Miller is awful

[dew1679666265]

Who the hell is Les Warlond, and when did he become so effective?

 

journeyman, he made a few starts for the Cubs last year (and sucked) and pitched a little bullpen in september. Ever since spring training he's been lights out.

I just don't get it. Those stats Fred posted clearly show how terrible he was last year, the only bright spot being his high K rate, which was completely overshadowed by his inability to prevent hits or walks.

 

Oh, and I guess it's spelled "Walrond". Looking at his Baseball Cube stats I can see that he's really just been everywhere, never really finding success. The guy is 30 now!

 

I keep thinking that "Walrond" is a cross between a Walnut and and Almond, but I can't figure out where the stupid R comes from.

 

 

It's a cross between *walrus* and almond.

 

Every time I hear his name, I think of walrus'. Odd.

 

Also, I seriously doubt - as bad as Miller's been - that O'Malley or Walrond would do any better. I'm not sure Marmol would right now either. I'll take Guzman personally.

 

I agree about O'Malley and Walrond. They are AAA rotation filler and should not even remotely considered for the major league rotation.

 

Pie seems to have the tools but the Cubs are too desperate for offense to stick with him right now. My guess is that he goes down any day now and they bring up Cherry to fortify the bullpen. When time comes to need the 5th starter again they bring up Guzman, send down Cherry and exile Miller to long relief. I don't see Hendry giving up on him just yet. First of all, he will want to be sure that Guzman can cut it so he will want him as insurance, secondly he probably would want to hold on to him in an effort to get something for him in a trade somewhere down the road.

 

I don't know that we'll keep Miller after he leaves the rotation (hopefully now). First, Miller will be pissed at the demotion, second I doubt Lou will have any desire to go with a pitcher that has proven he no longer has what it takes. I think Hendry will realize this and cut Miller.

 

If Guzman struggles, Jones and a prospect or two may be dangled for a starter. Or, Prior may eventually get healthy or they may give Marmol a shot. Once out of the rotation though, I expect Miller to no longer be with the team.

[A New Era]

And out of the team he should be. Don't scold me for this. But one of the reasons this team is always in spots like this, is because they don't take initiative and take a chance on a promising young guy. Instead of sticking with Miller, who almost all of us saw as not having it anymore. They should have went with Guzman from the beggining. And now that Miller has proven he cannot keep up with major leaguers, they need to roll the dice with one of our few promising young guys.

[chuckywang]

Where's Sean Marshall?

[Brian]

Where's Sean Marshall?

 

rehabbing from a shoulder injury.

[dew1679666265]

And out of the team he should be. Don't scold me for this. But one of the reasons this team is always in spots like this, is because they don't take initiative and take a chance on a promising young guy. Instead of sticking with Miller, who almost all of us saw as not having it anymore. They should have went with Guzman from the beggining. And now that Miller has proven he cannot keep up with major leaguers, they need to roll the dice with one of our few promising young guys.

 

I don't take issue with cutting Miller and starting Guzman now. But, Lou and, I suppose, Rothschild felt that Guzman would make a great reliever. So it's not that they didn't take a chance on him, they just took a chance on him in the bullpen. It was working until we found that Miller no longer had it (I know some on here predicted this). Now, I haven't heard anything from Hendry, Lou, or Rothschild to indicate that they are less than willing to put Guz in the rotation.

 

I also don't have a problem with them not taking a chance on Marmol, Marshall, etc. after what we saw last year. They clearly weren't ready and I don't want them to be the first option while we're still clearly fighting for the playoffs.

[Guest]

Guzman is going to need a couple starts to get stretched back out. Miller's going to be around a little bit longer.

[dew1679666265]

Guzman is going to need a couple starts to get stretched back out. Miller's going to be around a little bit longer.

 

Perhaps only one more start. They can skip him the next go around and then he may start or Guz may be ready. I see no reason for more than one more start for Miller.

[imb]

These new google ads are terrrrrrrrrrrrrrible.

[soccer10k]

I don't know that we'll keep Miller after he leaves the rotation (hopefully now). First, Miller will be pissed at the demotion, second I doubt Lou will have any desire to go with a pitcher that has proven he no longer has what it takes. I think Hendry will realize this and cut Miller.

 

Miller has already stated that he had no desire to come out of the pen. So if the Cubs decide that they don't want Miller to start anymore he'll likely be traded or DFA.

[NCCubFan]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

He wouldn't be good at that either.

[imb]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

Seriously, and maybe now he realizes that he actually does suck, he'll come out of the pen like a good little boy.

[NCCubFan]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

He wouldn't be good at that either.

I don't think he would be either, but he could be the sacrificial innings eater for blowout games.

[Fred Hornkohl]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

He wouldn't be good at that either.

I don't think he would be either, but he could be the sacrificial innings eater for blowout games.

 

but then.... what will Will Ohman do ???

[frostwyrm]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

He wouldn't be good at that either.

I don't think he would be either, but he could be the sacrificial innings eater for blowout games.

 

I'd rather get the rookies some action in blowouts. Miller is also not a guy I'd want relieving in a winnable game either. If he can't pitch well enough to stay in the rotation I'd just clear his roster spot. Put him in Iowa and make him show he can still play.

[Soul]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

He wouldn't be good at that either.

I don't think he would be either, but he could be the sacrificial innings eater for blowout games.

 

I'd rather get the rookies some action in blowouts. Miller is also not a guy I'd want relieving in a winnable game either. If he can't pitch well enough to stay in the rotation I'd just clear his roster spot. Put him in Iowa and make him show he can still play.

 

Send down/cut:

 

Ohman

Miller

 

Bring up:

 

Guzman

Cherry

 

Problem not necessarily completely solved, but if I'm going to throw a starter out there to get whooped up on, then I'd rather it be a young guy like Guzman who has some upside than Miller, who's career is obviously not going to continue. Lots of us have been saying this for weeks now.

 

There's no reason for Wade to start another game for the Cubs.

[RyCubsFan]

I have no confidence in Miller anymore. If Guzman isn't stretched out enough, try Marmol. Heck, O'Malley looked great in his one start last year! There's at least a very slim chance he could do it again in another start. I don't think there's any chance Miller could go a complete game shut out.

[gflore34]

I have no confidence in Miller anymore. If Guzman isn't stretched out enough, try Marmol. Heck, O'Malley looked great in his one start last year! There's at least a very slim chance he could do it again in another start. I don't think there's any chance Miller could go a complete game shut out.

 

At this point a QS from Miller would be considered a near miracle.

[CubmanPi]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

He wouldn't be good at that either.

I don't think he would be either, but he could be the sacrificial innings eater for blowout games.

 

but then.... what will Will Ohman do ???

He'll be the innings-eater that turns a close game into a blowout game and get relieved by Miller.

[Fred Hornkohl]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

He wouldn't be good at that either.

I don't think he would be either, but he could be the sacrificial innings eater for blowout games.

 

but then.... what will Will Ohman do ???

He'll be the innings-eater that turns a close game into a blowout game and get relieved by Miller.

 

Don't "innings-eater"s have to face right handers, too ?? I don't see this turning out well.

[CubmanPi]

He'd have no choice but to come out of the pen if that's what the Cubs tell him to do as long as he wants to continue his baseball career and getting paid.

 

He wouldn't be good at that either.

I don't think he would be either, but he could be the sacrificial innings eater for blowout games.

 

but then.... what will Will Ohman do ???

He'll be the innings-eater that turns a close game into a blowout game and get relieved by Miller.

 

Don't "innings-eater"s have to face right handers, too ?? I don't see this turning out well.

With the exception of Rich Hill starts, that's pretty much my response to all things Cubs these days.

[Sammy Sofa]

This is so frustrating. First I wanted Miller to do decent just so the Cubs would get a great return on him in a trade. Then with Prior in limbo, I wanted him to do well so it would be easier to survive trading Zambrano for the kick in the pants this offense needs. Now he just sucks. Like this season has so far.

 

Nuts.

[YearofDaCubs]

Let's hope they get rid of this guy via trade or releasing him. Hendry's project didn't work out, time to cut his losses and move on.

[soapy]

The whole Miller situation illustrates perfectly what has been wrong with the Cubs for years (one of the things anyway). They'd rather go with guarenteed mediocracy (or worse) than take a chance with a young guy who is unproven. It's happen again, and again, and again and that's the reason I fully expect the Cubs to do something stupid like give Miller another start. I also expect to see Pie or Murton get sent down to the minors so they can go with Jones/Floyd in CF and/or RF. Hooray!!

[moorecg]

I'm going to the Game this Saturday in STL...could someone please tell me I don't have to see Miller and an assured loss...