Please bench Jones

[NomarSammy]

Give me someone who makes comparable money to Jones that would be a better option for us?

 

Why can I not be serious? I am not saying he is the greatest signing ever, I just dont think he is as bad as some on here think. Just give me names of others we could have and then maybe I will "se the light"

[synergy]

Keep Jones for this year. Pie is batting .053. You really want him to take over Jones. What if Cubs fans boo Pie? Then his confidence is ruined and he becomes Corey Patterson 2.

[Soriano12]

I still go back to--who should we have gotten?

 

Ideally this problem goes back to after the 2004 season with the departure of Sammy & Alou. The Cubs needed to replace this power in the OF. Carlos Beltran would have been perfect, yet Hendry wasn't given the $$$ support mainly because of Andy MacPhail who I still loath to this day. Hendry manifested this situation with a series of stop gap veterans such as Hollandsworth, Burntiz, and Jones.

 

We have replaced this power finally with Soriano. There is no need for Jones.

Edited May 10, 2007 by Soriano12

[Soriano12]

Keep Jones for this year. Pie is batting .053. You really want him to take over Jones. What if Cubs fans boo Pie? Then his confidence is ruined and he becomes Corey Patterson 2.

 

huh?

[NewUserName]

Keep Jones for this year. Pie is batting .053. You really want him to take over Jones. What if Cubs fans boo Pie? Then his confidence is ruined and he becomes Corey Patterson 2.

 

huh?

 

Patterson never got better in his plate approach or his attitude. It took a couple of years for Cubs fans to boo Corey.

[jersey cubs fan]

Keep Jones for this year. Pie is batting .053. You really want him to take over Jones. What if Cubs fans boo Pie? Then his confidence is ruined and he becomes Corey Patterson 2.

 

huh?

 

That comes from some asinine quote by Paul Sullivan:

 

Pie has done the job defensively, but has yet to hit with any consistency and isn't going to do so from the bench. Going into Tuesday night's game, Pie was batting .053 (1-for-19) with two-strikes, third-worst among National League hitters.

 

Sullivan pointlessly threw in Pie's numbers with 2 strikes as a reason why he shouldn't be playing.

[David]

Keep Jones for this year. Pie is batting .053. You really want him to take over Jones. What if Cubs fans boo Pie? Then his confidence is ruined and he becomes Corey Patterson 2.

 

huh?

 

That comes from some asinine quote by Paul Sullivan:

 

Pie has done the job defensively, but has yet to hit with any consistency and isn't going to do so from the bench. Going into Tuesday night's game, Pie was batting .053 (1-for-19) with two-strikes, third-worst among National League hitters.

 

Sullivan pointlessly threw in Pie's numbers with 2 strikes as a reason why he shouldn't be playing.

 

Wow. WTH?

 

That's about the dumbest use of statistics I've ever seen. I can't believe even he would do that.

 

Again, WTH?

 

I'm at a loss for words.

[Guest]

Keep Jones for this year. Pie is batting .053. You really want him to take over Jones. What if Cubs fans boo Pie? Then his confidence is ruined and he becomes Corey Patterson 2.

 

huh?

 

Patterson never got better in his plate approach or his attitude. It took a couple of years for Cubs fans to boo Corey.

 

Patterson was not ruined by booing and neither will Felix be. What's Jones slugging this year? About .350? Is that reason enough to not want him in the OF?

[Banedon]

Jones is on the bench today for Pagan.

[Magnetic Curses]

i didn't like the jones signing at first, but he's surprised me, and his discipline has been much better this season although his power hasn't been there.

 

i have no real complaints about him. his k/bb is 13/9 in 123 TPA.

[Guest]

Jones is on the bench today for Pagan.

 

Pagan? Dear God, I thought we were rid of him. Did Pie get sent down at least?

[Magnetic Curses]

Jones is on the bench today for Pagan.

 

Pagan? Dear God, I thought we were rid of him. Did Pie get sent down at least?

 

yep.

[ltb]

You are aware that the top 2 CF on the depth chart hit lefty, yeah? If you want a right-handed hitter to play CF, the only option is Theriot, generally considered last resort.

 

don't patronize me.

 

i am completely aware that we have a lot of left-handed bats (and not once did i say i wanted a right-hander in CF - i don't care. don't put words in my mouth). the fact of the matter is that pie could potentially hit them (but a moot point now that he was optioned). jones has proven over the course of his entire major league career that he can not.

[CubColtPacer]

You are aware that the top 2 CF on the depth chart hit lefty, yeah? If you want a right-handed hitter to play CF, the only option is Theriot, generally considered last resort.

 

don't patronize me.

 

i am completely aware that we have a lot of left-handed bats (and not once did i say i wanted a right-hander in CF - i don't care. don't put words in my mouth). the fact of the matter is that pie could potentially hit them (but a moot point now that he was optioned). jones has proven over the course of his entire major league career that he can not.

 

IIRC, Jones had a higher OPS in the majors against LHP last year then Pie did against them at Triple A. Maybe Pie will learn to hit them later in his career, but playing Pie against left-handers right now would not produce good results.

[RegulusBlue]

Jones, Eyre, and Izturis for someone who can actually hit a baseball.

 

Any takers?

[TruffleShuffle]

Jacque misplays balls in CF, doesn't have great range, and he still can't throw. He has the worst plate approach of anyone on earth, and he is just an all around bad player.

 

Pie needs to play, so why don't we? Just let him try and figure this place out, so we have an actual CF who might be able to hit.

 

If Cy Marquis wasn't on the mound, we might have lost due to his 9 LOB. Nine?!?! Holy crap, please mail him to outer space.

 

so you make excuses for Murton no matter what, but when Jones plays poorly against pitchers he has no business playing against - because he's always, always, ALWAYS been unable to hit LHP - you say he should never play again. Makes a bunch of sense.

[TruffleShuffle]

Jones, Eyre, and Izturis for someone who can actually hit a baseball.

 

Any takers?

 

let's also trade for someone who can lay off a first pitch can catch a ball in rightfield

[TruffleShuffle]

Jock against RHP:

 

2002: 333/372/580/952

2003: 317/342/492/834

2004: 258/310/465/775

2005: 268/348/466/814

2006: 303/358/528/886

2007: 284/352/379/731

[jersey cubs fan]

Jock against RHP:

 

2002: 333/372/580/952

2003: 317/342/492/834

2004: 258/310/465/775

2005: 268/348/466/814

2006: 303/358/528/886

2007: 284/352/379/731

 

halfway decent

[TruffleShuffle]

Jock against RHP:

 

2002: 333/372/580/952

2003: 317/342/492/834

2004: 258/310/465/775

2005: 268/348/466/814

2006: 303/358/528/886

2007: 284/352/379/731

 

halfway decent

 

really? Because last year he ranked 16th out of 84 in OPS among outfielders with 300 or more PA against RHP. Just ahead of Soriano, Vladmir Guerrero, Cuddyer, Dunn, and (believe it or not) Matt Murton. But yeah you're right, it's only "halfway decent."

 

 

2005: 33rd out of 82

2004: 59th out of 83

2003: 38th out of 79

2002: 11th out of 76

[jersey cubs fan]

Jock against RHP:

 

2002: 333/372/580/952

2003: 317/342/492/834

2004: 258/310/465/775

2005: 268/348/466/814

2006: 303/358/528/886

2007: 284/352/379/731

 

halfway decent

 

really? Because last year he ranked 16th out of 84 in OPS among outfielders with 300 or more PA against RHP. Just ahead of Soriano, Vladmir Guerrero, Cuddyer, Dunn, and (believe it or not) Matt Murton. But yeah you're right, it's only "halfway decent."

 

Last year was also the 2nd best number on your list. It's a little foolish to list 6 data points and only focus on one of them to describe the whole thing. Furthermore, since his OPS is SLG weighted, and OBP weak, his actual production isn't as good as the OPS suggests. But that's a different story. I see 2 bad years, 2 good years, and 2 okay years. But then again, it's only his numbers vs RHP. If you have a guy whose making $5m as a platoon player, he should be considerably better than what you are showing against the pitchers he supposedly hits well against.

[TruffleShuffle]

Jock against RHP:

 

2002: 333/372/580/952

2003: 317/342/492/834

2004: 258/310/465/775

2005: 268/348/466/814

2006: 303/358/528/886

2007: 284/352/379/731

 

halfway decent

 

really? Because last year he ranked 16th out of 84 in OPS among outfielders with 300 or more PA against RHP. Just ahead of Soriano, Vladmir Guerrero, Cuddyer, Dunn, and (believe it or not) Matt Murton. But yeah you're right, it's only "halfway decent."

 

Last year was also the 2nd best number on your list. It's a little foolish to list 6 data points and only focus on one of them to describe the whole thing. Furthermore, since his OPS is SLG weighted, and OBP weak, his actual production isn't as good as the OPS suggests. But that's a different story. I see 2 bad years, 2 good years, and 2 okay years. But then again, it's only his numbers vs RHP. If you have a guy whose making $5m as a platoon player, he should be considerably better than what you are showing against the pitchers he supposedly hits well against.

 

check the post again, and also you may want to take a look at what other people around MLB are making. And since the Cubs have already signed him, I don't see the point in running him off this team unless there's a better option available.

[jersey cubs fan]

check the post again, and also you may want to take a look at what other people around MLB are making. And since the Cubs have already signed him, I don't see the point in running him off this team unless there's a better option available.

 

I responded to the post as you wrote it.

 

I never asked to run him off. I'd like him traded if they can get value, but I called from the start of spring to have him in CF. Prior to that I wanted him in a platoon in a corner spot.

 

One way or another, he can't play as frequently as he does.

[TruffleShuffle]

check the post again, and also you may want to take a look at what other people around MLB are making. And since the Cubs have already signed him, I don't see the point in running him off this team unless there's a better option available.

 

I responded to the post as you wrote it.

 

I never asked to run him off. I'd like him traded if they can get value, but I called from the start of spring to have him in CF. Prior to that I wanted him in a platoon in a corner spot.

 

One way or another, he can't play as frequently as he does.

 

well at least we agree on that. I wasn't thrilled about the signing, but I think he's a decent value provided that the Cubs play someone else (even Pagan) in CF against LHP. I don't disagree that they should try to get value for him in a trade, but I would like to see Pie in the minors for a while longer, because right now he just doesn't hae the discipline to be an adequate major league hitter.