Please bench Jones

[SouthSideRyan]

Jones is garbage against lefties, he's a very useful ballplayer against righties. One who's probably worthy of starting in CF against them. But why would people possibly have a memory beyond the past 6 hours?

[ltb]

Jones is garbage against lefties, he's a very useful ballplayer against righties. One who's probably worthy of starting in CF against them. But why would people possibly have a memory beyond the past 6 hours?

 

please read the thread before you start mocking people.

jones is useless against LHP, and if lou absolutely insists on using him against them, it's better for the team if he's somehow gone.

[CubColtPacer]

Jones is garbage against lefties, he's a very useful ballplayer against righties. One who's probably worthy of starting in CF against them. But why would people possibly have a memory beyond the past 6 hours?

 

please read the thread before you start mocking people.

jones is useless against LHP, and if lou absolutely insists on using him against them, it's better for the team if he's somehow gone.

 

Lou doesn't absolutely insist it-it's simply that there's nobody else. When Soriano was playing CF, Jones was benched every time the team started against a LHP. Yesterday, he got moved down to 8th-Lou understands completely that Jones is terrible against left-handed pitching. The problem is, there is nobody to go to on the bench who is better.

[NewUserName]

Jones is garbage against lefties, he's a very useful ballplayer against righties. One who's probably worthy of starting in CF against them. But why would people possibly have a memory beyond the past 6 hours?

 

please read the thread before you start mocking people.

jones is useless against LHP, and if lou absolutely insists on using him against them, it's better for the team if he's somehow gone.

 

Lou doesn't absolutely insist it-it's simply that there's nobody else. When Soriano was playing CF, Jones was benched every time the team started against a LHP. Yesterday, he got moved down to 8th-Lou understands completely that Jones is terrible against left-handed pitching. The problem is, there is nobody to go to on the bench who is better.

 

 

I really think this is on Hendry. Floyd is a redundant player. Murton did not have drastic platoon splits last year. Jones did. We got Murton a platoon partner and not Jones.

 

The only problem I have right now is that Pie is on the team sitting the bench. If he isnt going to play send him down and bring up Walker or Pagan.

[NomarSammy]

Good heavens people......JJ has been very good this year. I just heard this weekend he leads the cubs in 2 out RBI. He had a bad game. He does not hit lefties--we all know that. I am sure Pie will soon be back to Iowa and a Right-handed option for CF will be found(maybe Angel Pagan?). But those of you who simply say just DFA him are not being very rational.

[jersey cubs fan]

Good heavens people......JJ has been very good this year.

 

Good heavens no he hasn't.

 

.270/.336/.369 is nowhere close to very good.

[CubColtPacer]

Jones is garbage against lefties, he's a very useful ballplayer against righties. One who's probably worthy of starting in CF against them. But why would people possibly have a memory beyond the past 6 hours?

 

please read the thread before you start mocking people.

jones is useless against LHP, and if lou absolutely insists on using him against them, it's better for the team if he's somehow gone.

 

Lou doesn't absolutely insist it-it's simply that there's nobody else. When Soriano was playing CF, Jones was benched every time the team started against a LHP. Yesterday, he got moved down to 8th-Lou understands completely that Jones is terrible against left-handed pitching. The problem is, there is nobody to go to on the bench who is better.

 

 

I really think this is on Hendry. Floyd is a redundant player. Murton did not have drastic platoon splits last year. Jones did. We got Murton a platoon partner and not Jones.

 

The only problem I have right now is that Pie is on the team sitting the bench. If he isnt going to play send him down and bring up Walker or Pagan.

 

At the time of course, Jones wasn't sure to be on the team this long, so there was no need to find a platoon partner with him. I'd still try to find one though, because even when you turn the job over to Pie it would be good if he didn't play against left-handers. I'm trying to think of who might be available right now.

[cubfan1955]

Jones should never face a LHP again period.

[TheDude]

you're missing a major part of the point. jones would be fine if used properly. the problem is that lou, just like dusty, refuses to do so. that .800 OPS doesn't mean much when it comes along with a terrible line against lefties (that gives a combined OPS of 730 - that's a 92 OPS+ as of this morning).

 

You are aware that the top 2 CF on the depth chart hit lefty, yeah? If you want a right-handed hitter to play CF, the only option is Theriot, generally considered last resort.

[jersey cubs fan]

At the time of course, Jones wasn't sure to be on the team this long, so there was no need to find a platoon partner with him. I'd still try to find one though, because even when you turn the job over to Pie it would be good if he didn't play against left-handers. I'm trying to think of who might be available right now.

 

That's a pretty funny defense.

 

A guy can't hit lefties and needs a platoon partner. So the GM is trying to get rid of him. And since he spent so much time trying to find anybody to take him, he didn't try to get a platoon partner. But, because nobody would take him, we have to keep him and play him everyday even though he's a blatant platoon player.

 

It's like the self fulfilling prophecy of negligent management.

 

Either way it's poor planning.

[cubweiser03]

Jones is garbage against lefties, he's a very useful ballplayer against righties. One who's probably worthy of starting in CF against them. But why would people possibly have a memory beyond the past 6 hours?

 

please read the thread before you start mocking people.

jones is useless against LHP, and if lou absolutely insists on using him against them, it's better for the team if he's somehow gone.

 

So since he is awful against 20% of the pitchers we should totally discount his production against the other 80% of pitchers and leave him on the curb.

 

Jones is awful against lefties, i wont argue that. So is Pie, hes worse. Floyd not so hot either. Ward no thanks. The team has too many lefty outfield bats, there is going to be one Lefty in the outfield unless you have DeRosa in right and they you have Izturis in SS because Theriot now moves to 2b. Its not Lou's or Jones' fault, it lies more on the doorstep of Hendry.

[CubColtPacer]

At the time of course, Jones wasn't sure to be on the team this long, so there was no need to find a platoon partner with him. I'd still try to find one though, because even when you turn the job over to Pie it would be good if he didn't play against left-handers. I'm trying to think of who might be available right now.

 

That's a pretty funny defense.

 

A guy can't hit lefties and needs a platoon partner. So the GM is trying to get rid of him. And since he spent so much time trying to find anybody to take him, he didn't try to get a platoon partner. But, because nobody would take him, we have to keep him and play him everyday even though he's a blatant platoon player.

 

It's like the self fulfilling prophecy of negligent management.

 

Either way it's poor planning.

 

It's not a defense-I agree that it was poor planning, and I hope it's corrected soon by either finding a SS (which might let Theriot play CF) or finding a RH platoon partner for CF.

[BigbadB]

At the time of course, Jones wasn't sure to be on the team this long, so there was no need to find a platoon partner with him. I'd still try to find one though, because even when you turn the job over to Pie it would be good if he didn't play against left-handers. I'm trying to think of who might be available right now.

 

That's a pretty funny defense.

 

A guy can't hit lefties and needs a platoon partner. So the GM is trying to get rid of him. And since he spent so much time trying to find anybody to take him, he didn't try to get a platoon partner. But, because nobody would take him, we have to keep him and play him everyday even though he's a blatant platoon player.

 

HAHAHA.

 

Seriously, Jacque Jones looks to me as clueless at the plate as Corey Patterson did, just with slightly better results. He hacks at everything.

 

With that said, Hendry made that bed when he signed him to a 3 year contract. The team isn't going to win or lose based on Jacque Jones being in the outfield. But, he's nothing more than a platoon player playing everyday.

[Soriano12]

Good heavens people......JJ has been very good this year. I just heard this weekend he leads the cubs in 2 out RBI. He had a bad game. He does not hit lefties--we all know that. I am sure Pie will soon be back to Iowa and a Right-handed option for CF will be found(maybe Angel Pagan?). But those of you who simply say just DFA him are not being very rational.

 

If by very good you mean just awful, then yes, I agree with you.

[NomarSammy]

i know he has had a bad couple of games, but besides that what has he done so wrong that so many people on here just hate him. I didnt really understand it last year and I still dont understand it. As of Sunday he was over.300 and like I said he led the team in RBI with 2-outs. He is versitle................other than the fact that he cannot hit lefties--what is it that he does that makes him public enemy #1. He always seems to hustle and he seems like a good team guy. I just want someone to explain to me what he has done that is so bad and keep the fact that he cannot hit lefties out of it--we all agree on that. I think even Lou does, but as of now--there are not many options

[BigbadB]

I don't hate Jones, I hate Hendry for signing him. :D

 

Actually, what drives me nuts is Jacques plate approach. It's horrible.

[jersey cubs fan]

i know he has had a bad couple of games, but besides that what has he done so wrong that so many people on here just hate him. I didnt really understand it last year and I still dont understand it. As of Sunday he was over.300 and like I said he led the team in RBI with 2-outs. He is versitle................other than the fact that he cannot hit lefties--what is it that he does that makes him public enemy #1. He always seems to hustle and he seems like a good team guy. I just want someone to explain to me what he has done that is so bad and keep the fact that he cannot hit lefties out of it--we all agree on that. I think even Lou does, but as of now--there are not many options

 

I hate that he's such a typically predictable Hendry guy (tools, but bad OBP and low production in general) and that Hendry went out and got him when they needed a completely different ballplayer. I don't hate Jones. He's far more useful than some of the other bums Hendry has brought in. He's just not good for this team, since this team was so desperate for OF production in general, and more OBP in particular.

 

The .300 average is completely meaningless and not even worth discussing. But Jones overall numbers have been bad this year. He had a brief hot streak that propped them up, but by and large, so far he's been bad.

[NomarSammy]

So he is just bad because you say so????

 

Who should have Hendry got instead of JJ??

 

Could you give some examples of people you would have rather had hendry get?

[soapy]

So he is just bad because you say so????

 

Who should have Hendry got instead of JJ??

 

Could you give some examples of people you would have rather had hendry get?

 

You aren't even paying attention. There is a plethora of evidence in Jones' career numbers that show you that he's down right terrible against LHP. It's not just, "because you say so".

 

The problem is (which people are pointing out) that the Cubs need a RH to platoon with him. Be it in CF or RF.

[Soriano12]

, but besides that what has he done so wrong that so many people on here just hate him.

 

1. Defense - Physically I think he has the talent to be a solid defender, but is error prone and while his arm is strong, it is incredibly innaccurate. Mark him down some bonehead play out there once every 2 weeks or so.

 

2. Baserunning - Enough said.

 

3. Approach at the plate. To me he doesn't even consider the situation when at the plate. High DP candidate.

 

 

Personally, I get the impression that he doesn't go thru any though process out there. I don't like him and he currently is in the way of our future, Felix Pie. I just want him to leave.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't like him

 

Shoulda just said that.

[Soriano12]

I don't like him

 

Shoulda just said that.

 

ummm, no. I gave three reasons on my opinion.

[NomarSammy]

Soapy--read the thread. I agree he should sit against lefties. I wanted other reasons--basically against right handed pitching why he should not play.

 

Soriano--what baserunning blunders has he made this year??

--he has made some great plays in center.

--how do you know what he is considering? I remember just last week he grounded out to second advancing a runner to third.

 

 

I still go back to--who should we have gotten?

[David]

So he is just bad because you say so????

 

Who should have Hendry got instead of JJ??

 

Could you give some examples of people you would have rather had hendry get?

 

You can't be serious...

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't like him

 

Shoulda just said that.

 

ummm, no. I gave three reasons on my opinion.

 

3 anecdotal reasons.