Konerko on the move?

[inari]

ESPN Insider's rumor central reports that the Angels are making a strong push to acquire Konerko from the Sox. Konerko has a limited NTC, but the writer speculates that he would waive it to play for the Angels. According to the blurb, the Sox are deciding between trading Konerko or Jermaine Dye.

 

Interesting.

[RynoRules]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

[Warren Brusstar]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

[BDWeav71]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

 

A team with the market the size of Chicago should be doing better than just "in the upper half." It may not be pathetic, but Ryno is right, if they trade Konerko it will be on the verge of pathetic.

[Backtobanks]

ESPN Insider's rumor central reports that the Angels are making a strong push to acquire Konerko from the Sox. Konerko has a limited NTC, but the writer speculates that he would waive it to play for the Angels. According to the blurb, the Sox are deciding between trading Konerko or Jermaine Dye.

 

Interesting.

 

Personally, I think the White Sox need to make some kind of move like this. They are a bad team and they have very little hope of passing the Tigers, Indians, or Twins in the next few years. When Buerhle was in the headlines, I thought they should have traded him if they could get a good enough package for him. Nobody is going to give you much for Dye, Iguchi, or Contreras. There are problems with Vasquez (contract), Garland (knot in pitching arm), and Crede (back). Meanwhile, they will have to fill about 4-5 positions next year and 3-4 pitching spots. Now or the off season is the time to float some names like Konerko, AJ, etc. and see if you can rebuild for 2009-2010.

[CubinNY]

They just signed Mark "who's he" Burhle to show they care, I don't see them trading Paulie "better than Grace" Konerko.

[RammyFanny]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

Look at their stadiums during games, they are never filled. Since Chicago is a big market i'd wager there's a bunch of scalper type of people who just buy a crapload of tickets hoping to sell them and are left with alot of extras, like they do for the Cubs, except Cubs fans actually buy most of the scalpers tickets.

[inari]

ESPN Insider's rumor central reports that the Angels are making a strong push to acquire Konerko from the Sox. Konerko has a limited NTC, but the writer speculates that he would waive it to play for the Angels. According to the blurb, the Sox are deciding between trading Konerko or Jermaine Dye.

 

Interesting.

 

Personally, I think the White Sox need to make some kind of move like this. They are a bad team and they have very little hope of passing the Tigers, Indians, or Twins in the next few years. When Buerhle was in the headlines, I thought they should have traded him if they could get a good enough package for him. Nobody is going to give you much for Dye, Iguchi, or Contreras. There are problems with Vasquez (contract), Garland (knot in pitching arm), and Crede (back). Meanwhile, they will have to fill about 4-5 positions next year and 3-4 pitching spots. Now or the off season is the time to float some names like Konerko, AJ, etc. and see if you can rebuild for 2009-2010.

 

If you don't think they'd get much for Dye, they'd get next to nothing for Pierzynski. He's not a valuable player at this point.

 

And Vazquez? I'd give up a lot to get him.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

Attendance figures account for tickets sold, not butts in the seats. My guess is those numbers are quite skewed when a big market team goes in the tank because they're likely selling more tickets in advance.

[jersey cubs fan]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

Attendance figures account for tickets sold, not butts in the seats. My guess is those numbers are quite skewed when a big market team goes in the tank because they're likely selling more tickets in advance.

 

The highlights made it look packed last night.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And Vazquez? I'd give up a lot to get him.

 

yuck

[Transmogrified Tiger]

And Vazquez? I'd give up a lot to get him.

 

yuck

 

:?:

 

Vazquez is a good pitcher with a below average contract given the market. Too bad we couldn't take him on with the ownership situation, because I'd deal for him and use Marshall as a chip to get a big bat.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And Vazquez? I'd give up a lot to get him.

 

yuck

 

:?:

 

Vazquez is a good pitcher with a below average contract given the market. Too bad we couldn't take him on with the ownership situation, because I'd deal for him and use Marshall as a chip to get a big bat.

 

Vazquez used to be good and spent the better part of the last few seasons being mediocre at the very best. He's having a good year this year, but the 3 previous years are enough for me to say "yuck" to giving up a lot to get him.

[Backtobanks]

And Vazquez? I'd give up a lot to get him.

 

yuck

 

:?:

 

Vazquez is a good pitcher with a below average contract given the market. Too bad we couldn't take him on with the ownership situation, because I'd deal for him and use Marshall as a chip to get a big bat.

 

Vasquez isn't exactly "below average" when it comes to money. He's making $13 million this year and $11.5 million for each of the next 3 years. All this for a sub-.500 pitcher with a .286 BAA and 4.30 ERA. The contract is ot totally outrageous, but certainly not below average.

[SouthSideRyan]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

I wouldn't doubt if those attendance #s are similar to the way we "drew" 3M+ last year. Sox could be in a bad way fanbase wise come '08 if they deal Konerko and don't make a splash this offseason. Of course, dumping Konerko is a nice way to gather some money to make that splash. And the Angels are idiots for trading for a 1B.

[Derwood]

at least KW traded away a promising young lefty pitcher for no good reason

[Warren Brusstar]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

Look at their stadiums during games, they are never filled. Since Chicago is a big market i'd wager there's a bunch of scalper type of people who just buy a crapload of tickets hoping to sell them and are left with alot of extras, like they do for the Cubs, except Cubs fans actually buy most of the scalpers tickets.

 

Let me see if I understand this. You believe that scalpers -- who have a significant financial disincentive to buy tickets they can't sell -- are buying "craploads" of tickets they can't sell?

 

:shock:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

And Vazquez? I'd give up a lot to get him.

 

yuck

 

:?:

 

Vazquez is a good pitcher with a below average contract given the market. Too bad we couldn't take him on with the ownership situation, because I'd deal for him and use Marshall as a chip to get a big bat.

 

Vazquez used to be good and spent the better part of the last few seasons being mediocre at the very best. He's having a good year this year, but the 3 previous years are enough for me to say "yuck" to giving up a lot to get him.

 

Mediocre at the very best is selling him quite short. Including 2007, 4 of the past 5 years he's had at least 8+ K/9, 3 of the past 5 he's had a K/BB over 4(and another year he was over 3). He's always given up more longballs than ideal, but those are some very good peripherals. To compare, there are only a dozen MLB starters(including Vazquez) with a 4+ K/BB this year. Only 21(including him) strike out 8+ per 9 innings. Vazquez is legit.

[SouthSideRyan]

at least KW traded away a promising young lefty pitcher for no good reason

 

Refresh my memory on that.

[Flames24Rulz]

And Vazquez? I'd give up a lot to get him.

 

yuck

 

:?:

 

Vazquez is a good pitcher with a below average contract given the market. Too bad we couldn't take him on with the ownership situation, because I'd deal for him and use Marshall as a chip to get a big bat.

 

He's an average pitcher and nothing more than that IMO. I really believe that this last month he's had is very much an aberration. He is not a mentally strong pitcher as there have been many, many times where he is just cruising along up until he faces batters for the 3rd time. He has a lot of pitches and I just feel he gets too cute with them at times. It does seem like in this recent hot stretch that he is finally starting to go after hitters (his K/BB ratio is among the best in the AL). However, that has always been one of his major weaknesses. There have been plenty of times where he gets 0-2 on a hitter before using up pitch after pitch to strike out a batter.

 

Basically, I'm not really interested in him. You can do a whole lot worse than him, but I don't think it's a good sign for the pitchers market when Vazquez is the best pitcher being floated around on the trade block. Williams would be wise to trade him because of that fact. I just hope it's not to us.

Edited July 25, 2007 by Flames24Rulz

[Flames24Rulz]

If they trade Konerko their already pathetic attendance will dwindle to lows not seen since they lost tv contract back in the late-80's.

 

They're currently ranked in the upper half of per game attendance in the major leagues.

 

Just thought I'd note that. If you were aware of that before your post, we define the word "pathetic" differently.

 

Attendance figures account for tickets sold, not butts in the seats. My guess is those numbers are quite skewed when a big market team goes in the tank because they're likely selling more tickets in advance.

 

The highlights made it look packed last night.

 

For a team as bad as they are, they have filled the stadium pretty well this year.

[JonnyRed]

That would be a mistake on the Sox part. He will likely be the only "dependable" (in quotes due to his poor hitting this season) player in the sox lineup after this season. Dye is light years away from his MVP-caliber season of '06, Thome is a year closer to retirement, AJ is still a pud, and there are gaping holes everywhere else.

 

Of course, I'd welcome the move, so I can see the Sox and their fans suffer for the forseeable future.

[Derwood]

at least KW traded away a promising young lefty pitcher for no good reason

 

Refresh my memory on that.

 

inexplicably traded away Brandon McCarthy to TEX this past year

 

edited for grammar

[SouthSideRyan]

at least KW traded away a promising young lefty pitcher for no good reason

 

Refresh my memory on that.

 

inexplicably traded away Brandon McCarthy to TEX this past year

 

edited for grammar

 

McCarthy's a righty and he got a promising young lefty in return in John Danks, who's doing just as well as McCarthy this year. Though, I must admit I thought it was a dumb trade at the time cause I thought Danks was a year away, and that this should've been the Sox's last run for contention for a few years. Guess I was off on both accounts.

[Flames24Rulz]

at least KW traded away a promising young lefty pitcher for no good reason

 

Refresh my memory on that.

 

inexplicably traded away Brandon McCarthy to TEX this past year

 

edited for grammar

 

McCarthy's right-handed.