Jermaine Dye

[Soriano12]

Mateo's stuff is nowhere near that of those others players mentioned and he has never held such value either.

[CubColtPacer]

LOL...Mateo is trash.

Wow, you can't possibly be serious. He looked very good at times during his callup last year.

 

You consider a 5+ ERA and a 1.62 WHIP very good?

 

He said at times. Mateo wasn't ready for the major leagues last year, but then again neither were any of the other starters (for example, look at the difference between Marshall this year and Marshall last year). He is 24 years old and has been pretty good at every level he's been at besides his callup to the majors. Either this year or next year, he probably will be ready to contribute to a major league team as either a back of the rotation starter or a good bullpen pitcher.

[Soriano12]

LOL...Mateo is trash.

Wow, you can't possibly be serious. He looked very good at times during his callup last year.

 

You consider a 5+ ERA and a 1.62 WHIP very good?

 

He said at times. Mateo wasn't ready for the major leagues last year, but then again neither were any of the other starters (for example, look at the difference between Marshall this year and Marshall last year). He is 24 years old and has been pretty good at every level he's been at besides his callup to the majors. Either this year or next year, he probably will be ready to contribute to a major league team as either a back of the rotation starter or a good bullpen pitcher.

 

 

Which won't be enough to net Dye in this case...even packaged with Murton.

[NCCubFan]

Mateo's stuff is nowhere near that of those others players mentioned and he has never held such value either.

I'm not saying he's likely to be an ace, or the centerpiece of a major trade. I'm simply disputing your statement that he's trash, which is definitely not supported. There's a world of middle ground between being an ace and being trash.

[gflore34]

LOL...Mateo is trash.

Wow, you can't possibly be serious. He looked very good at times during his callup last year.

 

You consider a 5+ ERA and a 1.62 WHIP very good?

 

He said at times. Mateo wasn't ready for the major leagues last year, but then again neither were any of the other starters (for example, look at the difference between Marshall this year and Marshall last year). He is 24 years old and has been pretty good at every level he's been at besides his callup to the majors. Either this year or next year, he probably will be ready to contribute to a major league team as either a back of the rotation starter or a good bullpen pitcher.

 

 

Which won't be enough to net Dye in this case...even packaged with Murton.

 

Why wouldn't Murton be enough? Dye' coming off the DL, his production is down, he's potentially a 2+ month rental, just what does Williams think he's going to get?

[Soriano12]

Mateo's stuff is nowhere near that of those others players mentioned and he has never held such value either.

I'm not saying he's likely to be an ace, or the centerpiece of a major trade. I'm simply disputing your statement that he's trash, which is definitely not supported. There's a world of middle ground between being an ace and being trash.

 

I'm just trying to bring some perspective to this....you are not going to get a bat like Dye for a guy of Mateo's value. He may not be trash, but he isn't very good either and I think he is a 5 starter at best. Put yourself as a White Sox fan, and your team is in selling mode....and one of your biggest chips is Dye. My reaction to a Mateo for Dye trade would be that Mateo is trash compared to what we could/should get for Dye.

[NCCubFan]

Mateo's stuff is nowhere near that of those others players mentioned and he has never held such value either.

I'm not saying he's likely to be an ace, or the centerpiece of a major trade. I'm simply disputing your statement that he's trash, which is definitely not supported. There's a world of middle ground between being an ace and being trash.

 

I'm just trying to bring some perspective to this....you are not going to get a bat like Dye for a guy of Mateo's value. He may not be trash, but he isn't very good either and I think he is a 5 starter at best. Put yourself as a White Sox fan, and your team is in selling mode....and one of your biggest chips is Dye. My reaction to a Mateo for Dye trade would be that Mateo is trash compared to what we could/should get for Dye.

Then you shouldn't say he's trash in the first place. You can say that he's not nearly enough to get Dye without going to the extent of calling him trash. People can't read your mind, so when you say he's trash that's what people are going to think you mean.

[jersey cubs fan]

Mateo's stuff is nowhere near that of those others players mentioned and he has never held such value either.

I'm not saying he's likely to be an ace, or the centerpiece of a major trade. I'm simply disputing your statement that he's trash, which is definitely not supported. There's a world of middle ground between being an ace and being trash.

 

I'm just trying to bring some perspective to this....you are not going to get a bat like Dye for a guy of Mateo's value. He may not be trash, but he isn't very good either and I think he is a 5 starter at best. Put yourself as a White Sox fan, and your team is in selling mode....and one of your biggest chips is Dye. My reaction to a Mateo for Dye trade would be that Mateo is trash compared to what we could/should get for Dye.

 

Except that wasn't the trade you reacted to. It was Mateo and Murton for Dye, which from a Cubs perspective, would be a bad idea. Dye at his best, is probably better than Murton could every dream. But Dye is rarely at his best and is in his mid 30's now, so hoping for a resurgence isn't wise. Typical Dye isn't any better than Murton.

[Soriano12]

Mateo's stuff is nowhere near that of those others players mentioned and he has never held such value either.

I'm not saying he's likely to be an ace, or the centerpiece of a major trade. I'm simply disputing your statement that he's trash, which is definitely not supported. There's a world of middle ground between being an ace and being trash.

 

I'm just trying to bring some perspective to this....you are not going to get a bat like Dye for a guy of Mateo's value. He may not be trash, but he isn't very good either and I think he is a 5 starter at best. Put yourself as a White Sox fan, and your team is in selling mode....and one of your biggest chips is Dye. My reaction to a Mateo for Dye trade would be that Mateo is trash compared to what we could/should get for Dye.

 

Except that wasn't the trade you reacted to. It was Mateo and Murton for Dye, which from a Cubs perspective, would be a bad idea. Dye at his best, is probably better than Murton could every dream. But Dye is rarely at his best and is in his mid 30's now, so hoping for a resurgence isn't wise. Typical Dye isn't any better than Murton.

 

I don't see how that could be a bad trade at all. First off, the Cubs are never gonna really utiize Murton correctly, and I really don't see Mateo providing any value to this rotation. A lineup with Dye in RF could easly power this team deep into the playoffs. I would gladly make that sacrifice.

[CoolHandLuke]

Mateo's stuff is nowhere near that of those others players mentioned and he has never held such value either.

I'm not saying he's likely to be an ace, or the centerpiece of a major trade. I'm simply disputing your statement that he's trash, which is definitely not supported. There's a world of middle ground between being an ace and being trash.

 

I'm just trying to bring some perspective to this....you are not going to get a bat like Dye for a guy of Mateo's value. He may not be trash, but he isn't very good either and I think he is a 5 starter at best. Put yourself as a White Sox fan, and your team is in selling mode....and one of your biggest chips is Dye. My reaction to a Mateo for Dye trade would be that Mateo is trash compared to what we could/should get for Dye.

 

Except that wasn't the trade you reacted to. It was Mateo and Murton for Dye, which from a Cubs perspective, would be a bad idea. Dye at his best, is probably better than Murton could every dream. But Dye is rarely at his best and is in his mid 30's now, so hoping for a resurgence isn't wise. Typical Dye isn't any better than Murton.

 

I don't see how that could be a bad trade at all. First off, the Cubs are never gonna really utiize Murton correctly, and I really don't see Mateo providing any value to this rotation. A lineup with Dye in RF could easly power this team deep into the playoffs. I would gladly make that sacrifice.

 

Then why did you respond to the first suggestion of that deal with:

 

LOL...Mateo is trash.

?

 

Maybe instead of a mocking one liner that added nothing to the discussion you should have stated your actual opinion of the deal.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't see how that could be a bad trade at all. First off, the Cubs are never gonna really utiize Murton correctly, and I really don't see Mateo providing any value to this rotation. A lineup with Dye in RF could easly power this team deep into the playoffs. I would gladly make that sacrifice.

 

because Dye is not better than Murton right now, and it's not likely that he's going to get better

 

and then you want to add another player

[Soriano12]

Mateo's stuff is nowhere near that of those others players mentioned and he has never held such value either.

I'm not saying he's likely to be an ace, or the centerpiece of a major trade. I'm simply disputing your statement that he's trash, which is definitely not supported. There's a world of middle ground between being an ace and being trash.

 

I'm just trying to bring some perspective to this....you are not going to get a bat like Dye for a guy of Mateo's value. He may not be trash, but he isn't very good either and I think he is a 5 starter at best. Put yourself as a White Sox fan, and your team is in selling mode....and one of your biggest chips is Dye. My reaction to a Mateo for Dye trade would be that Mateo is trash compared to what we could/should get for Dye.

 

Except that wasn't the trade you reacted to. It was Mateo and Murton for Dye, which from a Cubs perspective, would be a bad idea. Dye at his best, is probably better than Murton could every dream. But Dye is rarely at his best and is in his mid 30's now, so hoping for a resurgence isn't wise. Typical Dye isn't any better than Murton.

 

I don't see how that could be a bad trade at all. First off, the Cubs are never gonna really utiize Murton correctly, and I really don't see Mateo providing any value to this rotation. A lineup with Dye in RF could easly power this team deep into the playoffs. I would gladly make that sacrifice.

 

Then why did you respond to the first suggestion of that deal with:

 

LOL...Mateo is trash.

?

 

Maybe instead of a mocking one liner that added nothing to the discussion you should have stated your actual opinion of the deal.

 

Point noted and I will add that to my Professional Message Board Posting book that I am currently working on.

[CoolHandLuke]

 

Point noted and I will add that to my Professional Message Board Posting book that I am currently working on.

 

I will be on the edge of my seat.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see how that could be a bad trade at all. First off, the Cubs are never gonna really utiize Murton correctly, and I really don't see Mateo providing any value to this rotation. A lineup with Dye in RF could easly power this team deep into the playoffs. I would gladly make that sacrifice.

 

Dye could help. But if he plays like he has so far, he won't. Dye, at his best, is much better than Murton, as I said. It's a bad trade, however, because Dye usually isn't any better than Murton, he's much older, and likely to decline. He's a free agent to be, so it's either 3 month rental or sign to a bad contract. Murton is under team control for the next 5 years and will be very affordable.

[RammyFanny]

http://msn.foxsports.com/fantasy/story/7051448

Another power broker whose name continues to float on the trade winds is Chicago outfielder Dye. Dye is hitting at a miserable .227 for the year with 16 home runs and 46 RBI, although his bat has picked up since the break (.310, four home runs, seven RBI). Rumored suitors include the aforementioned power-deprived Angels, division rival Indians and even the cross-town Cubs. Kenny Williams has had no issues making deals within the city limits, and with the team sliding down toward the AL Central cellar (3-7 in their last 10), at least one or two moves are in the offing.

[nilodnayr]

LOL...Mateo is trash.

Wow, you can't possibly be serious. He looked very good at times during his callup last year.

 

You consider a 5+ ERA and a 1.62 WHIP very good?

 

He said at times. Mateo wasn't ready for the major leagues last year, but then again neither were any of the other starters (for example, look at the difference between Marshall this year and Marshall last year). He is 24 years old and has been pretty good at every level he's been at besides his callup to the majors. Either this year or next year, he probably will be ready to contribute to a major league team as either a back of the rotation starter or a good bullpen pitcher.

 

 

Which won't be enough to net Dye in this case...even packaged with Murton.

 

Why wouldn't Murton be enough? Dye' coming off the DL, his production is down, he's potentially a 2+ month rental, just what does Williams think he's going to get?

 

He asked SD for Greene and Linbrink. But theres no way hes going to get anything like that.

[JonnyRed]

If we can let the Mateo discussion die, what would it take to get Dye? Would Eric Patterson and a second tier pitching prospect be enough?

 

In the Trib blog today, Phil Rogers questions whether KW has the balls to trade Dye to the Cubs to fill in really the only missing piece for our playoff run.

[inari]

If we can let the Mateo discussion die, what would it take to get Dye? Would Eric Patterson and a second tier pitching prospect be enough?

 

In the Trib blog today, Phil Rogers questions whether KW has the balls to trade Dye to the Cubs to fill in really the only missing piece for our playoff run.

 

If I ever found out Jim Hendry turned down the best offer for a player simply because it was from the White Sox, I'd be pretty pissed. As irrational as they sometimes are, I imagine White Sox fans would be equally pissed.

[RyneSandberg]

We sure as hell better not give away Patterson.

[JonnyRed]

We sure as hell better not give away Patterson.

 

What if Dye is the extra bat we need to make the playoffs? Would E-Pat be worth it?

[daske17]

We sure as hell better not give away Patterson.

 

What if Dye is the extra bat we need to make the playoffs? Would E-Pat be worth it?

 

The correct answer is: yes. With the emergence of Fontenot and the signing of DeRosa, I will gladly move him if Dye is the final piece of the puzzle.

[jersey cubs fan]

We sure as hell better not give away Patterson.

 

What if Dye is the extra bat we need to make the playoffs? Would E-Pat be worth it?

 

The correct answer is: yes. With the emergence of Fontenot and the signing of DeRosa, I will gladly move him if Dye is the final piece of the puzzle.

 

The problem is there's no telling if Dye can make much of a difference.

 

In his career, he's been barely above average, fantastic, and pretty bad. Right now he's terrible. If he finishes up bad or barely above average, I don't see him as an improvement over what we have. Of course if he somehow turns fantastic, that would help. But how can anybody be confident he will do that. We're not talking about a Miguel Cabrera here. This isn't a consistently productive bat that's clearly better than what the Cubs already have.

[daske17]

The problem is there's no telling if Dye can make much of a difference.

 

In his career, he's been barely above average, fantastic, and pretty bad. Right now he's terrible. If he finishes up bad or barely above average, I don't see him as an improvement over what we have. Of course if he somehow turns fantastic, that would help. But how can anybody be confident he will do that. We're not talking about a Miguel Cabrera here. This isn't a consistently productive bat that's clearly better than what the Cubs already have.

 

All excellent points, hence the "if" in my post. There isn't a clear-cut "Dear God, we need him now!" force out there on the trade market. I think that's true for all of the contending teams out there right now. Is Dye worth the risk? Yes, depending on what you give up. Currently, Floyd can barely walk, DeRosa has hammy issues and Jacques is our center fielder.

 

If Williams is willing to lower his trade demands, we should take that risk.

[YearofDaCubs]

I think that is what it comes down to. What is the cost for Dye? If it is something as much as a midlevel prospect or two, you do it. If it's something for Gallagher or Pie you do not. Floyd looked like he was going to pass out yesterday in RF. I would like to see more power coming from RF and Dye would give us that. The lack of power we have in the OF is a concern.

[UBlink]

There isn't a clear-cut "Dear God, we need him now!" force out there on the trade market. I think that's true for all of the contending teams out there right now.

 

Well, yes there are those types out there (Dunn, Griffey, Texeira), but it's kind of like my personal budget - if I want it I can't afford it and if I can afford it I don't want it.