Exactly a month until the draft. Who are we gonna take???

[Mephistopheles]

possibly. i havent seen tape or anything on him since aflac, where he didnt exactly impress.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

btw bandWGN is the most incredibly gay thing in the history of humanity.

 

Since we're gonna go ahead and use gay as an insult.

 

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[RichHillIsABeast]

and anyone on the vittersbandwgn must love matt murton too much. Vitters potential is Murton's bat. It's not elite production at his position. You HAVE to take a guy with elite production potential with the third pick in the draft.

 

 

btw bandWGN is the most incredibly gay thing in the history of humanity.

 

Hmm, Callis thinks Vitters is the top position player in the draft. I'm not sure where you get the Matt Murton comp, b/c they're not remotely the same player.

[Mephistopheles]

sure they are. good batting average hitters with not so special power for their positions. its a great comparison, production wise.

[RichHillIsABeast]

sure they are. good batting average hitters with not so special power for their positions. its a great comparison, production wise.

 

I guess BA and undeveloped power is all it takes today for a good comp.

 

Vitters is how old?

 

Vitters has a natural swing for power and hasn't added bulk yet, which his frame is more than capable of carrying. Murton has had the bulk, but not the swing. Big difference, especially when considering the odds of reaching a ceiling.

[RammyFanny]

sure they are. good batting average hitters with not so special power for their positions. its a great comparison, production wise.

 

Now, but you're comparing a 6'1 25-26 year old MLB hitter to a 6'4 and 3/4ths (read that Vitters is up there now) 17 year old who is still growing into his body. I don't know for sure, but I can say pretty confidently Murton didn't show Vitters power potential at 17.

[Mephistopheles]

Vitters has a natural swing for power and hasn't added bulk yet, which his frame is more than capable of carrying.

 

Unfortunately, just because you say something it doesn't make it true. Even your God (BA and Callis) thinks he'll never develop 30 home run power.

 

I'm saying BA improperly ranks tools on how important they are. This isn't exactly a radical idea. BA has always loved the speed tool and "pure hitter" which is just translated as "decent BA but not great power but we love his swing which doesnt mean jack but we love it so we need to compliment it"

[Mephistopheles]

sure they are. good batting average hitters with not so special power for their positions. its a great comparison, production wise.

 

Now, but you're comparing a 6'1 25-26 year old MLB hitter to a 6'4 and 3/4ths (read that Vitters is up there now) 17 year old who is still growing into his body. I don't know for sure, but I can say pretty confidently Murton didn't show Vitters power potential at 17.

 

Im not comparing Murton at 17 to Vitters at 17. Im comparing what others are projecting Vitters as, and it's not all that different from Murton, maybe a little better but I don't like the idea that I can make a valid comparison to Matt Murton with a guy we're supposedly looking at with the third pick in the draft.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Vitters has a natural swing for power and hasn't added bulk yet, which his frame is more than capable of carrying.

 

Unfortunately, just because you say something it doesn't make it true. Even your God (BA and Callis) thinks he'll never develop 30 home run power.

 

I'm saying BA improperly ranks tools on how important they are. This isn't exactly a radical idea. BA has always loved the speed tool and "pure hitter" which is just translated as "decent BA but not great power but we love his swing which doesnt mean jack but we love it so we need to compliment it"

 

What's with the condescending attitude in almost every one of your posts?

 

Vitters is described as having plus power by scouts. Is it plus plus power? Not presently. It's not BA or Callis improperly valuing tools that's moved Vitters' stock up.

 

Reportedly Wilken is enamored with Vitters. Wilken's record speaks for itself.

[Mephistopheles]

Reportedly Wilken is enamored with Vitters. Wilken's record speaks for itself.

 

youre right, hes missed out on a lot of guys. you take your blind faith. ill be critical.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Reportedly Wilken is enamored with Vitters. Wilken's record speaks for itself.

 

youre right, hes missed out on a lot of guys. you take your blind faith. ill be critical.

 

I'll take Wilken's track record over your opinions.

[Mephistopheles]

Fine, he's no saint. Neither am I. Even if you accept him as having 30-35 HR power he's still inferior to Wieters in every possible way.

[CubinNY]

Fine, he's no saint. Neither am I. Even if you accept him as having 30-35 HR power he's still inferior to Wieters in every possible way.

 

I'm no scout, nor am I an expert, but I'd like the Cubs to draft Wieters.

 

At this point I trust Wilkens to do the right thing

[the splendid splinter]

Yes Blake. My only concern with him is his health, he's got an unorthodox delivery. He's probably the second best HS pitcher I've ever seen. That list includes Troy Patton, Homer Bailey, Kyle Drabek, James Loney and Joe Savery. The only guy better would have to be Scott Kazmir, although I wasn't able to make it up to Dallas last year to see Kershaw. Drabek might be better. To me, Beaven is a carbon copy of Jake Peavy. Their motion is the same. He's got a running low 90s two seam fastball with projectability and a plus slider, that at least in the Aflac game was the best breaking pitch I saw. He struggled some with it in the game I saw. He also hides the ball well with his delivery which ought to give him a great chance to develop a good changeup like Peavy giving him three solid to plus pitches with good command. The other top HS pitchers throw a tick harder, but, at least what I have seen, have near the movement he does. " I hope your not comparing heights, because Beavan might have Peavy by 7 inches, Beavan is at least 6'6 and Peavy by some listing is about 5'11.

 

Moustakas wouldn't be terrible, but I don't understand why either of them should be taken over Wieters. If Wieters doesn't stick behind the plate, he's certainly capable of playing LF, RF, 1B or 3B. Vitters doesn't appear to have the arm to play right well. Wieters appears to have more power and a very disciplined approach at the plate. If he doesn't stick at home, his bat is good enough to play in RF. Wieters would probably play 3B well with his arm, quick feet and pretty good agility for a big guy. I don't understand why people think Vitters is a better move. Wieters has more power and at worst a similar approach and much better defensive tools. Vitters over him would be a mistake.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Per the thread title, I am making my call with the draft just a few weeks away now:

 

#1: Tampa--Wieters

#2: Kansas City--Moustakas

#3: Cubs--Price

[cuubs4life]

I saw a mock draft for baseball america subscribers. any one get it?

[Soriano12]

oh crap is Barrett bad....Please don't pass on Wieters.

[Rob]

Fine, he's no saint. Neither am I. Even if you accept him as having 30-35 HR power he's still inferior to Wieters in every possible way.

 

Age?

[davearm]

Fine, he's no saint. Neither am I. Even if you accept him as having 30-35 HR power he's still inferior to Wieters in every possible way.

 

Age?

Vitters may be younger, but he's also further from the bigleagues, probably by a couple of years.

 

I'd say age is basically a wash.

[Rob]

Fine, he's no saint. Neither am I. Even if you accept him as having 30-35 HR power he's still inferior to Wieters in every possible way.

 

Age?

Vitters may be younger, but he's also further from the bigleagues, probably by a couple of years.

 

I'd say age is basically a wash.

 

It wasn't really a question; I was just being a smartass.

[Guest]

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/17299157.htm

 

Hendry was at Jarrod Parker's most recent start on Tuesday. Parker topped out at 96.

[Drew Doughty]

Scherzer signs

 

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/0530scherzer-ON.html

[CubinNY]

Do you know what sucks?

 

In relation to the Chicago Cubs National League Ball Club, the draft is all we have to look forward to this year.

 

Even September call-ups can't get me fired up.

[The Hawk]

From Keith Law's Chat today:

 

Link: http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=16004

 

 

Eric (Accord, NY): What do you think the Pirates will do in the draft?

 

Keith Law: (1:32 PM ET ) This is the question on the lips of every scouting director behind Pittsburgh, which holds the fourth pick. No one knows where they're leaning. Dave Littlefield has said publicly he's not sure taking a pitcher in the first round is a good idea (and after Lincoln, Bullington, Van Benschoten, Bradley, Burnett, and Johnston all blew out their arms, he might be on to something), but I know they've been scouting first-round arms as usual. If the Cubs end up taking Wieters (unlikely) or Parker, I do think the Pirates will take Vitters. I'll have a first-round projection up tomorrow and should have more information then.

 

 

ML Chicago: Why is Weiters an unlikely pick for the Cubs? Who will they and who should they pick at #3?

 

Keith Law: (1:49 PM ET ) I'm hearing that the Cubs can't exceed slot money, and Wieters/Boras are allegedly looking for a Teixeira contract (over $10MM). I think they'll take Vitters, although I have heard they like Jarrod Parker. I just think Vitters is more likely, given Tim Wilken's scouting preferences and track record.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Wait, why can't we exceed slot money?