Players who have no business being in the majors

[CubColtPacer]

Whoever it was from Atlanta we rocked twice in a week, the dude who gave up the 3 HR to Soriano on Friday. Can't remember his name.

 

Lance Cormier

[seanimal]

Jason Kendall

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wandy Rodriguez

Woody Williams

Corey Patterson

Cliff Lee

Tim Lincecum

BY Kim

 

and

 

Every TB Devil Ray pitcher except Kasmir, Shields, and Salas

 

Wow, you sure know how to fish.

 

Funny thing is, everyone's so busy wondering about Lincecum, that the equally insane inclusion of Cliff Lee gets ignored.

[XZero771679666304]

Wandy Rodriguez

Woody Williams

Corey Patterson

Cliff Lee

Tim Lincecum

BY Kim

 

and

 

Every TB Devil Ray pitcher except Kasmir, Shields, and Salas

 

Wow, you sure know how to fish.

 

Funny thing is, everyone's so busy wondering about Lincecum, that the equally insane inclusion of Cliff Lee gets ignored.

 

I didn't ignore it. I have just decided that arguing with sunny is a Sisyphean task and didn't bother.

[Amazing_Grace]

Augie Ojeda

Jose Macias

Freddy Bynum

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't normally say stuff like this, but I'm pretty sure Jacque Jones has completely stopped trying.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't normally say stuff like this, but I'm pretty sure Jacque Jones has completely stopped trying.

 

he seemed upset with himself when he struck out last night

[Amazing_Grace]

I don't normally say stuff like this, but I'm pretty sure Jacque Jones has completely stopped trying.

 

I think he's trying harder because he wants to be traded and knows nobody wants him. He's screwed either way. If he gets traded, it's likely going to mean somebody wanted a part time player. If he stays, he gets to hear it from the Chicago fans for 1.5 more seasons, and he probably will still end up a part time player.

 

Let this be a lesson to players of MLB. If you can't take criticism and jeering when you underperform your pay, don't bother asking the Cubs for a contract. Just because the GM is an idiot and thinks you're worth 6M a year doesn't mean the fans will agree.

[CubinNY]

Koye Hill

 

Skip Shumaker

[seanimal]

day late and a dollar short, sir

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't normally say stuff like this, but I'm pretty sure Jacque Jones has completely stopped trying.

 

I think he's trying harder because he wants to be traded and knows nobody wants him. He's screwed either way. If he gets traded, it's likely going to mean somebody wanted a part time player. If he stays, he gets to hear it from the Chicago fans for 1.5 more seasons, and he probably will still end up a part time player.

 

Let this be a lesson to players of MLB. If you can't take criticism and jeering when you underperform your pay, don't bother asking the Cubs for a contract. Just because the GM is an idiot and thinks you're worth 6M a year doesn't mean the fans will agree.

 

I honestly don't see an ounce of effort out of him. He goes up there looking to make the quickest out possible.

[sweetpeteman]

Augie Ojeda

 

Freddy Bynum

 

I saw both of these guys in the same game last week (Ari at Bal, Augie on Ari Boom Boom still on the O's). I laughed.

[Warren Brusstar]

Guys that absolutely belong in the major leagues:

 

BOEAU HART

[Derwood]

MOST OF THE MINOR LEAGUERS THAT PEOPLE HERE THINK WILL SOLVE ALL THE CUBS' PROBLEMS

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Wandy Rodriguez

Woody Williams

Corey Patterson

Cliff Lee

Tim Lincecum

BY Kim

 

and

 

Every TB Devil Ray pitcher except Kasmir, Shields, and Salas

 

That Al Reyes has been a bust w/the Rays.

[Sarcastic]

Geovany Soto, Ryan Theriot, Mike Fontenot, etc.

 

No, their hotstreaks do not mean that they will make great starters. I still don't know what people like about Soto besides one good season in AAA.

[seanimal]

Geovany Soto, Ryan Theriot, Mike Fontenot, etc.

 

No, their hotstreaks do not mean that they will make great starters. I still don't know what people like about Soto besides one good season in AAA.

 

He's better than Koyie Hill.

 

That's all I got.

[Sarcastic]

Geovany Soto, Ryan Theriot, Mike Fontenot, etc.

 

No, their hotstreaks do not mean that they will make great starters. I still don't know what people like about Soto besides one good season in AAA.

 

He's better than Koyie Hill.

 

That's all I got.

 

I'll give you that. I can't believe I forgot to put Hill on my list of people not belonging in the big leagues, but I think somebody covered that already.

[jersey cubs fan]

Geovany Soto, Ryan Theriot, Mike Fontenot, etc.

 

No, their hotstreaks do not mean that they will make great starters. I still don't know what people like about Soto besides one good season in AAA.

 

Not being great starters does not mean they have no business being in the majors. That's an incredibly stupid post.

 

Soto had a good 2004 in AA, a good 2006 in AAA and is having a very good 2007 in AAA. Catchers generally take a little longer to develop. It's conceivable Soto could put up numbers between his pre 2007 minor league average .262/.344/.371 and his current numbers .324/.397/.555. If he managed to put up even his pre 2007 minor league average, he'd be doing better than what 11 NL teams are getting from their catcher spot.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Geovany Soto, Ryan Theriot, Mike Fontenot, etc.

 

No, their hotstreaks do not mean that they will make great starters. I still don't know what people like about Soto besides one good season in AAA.

 

Not being great starters does not mean they have no business being in the majors. That's an incredibly stupid post.

 

Soto had a good 2004 in AA, a good 2006 in AAA and is having a very good 2007 in AAA. Catchers generally take a little longer to develop. It's conceivable Soto could put up numbers between his pre 2007 minor league average .262/.344/.371 and his current numbers .324/.397/.555. If he managed to put up even his pre 2007 minor league average, he'd be doing better than what 11 NL teams are getting from their catcher spot.

 

Soto has always been young for his league too, this year was the first year he's been at an age appropriate level. He's always been able to take a walk, and he's a very good defender to boot.

[Sarcastic]

Geovany Soto, Ryan Theriot, Mike Fontenot, etc.

 

No, their hotstreaks do not mean that they will make great starters. I still don't know what people like about Soto besides one good season in AAA.

 

Not being great starters does not mean they have no business being in the majors. That's an incredibly stupid post.

 

Soto had a good 2004 in AA, a good 2006 in AAA and is having a very good 2007 in AAA. Catchers generally take a little longer to develop. It's conceivable Soto could put up numbers between his pre 2007 minor league average .262/.344/.371 and his current numbers .324/.397/.555. If he managed to put up even his pre 2007 minor league average, he'd be doing better than what 11 NL teams are getting from their catcher spot.

 

At this point, the Cubs don't have any better options than Soto, but his only good offensive season has come in under 200 ABs. His overall minor league record is pretty so-so. While it is conceivable that this small sample size represents his talent, and I don't deny that he is still developing as a hitter, I think some here are being a bit optimistic about his possible performance based on his plate discipline and under 200 AAA ABs. He really hasn't been a very good hitter in the minors, and it is entirely possible that he won't even be able to repeat those numbers at the major league level.

[BigbadB]

Barry Bonds

[Sarcastic]

Barry Bonds

 

Absolutely.

[jersey cubs fan]

At this point, the Cubs don't have any better options than Soto, but his only good offensive season has come in under 200 ABs. His overall minor league record is pretty so-so. While it is conceivable that this small sample size represents his talent, and I don't deny that he is still developing as a hitter, I think some here are being a bit optimistic about his possible performance based on his plate discipline and under 200 AAA ABs. He really hasn't been a very good hitter in the minors, and it is entirely possible that he won't even be able to repeat those numbers at the major league level.

 

You realize he's a catcher right?

 

If somebody is thinking he'll match his 2007 AAA numbers, they will be sorely mistaken. But that's not the only time he's put up decent minor league numbers. Again, he's a catcher. The major leagues are littered with catchers who can't even sniff Soto's minor league numbers. I don't think anybody is thinking he's a lock for 10 year starter or a good bet for a future all star game. He's a cheap alternative to what they have who actually provides some upside that nobody else on the roster provides. Even if he fails to match his pre 2007 averages, he stands a good chance of providing offense that half the league isn't getting from catcher. 8 teams are getting sub 700 OPS production from the catcher spot. Thanks to the 600 OPS by Koyie Hill and 384 OPS by Henry Blanco, the Cubs are in that group, with a line of just .236/.288/.382.

 

I would say it would actually be very difficult for Soto not to be an improvement over that.

[BigbadB]

Roger Clemens