Lou's shake-up: Guzman and his 3.18 ERA to pen

[Balsa]

Wow, what an asinine decision.

 

Guzman to the 'pen is about as stupid as it gets.

[Jon]

They'll probably give Wade Miller another chance.

 

After all, he's a "warrior".

 

Wade's ready after his "rehab." He was with the team for the Mets series.

 

It's a shame they don't realize Guzman is better than Marshall or Miller.

 

I'm sure the realize this, but they have to do something about the pen. We have no late inning setup guy. With Guzman, Wuertz, and Marmol(?) well have guys that can strike guys out in the latter innings.

And now we have no 5th starter.

 

I'd rather have a 5th starter than someone fill one of the least meaningful spots on the roster.

 

It's just a shame they manage the team based on what the media writes about. This is just the first of many over-reactions that will eventually bury this team, though.

[USSoccer]

They'll probably give Wade Miller another chance.

 

After all, he's a "warrior".

 

Wade's ready after his "rehab." He was with the team for the Mets series.

 

It's a shame they don't realize Guzman is better than Marshall or Miller.

 

I'm sure the realize this, but they have to do something about the pen. We have no late inning setup guy. With Guzman, Wuertz, and Marmol(?) well have guys that can strike guys out in the latter innings.

 

Do you seriously not realize that having a good starter is about a million times more important than having a late inning set up guy?

 

We've seen Wade Miller suck. We won't have a lead to protect trotting his soft tossing self out there every 5th day. Sean Marshall is trade bait. Guzman was doing just fine.

 

This is an idiotic, short sighted, poorly reasoned decision by an inept organization that deserves to fail.

Edited May 19, 2007 by USSoccer

[Flames24Rulz]

Sigh, I figured this would happen.

[Guest]

They'll probably give Wade Miller another chance.

 

After all, he's a "warrior".

 

Wade's ready after his "rehab." He was with the team for the Mets series.

 

It's a shame they don't realize Guzman is better than Marshall or Miller.

 

I'm sure the realize this, but they have to do something about the pen. We have no late inning setup guy. With Guzman, Wuertz, and Marmol(?) well have guys that can strike guys out in the latter innings.

And now we have no 5th starter.

 

I'd rather have a 5th starter than someone fill one of the least meaningful spots on the roster.

 

It's just a shame they manage the team based on what the media writes about. This is just the first of many over-reactions that will eventually bury this team, though.

 

It's not just that it will bury the team but that it will hinder the future and the development of Guzman.

[JeffH]

Sadly, ours is the worst organization in MLB.

 

The body of work continues to grow.

 

The case is irrefutable.

[C.C.]

They'll probably give Wade Miller another chance.

 

After all, he's a "warrior".

 

Wade's ready after his "rehab." He was with the team for the Mets series.

 

It's a shame they don't realize Guzman is better than Marshall or Miller.

 

I'm sure the realize this, but they have to do something about the pen. We have no late inning setup guy. With Guzman, Wuertz, and Marmol(?) well have guys that can strike guys out in the latter innings.

 

Do you seriously not realize that having a good starter is about a million times more important than having a late inning set up guy?

 

It's a tough call. What do we do? Just ride out Howry and Eyre all year and hope for the best?

[Jon]

Huh. Apparently the Cubs got an advanced look at the new rulebook:

 

5.12

Any run scored against a starting pitcher in the late innings will account for one run. If the offense scores a run against a relief pitcher after the start of the seventh inning, however, it counts for three runs. There will also be invisible "double runs" targets throughout the outfield starting at the beginning of the ninth inning. Hitting this target will result in each run counting as six runs.

[Sammy Sofa]

This is stupid.

 

Is Marshall going to come up? He's been pretty awesome so far this season down in the minors.

[C.C.]

Huh. Apparently the Cubs got an advanced look at the new rulebook:

 

5.12

Any run scored against a starting pitcher in the late innings will account for one run. If the offense scores a run against a relief pitcher after the start of the seventh inning, however, it counts for three runs. There will also be invisible "double runs" targets throughout the outfield starting at the beginning of the ninth inning. Hitting this target will result in each run counting as six runs.

 

Whoa! That Sox!

[USSoccer]

They'll probably give Wade Miller another chance.

 

After all, he's a "warrior".

 

Wade's ready after his "rehab." He was with the team for the Mets series.

 

It's a shame they don't realize Guzman is better than Marshall or Miller.

 

I'm sure the realize this, but they have to do something about the pen. We have no late inning setup guy. With Guzman, Wuertz, and Marmol(?) well have guys that can strike guys out in the latter innings.

 

Do you seriously not realize that having a good starter is about a million times more important than having a late inning set up guy?

 

It's a tough call. What do we do? Just ride out Howry and Eyre all year and hope for the best?

 

Gee, how about stop letting Eyre set up, use Marmol to strike guys out, and use Wuertz as the primary RH setup guy? Too logical?

 

What you don't do is sacrifice 5-6 innings of quality work so you can have 1 inning every 2-3 days while your 5th starter gets shelled over and over.

Edited May 19, 2007 by USSoccer

[Guest]

They'll probably give Wade Miller another chance.

 

After all, he's a "warrior".

 

Wade's ready after his "rehab." He was with the team for the Mets series.

 

It's a shame they don't realize Guzman is better than Marshall or Miller.

 

I'm sure the realize this, but they have to do something about the pen. We have no late inning setup guy. With Guzman, Wuertz, and Marmol(?) well have guys that can strike guys out in the latter innings.

 

Do you seriously not realize that having a good starter is about a million times more important than having a late inning set up guy?

 

It's a tough call. What do we do? Just ride out Howry and Eyre all year and hope for the best?

 

It's really not a tough call. You keep the young starting pitcher who's done well and has a high ceiling as a rotation starter where he is. I'd rather get 5-6 innings every 5 days out of Gooz. Not that hard. The worst part of this move is that with a 12 pitchers, Marmol for sure, and Guzman probably, will be forgotten. Use Wuertz more in a set-up role; Eyre has already been dropped a bit on the depth chart and Howry has shown signs of rebounding from his early struggles.

[C.C.]

This is stupid.

 

Is Marshall going to come up? He's been pretty awesome so far this season down in the minors.

 

Marshall, Lilly, and Hill in the same rotation. All three are basically the same pitches with similar styles. That would be stupid. I heard Bruce Levine said there is talk about making Demptser a starter! Now that would be stupid!

[Guest]

This is stupid.

 

Is Marshall going to come up? He's been pretty awesome so far this season down in the minors.

 

He's not striking out guys, though, making me wonder if his curve is back. As someone who likes Marshall, I can categorically say that Guzman is better.

[C.C.]

They'll probably give Wade Miller another chance.

 

After all, he's a "warrior".

 

Wade's ready after his "rehab." He was with the team for the Mets series.

 

It's a shame they don't realize Guzman is better than Marshall or Miller.

 

I'm sure the realize this, but they have to do something about the pen. We have no late inning setup guy. With Guzman, Wuertz, and Marmol(?) well have guys that can strike guys out in the latter innings.

 

Do you seriously not realize that having a good starter is about a million times more important than having a late inning set up guy?

 

It's a tough call. What do we do? Just ride out Howry and Eyre all year and hope for the best?

 

It's really not a tough call. You keep the young starting pitcher who's done well and has a high ceiling as a rotation starter where he is. I'd rather get 5-6 innings every 5 days out of Gooz. Not that hard. The worst part of this move is that with a 12 pitchers, Marmol for sure, and Guzman probably, will be forgotten. Use Wuertz more in a set-up role; Eyre has already been dropped a bit on the depth chart and Howry has shown signs of rebounding from his early struggles.

 

I'm still not sold on Howry, but I would've waited to see if he can rebound. Who knows. The move doesn't surprise me in the least bit. I saw this coming...

[CubColtPacer]

So my guess is that nobody believes Lou that he thinks the problems with cramping will continue if Guzman continues to start? I'm not sure I do either, but it has been at least 3 starts that he has had to leave in either the second half of last year or the first half of this year with cramps. I guess it is reasonable to consider that they may continue.

[windycityfan]

Relax folks. Sean Marshall should match Guzman's production (not potential) as 5th starter and Guzman should provide what Kerry Wood was 'supposed to' coming into the season.

 

All this considered, is only a matter of time until he comes back to the rotation. Being solid (so far), he's ok to move down serve elsewhere in the ailing pen.

 

Having said this, Wade Miller should be no part of this or any mix.

Edited May 19, 2007 by windycityfan

[USSoccer]

This is stupid.

 

Is Marshall going to come up? He's been pretty awesome so far this season down in the minors.

 

Marshall, Lilly, and Hill in the same rotation. All three are basically the same pitches with similar styles. That would be stupid. I heard Bruce Levine said there is talk about making Demptser a starter! Now that would be stupid!

 

So what, you want to revisit Wade F. Miller as a starter? The guy who still thinks he can throw 96 but really can't crack 88? The guy who sucked in every appearance? The guy the organization should know has no upside or future?

 

Put him in the bullpen if you don't think Howry can cut it.

[C.C.]

This is stupid.

 

Is Marshall going to come up? He's been pretty awesome so far this season down in the minors.

 

He's not striking out guys, though, making me wonder if his curve is back. As someone who likes Marshall, I can categorically say that Guzman is better.

 

There is no doubt!

[Zuzu]

Wow, what an asinine decision.

 

Guzman to the 'pen is about as stupid as it gets.

 

I agree...this is beyond stupid. Has it been decided?

[USSoccer]

Relax folks. Sean Marshall should match Guzman's production (not potential) as 5th starter and Guzman should provide what Kerry Wood was 'supposed to' coming into the season.

 

All this considered, is only a matter of time until he comes back to the rotation. Being solild (so far), he's ok to move down serve elsewhere in the ailing pen.

 

Having said this, Wade Miller should be no part of this or any mix.

 

This is so wrong it's not even funny. Marshall doesn't have close to the same kind of ability Guzman has to strike people out.

[C.C.]

This is stupid.

 

Is Marshall going to come up? He's been pretty awesome so far this season down in the minors.

 

Marshall, Lilly, and Hill in the same rotation. All three are basically the same pitches with similar styles. That would be stupid. I heard Bruce Levine said there is talk about making Demptser a starter! Now that would be stupid!

 

So what, you want to revisit Wade F. Miller as a starter? The guy who still thinks he can throw 96 but really can't crack 88? The guy who sucked in every appearance? The guy the organization should know has no upside or future?

 

Put him in the bullpen if you don't think Howry can cut it.

 

True. I don't know. I'm getting a headache and the game didn't even start yet.

[Guest]

So my guess is that nobody believes Lou that he thinks the problems with cramping will continue if Guzman continues to start? I'm not sure I do either, but it has been at least 3 starts that he has had to leave in either the second half of last year or the first half of this year with cramps. I guess it is reasonable to consider that they may continue.

 

I don't believe it. And I am pretty sure it was 2 starts - one for Iowa last season and the one on Thursday.

 

Z has had to leave as many games over the past few years because of cramping.

[windycityfan]

Marshall doesn't have close to the same kind of ability Guzman has to strike people out.

 

Who in everything that's good and holy is referring to ability? I'm talking about production. Marshall should pick up for Guzman just nicely.

Edited May 19, 2007 by windycityfan

[CubColtPacer]

So my guess is that nobody believes Lou that he thinks the problems with cramping will continue if Guzman continues to start? I'm not sure I do either, but it has been at least 3 starts that he has had to leave in either the second half of last year or the first half of this year with cramps. I guess it is reasonable to consider that they may continue.

 

I don't believe it. And I am pretty sure it was 2 starts - one for Iowa last season and the one on Thursday.

 

Z has had to leave as many games over the past few years because of cramping.

 

He had to leave the start on Sept 3 for the Cubs last year with cramping as well.