of 92, 99, and 96. He has always had a problem of the one bad inning. You're telling me that it's a bunch of anecdotal crap that this latest stretch isn't an aberration?

 

He's a very average pitcher; nothing more and nothing less. You're going to have to do better to convince me otherwise besides saying that my post is a bunch of anecdotal crap.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's an average pitcher and nothing more than that IMO. I really believe that this last month he's had is very much an aberration. He is not a mentally strong pitcher as there have been many, many times where he is just cruising along up until he faces batters for the 3rd time. He has a lot of pitches and I just feel he gets too cute with them at times. It does seem like in this recent hot stretch that he is finally starting to go after hitters (his K/BB ratio is among the best in the AL). However, that has always been one of his major weaknesses. There have been plenty of times where he gets 0-2 on a hitter before using up pitch after pitch to strike out a batter.

 

This is a bunch of anecdotal crap. If you look at Vazquez's stats that go along with these wild accusations you're throwing around, you'll see that his pitches per inning pitched is pretty much dead average among starters, and his "after 0-2" stats and later pitches/later innings statistics are among the best in the AL.

 

Not really sure how calling a post a "bunch of anecdotal crap" can make it through here but oh well. Look at his stats the last three years. ERA's of 4.91, 4.42, 4.84. ERA+'s of 92, 99, and 96. He has always had a problem of the one bad inning. You're telling me that it's a bunch of anecdotal crap that this latest stretch isn't an aberration?

 

He's a very average pitcher; nothing more and nothing less. You're going to have to do better to convince me otherwise besides saying that my post is a bunch of anecdotal crap.

 

ERA alone isn't going to do a whole lot to prove the point. Look at his K and BB numbers, he's well above average.

[Drew Doughty]

His FIP ERA was usually good. The only bad year was the year with NYY. My guess would be that the last few years were flukes. he is possibly a little lucky this year, but he's been very unlucky the last few years. He always had good ratios, except for H/9, which isn't an entirely reliable stat (dependent on luck and defense, as well as general "stuff"). It seems much more likely to me that this is the "real" Vazquez, given how good his rates are usually.

[CoolHandLuke]

And Vazquez? I'd give up a lot to get him.

 

yuck

 

:?:

 

Vazquez is a good pitcher with a below average contract given the market. Too bad we couldn't take him on with the ownership situation, because I'd deal for him and use Marshall as a chip to get a big bat.

 

Vasquez isn't exactly "below average" when it comes to money. He's making $13 million this year and $11.5 million for each of the next 3 years. All this for a sub-.500 pitcher with a .286 BAA and 4.30 ERA. The contract is ot totally outrageous, but certainly not below average.

 

ESPN's stats page has his career BAA as .286 but that can't be right. Looking at his year by year BAA there is only one year as high as .286 and it was exactly .286. Something is wrong there. And who cares about his W%? He has a history of k'ing quite a bit of batters and not walking very many, all the while not getting hurt. His last few years his ERA was up but his periphs. were still pretty good, and I would take him in a second.

[Flames24Rulz]

He's an average pitcher and nothing more than that IMO. I really believe that this last month he's had is very much an aberration. He is not a mentally strong pitcher as there have been many, many times where he is just cruising along up until he faces batters for the 3rd time. He has a lot of pitches and I just feel he gets too cute with them at times. It does seem like in this recent hot stretch that he is finally starting to go after hitters (his K/BB ratio is among the best in the AL). However, that has always been one of his major weaknesses. There have been plenty of times where he gets 0-2 on a hitter before using up pitch after pitch to strike out a batter.

 

This is a bunch of anecdotal crap. If you look at Vazquez's stats that go along with these wild accusations you're throwing around, you'll see that his pitches per inning pitched is pretty much dead average among starters, and his "after 0-2" stats and later pitches/later innings statistics are among the best in the AL.

 

Not really sure how calling a post a "bunch of anecdotal crap" can make it through here but oh well. Look at his stats the last three years. ERA's of 4.91, 4.42, 4.84. ERA+'s of 92, 99, and 96. He has always had a problem of the one bad inning. You're telling me that it's a bunch of anecdotal crap that this latest stretch isn't an aberration?

 

He's a very average pitcher; nothing more and nothing less. You're going to have to do better to convince me otherwise besides saying that my post is a bunch of anecdotal crap.

 

ERA alone isn't going to do a whole lot to prove the point. Look at his K and BB numbers, he's well above average.

 

His K/BB ratio is good, there's no denying that. I've just never been a big fan of his. He's one of those pitchers that has tremendous potential but hasn't really lived up to it. Ask Yankees, D'Backs, and White Sox fans what they think of Vazquez and they'll all say the same thing.

 

There are more pressing needs that we need to address than starting pitching.

[jersey cubs fan]

His K/BB ratio is good, there's no denying that. I've just never been a big fan of his. He's one of those pitchers that has tremendous potential but hasn't really lived up to it. Ask Yankees, D'Backs, and White Sox fans what they think of Vazquez and they'll all say the same thing.

 

There are more pressing needs that we need to address than starting pitching.

 

My impression of Vasquez is he was really good, and did live up to his potential at a young age, but he suffered from a little burn out. He struggled for a couple years, but may be regaining his form that was lost after so many 220-240 inning seasons as a young guy.