Soriano permanently finished with CF?

[frostwyrm]

Alfonso Soriano went 2-for-6 with two runs scored in his return from a hamstring strain on Monday.

 

As planned, Soriano was in left field tonight. It will likely be his permanent position, perhaps for all eight years of his contract.

 

I think rotoworld is premature to say Fonz will likely stay away from CF for the next 8 years, but I think the odds are definitely better than 50-50 that Lou won't rename him the primary CF in 2007, especially if he gets on a hot streak soon. Lou will assume it's partly due to the position change to LF. Obiviously if Pie sticks in the majors the Fonz is done in CF, but I'm not convinced Pie is ready.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Lou's already said he's leaving Soriano in LF.

[C.C.]

Yeah, I thought this was old news??

[Soriano12]

Damn, that was shorter than Ricky Martin's career.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's simply not that valuable as a LF. This could really hurt whatever chance he had of living up to that contract.

[C.C.]

He's simply not that valuable as a LF. This could really hurt whatever chance he had of living up to that contract.

 

What do you mean?

[jersey cubs fan]

He's simply not that valuable as a LF. This could really hurt whatever chance he had of living up to that contract.

 

What do you mean?

 

I mean, his offensive ability is unique at 2nd, same as center. As a LF, he's just another bat, nowhere close to deserving the type of contract he got. He's a 2nd rate star to begin with, now he's going to be playing the easiest to fill spot on the roster (taking away his value).

 

Add this to the fact that he's clearly not a leadoff hitter, yet he's going to be leading off for the Cubs for the foreseeable future, and it becomes clear the Cubs are getting the least bang for their buck as possible. Obviously, that's par for the course with Hendry.

[frostwyrm]

Lou's already said he's leaving Soriano in LF.

 

What, do you mean Lou said Fonz is staying in LF even after his hammy is healed? I haven't heard that. I thought LF was still officially a method of aiding Fonz's healing process and not a permanent assignment.

[Chocolate Milk]

He's simply not that valuable as a LF. This could really hurt whatever chance he had of living up to that contract.

 

How long did you think he was going to stay there? I always figured it was a temporary move until Pie was brought up.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lou's already said he's leaving Soriano in LF.

 

What, do you mean Lou said Fonz is staying in LF even after his hammy is healed? I haven't heard that. I thought LF was still officially a method of aiding Fonz's healing process and not a permanent assignment.

 

Everything I've read gave me the impression that it's permanent. But I'm not sure if Lou specifically said it's permanent.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Lou's already said he's leaving Soriano in LF.

 

What, do you mean Lou said Fonz is staying in LF even after his hammy is healed? I haven't heard that. I thought LF was still officially a method of aiding Fonz's healing process and not a permanent assignment.

 

Everything I've read gave me the impression that it's permanent. But I'm not sure if Lou specifically said it's permanent.

 

Lou[/url]"]We'll leave the young man in left field. He had a great year last year. This is the right move at the right time, because of his leg. But at the same time, I think we don't move him any more and just leave him in left field and let him play.

[frostwyrm]

 

Lou[/url]"]We'll leave the young man in left field. He had a great year last year. This is the right move at the right time, because of his leg. But at the same time, I think we don't move him any more and just leave him in left field and let him play.

 

Well that sucks. A terrible contract just got worse.

[Garwilly]

 

Lou[/url]"]We'll leave the young man in left field. He had a great year last year. This is the right move at the right time, because of his leg. But at the same time, I think we don't move him any more and just leave him in left field and let him play.

 

Well that sucks. A terrible contract just got worse.

 

You're right, put Pie in left and Soriano is center...........

[Allroy]

Pie is way better defensively than Soriano, he needs to play center. At the plate, they seem to be about the same from what I've seen.

[Chocolate Milk]

Unless Pie is traded, this move was inevitable. I don't see why people are surprised about it.

[rawaction]

I thought Soriano looked good in CF.

 

As for his value being hurt, I don't see why. He's still above average offensively as a LF. If you take his numbers from last year, he was the 4th best LF and 2nd best CF. If you assume a little better than his career numbers (.850 OPS), he becomes the the 8th most productive CF and 10th in LF.

 

For the record, there are 5 LFs putting up a better OPS than Soriano had last year, and 7 CFs.

[frostwyrm]

Unless Pie is traded, this move was inevitable. I don't see why people are surprised about it.

 

If Soriano is really an adequate CF then by all means Pie should be traded while his value is high. LF is an easy position to fill and Soriano's offense is far more valuable coming from CF. People who say positions are unimportant don't understand the economics involved. How valuable would Pujols be if he played CF? Certainly more valuable than at 1B or LF.

[frostwyrm]

I thought Soriano looked good in CF.

 

As for his value being hurt, I don't see why. He's still above average offensively as a LF. If you take his numbers from last year, he was the 4th best LF and 2nd best CF. If you assume a little better than his career numbers (.850 OPS), he becomes the the 8th most productive CF and 10th in LF.

 

For the record, there are 5 LFs putting up a better OPS than Soriano had last year, and 7 CFs.

 

I would hope just being above average is not the yardstick we measure a $136M player by, especially not one on the wrong side of 30.

[Chocolate Milk]

Unless Pie is traded, this move was inevitable. I don't see why people are surprised about it.

 

If Soriano is really an adequate CF then by all means Pie should be traded while his value is high. LF is an easy position to fill and Soriano's offense is far more valuable coming from CF. People who say positions are unimportant don't understand the economics involved. How valuable would Pujols be if he played CF? Certainly more valuable than at 1B or LF.

 

So trading away a cheap internal solution for CF is the best way to manage payroll? Soriano is already on the team. We're going to have to pay him. Trading away Pie, puting Soriano at CF, and finding an outside option for the coner outfield isn't going to save the Cubs any money.

[ConstableRabbit]

 

Lou[/url]"]We'll leave the young man in left field. He had a great year last year. This is the right move at the right time, because of his leg. But at the same time, I think we don't move him any more and just leave him in left field and let him play.

 

Well that sucks. A terrible contract just got worse.

 

It's not like he forgot how to play center and 2b. This is just the best place for him now. With Pie in center, it makes a lot of sense.

[davearm]

Unless Pie is traded, this move was inevitable. I don't see why people are surprised about it.

 

If Soriano is really an adequate CF then by all means Pie should be traded while his value is high. LF is an easy position to fill and Soriano's offense is far more valuable coming from CF. People who say positions are unimportant don't understand the economics involved. How valuable would Pujols be if he played CF? Certainly more valuable than at 1B or LF.

Define "valuable". Like as in trade value? Soriano's not getting traded. And his value on the FA market is obviously irrelevant now.

 

Soriano does not have more value to the Cubs as a CF, if they're sold on Pie.

 

Similarly, Pujols is not getting traded, and he doesn't have value to the Cards as a CF (or at least hasn't in the past), because of Edmonds.

 

For Soriano to have value as a CF to the Cubs, you'd need to find a trade involving Pie that nets a LF that's better than Pie, both offensively and defensively. Only then would the Cubs be better off as a team with Soriano in CF.

[waffle]

Decreases his value? It was MVP level last year, except for his defense.

 

Pie has already shown he has the D skills we lack. Stick him in center.

 

Murton needs AB's and time to become an AVERAGE OF'r. That should be our lineup for the remainder of the year with Floyd/Jones getting spot appearances in C/RF...

[Soul]

Unless Pie is traded, this move was inevitable. I don't see why people are surprised about it.

 

If Soriano is really an adequate CF then by all means Pie should be traded while his value is high. LF is an easy position to fill and Soriano's offense is far more valuable coming from CF. People who say positions are unimportant don't understand the economics involved. How valuable would Pujols be if he played CF? Certainly more valuable than at 1B or LF.

 

So trading away a cheap internal solution for CF is the best way to manage payroll? Soriano is already on the team. We're going to have to pay him. Trading away Pie, puting Soriano at CF, and finding an outside option for the coner outfield isn't going to save the Cubs any money.

 

The moment Jones starts to hit a little I would try like hell to move him. I don't care what anyone says, Jones is the guy who should be moved. He's always been the guy who should be moved.

 

Heck, he himself wanted to be moved anyway.

[XZero771679666304]

Unless Pie is traded, this move was inevitable. I don't see why people are surprised about it.

 

If Soriano is really an adequate CF then by all means Pie should be traded while his value is high. LF is an easy position to fill and Soriano's offense is far more valuable coming from CF. People who say positions are unimportant don't understand the economics involved. How valuable would Pujols be if he played CF? Certainly more valuable than at 1B or LF.

Define "valuable". Like as in trade value? Soriano's not getting traded. And his value on the FA market is obviously irrelevant now.

 

Soriano does not have more value to the Cubs as a CF, if they're sold on Pie.

 

Similarly, Pujols is not getting traded, and he doesn't have value to the Cards as a CF (or at least hasn't in the past), because of Edmonds.

 

For Soriano to have value as a CF to the Cubs, you'd need to find a trade involving Pie that nets a LF that's better than Pie, both offensively and defensively. Only then would the Cubs be better off as a team with Soriano in CF.

 

Value is production (and salary) relative to average for the position. There are a lot of LF'ers who hit at near the level Soriano does, but there are few CF'ers, and even fewer 2B. So when he is in LF the Cubs are paying him an enormous sum to be not that far above average for the position. Offensively, Alsonso would be an elite CF, but not so with LF.

[neely crenshaw]

i'm sorry but if we get the 40+ hr from our left fielder that is big not above average. add in the potential 300 average and stolen bases, i actually think this will keep it from being a horrible contract.

 

being abutcher in center and blocking our best prospect could make it a horrible contract.

 

the horrible part lies with hendry...he now has signed 3 players that should play left field in floyd,jones and soriano. then add in the cheapest one is murton..

 

he has now also devalued jones and murton because all teams know we have(or need) to trade them. we will not get anything like we could have for murton. jones i will be happy if we don't have to pick up any salary.