RUMOR: Dunn to the Brewers?

[Jazz]

For crying out loud, if this isn't the most tired and beaten drum in the history of this board. Adam Dunn fetish, wow.

 

For the umpteenth time:

 

1. Dunn is an enormous defensive liability, he can only play LF and 1B--and neither very well.

 

2. Alfonso Soriano and Derrek Lee are going nowhere. and neither is changing positions.

 

3. Therefore, there is zero chance the Cubs would want Adam Dunn, irregardless of what value he may or may not have as a hitter. None. Zip.

 

How about some realistic options for once? A CF or a RF. A catcher. A middle infielder. Those are the Cubs' genuine needs.

 

Dunn can't be any worse than floyd is out there in right. And who's to say alfonso is sticking at LF, he could probably play in right, and there's no reason to think he won't move. Point is, when you're upgrading your offense as much as you are with dunn in the lineup, then you find ways to work him in.

 

The cubs are in the hunt for the best bat possible with less priority on the position at which they play. Obviously we aren't going after a 3B or 1B only guy, but if he has the ability to play in the OF, MIF, or C, then you have to assume there's a chance of adding him.

[soccer10k]

Did I say Weeks is destined to be an all star?

At age 22, Weeks posted a 1090 OPS in the PCL.

At age 24, Patterson has an .826 OPS in the PCL.

 

Think about that.

 

To answer your question, yes you did.

 

No I'm not.

 

Pagan is a 5th outfielder. Weurtz is a nice little MR who basically washes with Wise. Patterson is another little MIF who will probably never be more then a reserve.

 

Weeks, on the other hand, has big upside with a quick bat. He has some pop, and he can steal bases. He had a good year last year and is goin through some growing pains this year. He has the upside to be an all-star, meanwhile the 3 guys you mentioned have the upside of a 5th outfielder, a MR, and a utility infielder.

 

Weeks, Wise, and Gwynn and Wuertz, Patterson, and Pagan aren't even comparable. You overrate your own guys, as many fans do.

[Drew Doughty]

to be fair to reds44, "destined to" and "has the upside to" are vastly different things.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Dunn can't be any worse than floyd is out there in right.

 

Wanna bet?

 

And who's to say alfonso is sticking at LF,...

 

Lou Piniella.

[soapy]

For crying out loud, if this isn't the most tired and beaten drum in the history of this board. Adam Dunn fetish, wow.

 

For the umpteenth time:

 

1. Dunn is an enormous defensive liability, he can only play LF and 1B--and neither very well.

 

2. Alfonso Soriano and Derrek Lee are going nowhere. Neither is changing positions.

 

3. Therefore, there is zero chance the Cubs would want Adam Dunn, irregardless of what value he may or may not have as a hitter. None. Zip.

 

How about some realistic options for once? A CF or a RF. A catcher. A middle infielder. Those are the Cubs' genuine needs.

 

As for the Dunn/Brewers scenario, I like to think long-term. If the Brewers want to give away young, cheap, talent for 2 months of Adam Dunn's bat, so be it. Because there's no way they'll be able to afford him in free agency. If they sent Weeks and another young player to Cincy in this make-believe deal, Milwaukee would likely regret it for many years. So yes, I support this trade initiative.

 

[For those that may not know, it is no secret that Adam Dunn wants to play for Houston, and the Astros will have a ton of money to spend this offseason if they choose to. Lance Berkman has played RF before--were I to guess, the Astros would keep Lee in LF, move Berkman to RF, and install Dunn at 1B. That would be three nice bats to rebuild their team around.]

 

you should probably stop clicking on threads with the words "Adam" or "Dunn" in the title. just a suggestion.

[Magnetic Curses]

it's amazing how many people underrate a guy who has put up a 900+ ops the last 3 of 4 seasons. wow.

 

for the record, i like weeks, but he's having some problems. the brewers are realizing that he's not a top of the lineup hitter.

[CubinNY]

For crying out loud, if this isn't the most tired and beaten drum in the history of this board. Adam Dunn fetish, wow.

 

For the umpteenth time:

 

1. Dunn is an enormous defensive liability, he can only play LF and 1B--and neither very well.

 

2. Alfonso Soriano and Derrek Lee are going nowhere. Neither is changing positions.

 

3. Therefore, there is zero chance the Cubs would want Adam Dunn, irregardless of what value he may or may not have as a hitter. None. Zip.

 

How about some realistic options for once? A CF or a RF. A catcher. A middle infielder. Those are the Cubs' genuine needs.

 

As for the Dunn/Brewers scenario, I like to think long-term. If the Brewers want to give away young, cheap, talent for 2 months of Adam Dunn's bat, so be it. Because there's no way they'll be able to afford him in free agency. If they sent Weeks and another young player to Cincy in this make-believe deal, Milwaukee would likely regret it for many years. So yes, I support this trade initiative.

 

[For those that may not know, it is no secret that Adam Dunn wants to play for Houston, and the Astros will have a ton of money to spend this offseason if they choose to. Lance Berkman has played RF before--were I to guess, the Astros would keep Lee in LF, move Berkman to RF, and install Dunn at 1B. That would be three nice bats to rebuild their team around.]

 

you should probably stop clicking on threads with the words "Adam" or "Dunn" in the title. just a suggestion.

Personally, I like use of the word "irregardless".

[TruffleShuffle]

Did I say Weeks is destined to be an all star?

At age 22, Weeks posted a 1090 OPS in the PCL.

At age 24, Patterson has an .826 OPS in the PCL.

 

Think about that.

 

Can I also think about the sample size of Weeks (55 games)? Because his OPS the year before was 773, and his big-league OPS is 733. Which figure is a big outlier?

[TruffleShuffle]

Oh by the way, Ronny Cedeno has a .989 OPS in 60 games this year... I guess that puts him not far behind Weeks in terms of prospect status.

[RynoRules]

Soto, Murt, Petrick and Gallagher for Dunn? Too much?

[weis21]

Soto, Murt, Petrick and Gallagher for Dunn? Too much?

 

It is in my opinion. I think Gallagher is going to be really solid and I'd rather hang on to him. That said, take out Soto or Murton from your deal and I wouldn't be too upset.

[JeffH]

Soto, Murt, Petrick and Gallagher for Dunn? Too much?

 

It is in my opinion. I think Gallagher is going to be really solid and I'd rather hang on to him. That said, take out Soto or Murton from your deal and I wouldn't be too upset.

 

Petrick is the one of those four that I would be most upset to see go.

[anabiono]

Soto, Murt, Petrick and Gallagher for Dunn? Too much?

 

perfect! lets do it!

 

lol

[RynoRules]

Soto, Murt, Petrick and Gallagher for Dunn? Too much?

 

It is in my opinion. I think Gallagher is going to be really solid and I'd rather hang on to him. That said, take out Soto or Murton from your deal and I wouldn't be too upset.

 

Petrick is the one of those four that I would be most upset to see go.

 

I actually agree with that. To me he has the most upside and value insomuch as he is a power-armed reliever who is cheap and under our control for several more years.

 

Gallagher projects at best as a 3rd or 4th starter, no?

 

Soto is valuable, but you have to give up valuable commodities in order to obtain them.

 

Dunn is a major upgrade over Murt, IMO.

 

I guess I do not view those guys as untouchable commodities, though I admit I am sqeamish about both Gallagher and Petrick.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

You'd have to think any trade for an OF would include Murton from our end. Guy isn't playing now; he sure as heck won't see the field if we bring in a Dunn or Griffey, etc. Plus he's young, cheap, and has shown to be productive. The key would be passing him off to an organization that would actually value a LF who could put up an .850 OPS without tons of power...seems like Cincinnati wouldn't be on that list from everything I've read.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Gallagher projects at best as a 3rd or 4th starter, no?

 

No.

 

It's not so much that all those guys are super valuable(except Gallagher, who's the best pitching prospect in the system), but including ALL of them at once is a bit much.

[Exile on Waveland]

Gallagher projects at best as a 3rd or 4th starter, no?

 

No.

 

It's not so much that all those guys are super valuable(except Gallagher, who's the best pitching prospect in the system), but including ALL of them at once is a bit much.

 

Yeah, losing any one of those four wouldn't make me cringe -- especially in a deal for a player of Dunn's caliber -- but all four is excessive, in my opinion. Also, I would have major concerns about Dunn in RF. I'd still make the move for the offense, but 1) I think he'd be worse than Floyd; 2) Floyd is a short-term solution that should be replaced, Dunn would be in RF permanently (well, they should move Soriano to RF regardless, but doesn't seem like that's happening).

[TheDude]

Isn't Dunn a half-year rental? Why give up legitimate prospects for him then?

[Guest]

In all of these suggestions, I strongly believe Weeks is the player with the most current + future value, with one caveat. He's been battling wrist injuries the past two years, which has severely depressed his performance levels. If the overall medical report is very strong in saying he should get back to 100%, then Rickie is by far the best player in the trade. However, there's a lot of risk there if the medical report is more iffy.

 

As Cub fans right now, we know what a wrist injury can do to a player.

[Banedon]

Gotta say, I don't think the Reds are gonna trade Dunn within the division...that eliminates the Brewers and the Cubs.

[YearofDaCubs]

They are getting Weeks for Dunn. Wise isn't a bad pitcher either. I don't see it as bad as some of you do.

[nilodnayr]

For crying out loud, if this isn't the most tired and beaten drum in the history of this board. Adam Dunn fetish, wow.

 

For the umpteenth time:

 

1. Dunn is an enormous defensive liability, he can only play LF and 1B--and neither very well.

 

2. Alfonso Soriano and Derrek Lee are going nowhere. Neither is changing positions.

 

3. Therefore, there is zero chance the Cubs would want Adam Dunn, irregardless of what value he may or may not have as a hitter. None. Zip.

 

How about some realistic options for once? A CF or a RF. A catcher. A middle infielder. Those are the Cubs' genuine needs.

 

As for the Dunn/Brewers scenario, I like to think long-term. If the Brewers want to give away young, cheap, talent for 2 months of Adam Dunn's bat, so be it. Because there's no way they'll be able to afford him in free agency. If they sent Weeks and another young player to Cincy in this make-believe deal, Milwaukee would likely regret it for many years. So yes, I support this trade initiative.

 

[For those that may not know, it is no secret that Adam Dunn wants to play for Houston, and the Astros will have a ton of money to spend this offseason if they choose to. Lance Berkman has played RF before--were I to guess, the Astros would keep Lee in LF, move Berkman to RF, and install Dunn at 1B. That would be three nice bats to rebuild their team around.]

 

How will the Astros have a ton of money to spend this offseason? Jennings (5.5), Biggio (5.15), Ausmus (3.5) are the only contracts worth much that are coming off. They could DFA Ensberg, thats another 4.35, but they'll also need to sign guys to replace some of them. They payroll this year is at 88M, so unless they are going to push it up past the mid 90s I dont see how they are going to have money to sign cheap guys to replace the contracts they are losing and have enough money for Dunn.

 

Either way, I don't see how it qualifies as a ton of money (unless they trade Oswalt).

[RynoRules]

Gallagher projects at best as a 3rd or 4th starter, no?

 

No.

 

It's not so much that all those guys are super valuable(except Gallagher, who's the best pitching prospect in the system), but including ALL of them at once is a bit much.

 

Fair enough - that is why I asked.

 

OK, so what about Gallagher and Soto? Does that get it done? Reds want more?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Gallagher projects at best as a 3rd or 4th starter, no?

 

No.

 

It's not so much that all those guys are super valuable(except Gallagher, who's the best pitching prospect in the system), but including ALL of them at once is a bit much.

 

Fair enough - that is why I asked.

 

OK, so what about Gallagher and Soto? Does that get it done? Reds want more?

 

Considering it's Krivsky, but at the same time other teams are interested in Dunn, I'd start at something like Veal + Petrick with a window to get an extension for Dunn, and work from there.

[NewUserName]

For crying out loud, if this isn't the most tired and beaten drum in the history of this board. Adam Dunn fetish, wow.

 

For the umpteenth time:

 

1. Dunn is an enormous defensive liability, he can only play LF and 1B--and neither very well.

 

2. Alfonso Soriano and Derrek Lee are going nowhere. Neither is changing positions.

 

3. Therefore, there is zero chance the Cubs would want Adam Dunn, irregardless of what value he may or may not have as a hitter. None. Zip.

 

How about some realistic options for once? A CF or a RF. A catcher. A middle infielder. Those are the Cubs' genuine needs.

 

As for the Dunn/Brewers scenario, I like to think long-term. If the Brewers want to give away young, cheap, talent for 2 months of Adam Dunn's bat, so be it. Because there's no way they'll be able to afford him in free agency. If they sent Weeks and another young player to Cincy in this make-believe deal, Milwaukee would likely regret it for many years. So yes, I support this trade initiative.

 

[For those that may not know, it is no secret that Adam Dunn wants to play for Houston, and the Astros will have a ton of money to spend this offseason if they choose to. Lance Berkman has played RF before--were I to guess, the Astros would keep Lee in LF, move Berkman to RF, and install Dunn at 1B. That would be three nice bats to rebuild their team around.]

 

 

I dont agree with most of you post. I want to take a different angle though and probably come to the same conclusion about Dunn with the Cubs.

 

I think Hendry agrees with your post, So there is probably no chance of the Cubs getting Dunn.

 

I also wouldnt completely rule out Milwaukees chances on resigning Dunn if they traded for him. He would put Milwakee past the way past the Cubs in terms of lineup. Also adding Dunn would create a buzz in Milwaukee that would really give them a boost the rest of this season. If they were to be contenders for the next several years they would probably draw enough to compensate for him.

 

As for Houston, it was also widely assumed that Buerhle was going to be a Cardinal. Not the same guy but just an example of assumptions.