Soriano's injury

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I liked how Lou on the post game tried to show how long the strain was. I've never in my life seen that.

[biittner77]

Will The Riot get any starts in CF? How much time is Ramirez supposed to miss?

[anabiono]

do you think this will have any effect on him batting leadoff when he returns?

 

pie in...jones out...

 

new leadoff...

 

could be good

[soapy]

whatever the case, the Cubs will be fine. It's not like Soriano was really helping them win games... I liked that Lou wasn't worried in the postgame show. He made a point to say that "injuries are a part of the game" and gave the impression that it isn't something that will get in the way of this team's ability to win. It shouldn't in the short term but it's nice to hear.

 

Last year, Dusty acted like the world was coming to an end when someone got injured. I think he managed that way too... His "snake bit" act was old.

 

Lou's response was a refreshing change, I guess, but I think it's a much bigger loss than you're making it out to be. Theriot isn't likely to maintain what he's done so far and there is still a question mark concerning Ramirez' wrist. Soriano may not be setting the world on fire right now, but at least there was a strong possibility there that he was going to snap out of it.

 

If he goes on the DL, it will certainly hurt the offense. Not to mention any possible lingering problems Soriano may have from the injury when he does return. It's very early, but the Cubs' are hitting a fairly important stretch of games right now and can't really afford to nose dive, even if it's just temporary.

[NewUserName]

If he is going to be gone 5 to 7 days, I think it would be in the best interest of the Cubs to just DL him and bring up Pie. If he can ph than they may want to consider sending down Cedeno and bringing up Pie.

[waffle]

I want to see how Lou configures the OF when Fonz returns. Personally I would put Fonz in LF for a few games so he wouldn't have to run as much and move Jones to CF. Murt would stay in RF.

 

I'd prefer Soriano in RF because he's got a much better arm.

I get the distinct sense that the sooner the Cubs put Soriano in left and leave him there for good, and quit trying to make him into something he's not, the better off everyone will be.

 

Maybe I'm wrong (and hopefully I am), and this whole CF thing will work out, but if it doesn't, my next move is not to try him in yet another unfamiliar spot like RF. The phrase, "out of the frying pan and into the fire" races to mind.

 

To me the issue is not what to do with Soriano, I think you have it completely right, its what to do with Jones and Floyd, how to play them where and when

 

I mean, if we had an OF of Murton, Pie and Soriano with Soriano in Left (or right...) Murton in the other corner and Pie in C, I would be REALLY happy with that, but what to do with Floyd and Jones? To me those are 2 wasted roster spots. Especially when you have Pagan and the Riot as very capable occasional replacements.

[Soul]

I want to see how Lou configures the OF when Fonz returns. Personally I would put Fonz in LF for a few games so he wouldn't have to run as much and move Jones to CF. Murt would stay in RF.

 

I'd prefer Soriano in RF because he's got a much better arm.

I get the distinct sense that the sooner the Cubs put Soriano in left and leave him there for good, and quit trying to make him into something he's not, the better off everyone will be.

 

Maybe I'm wrong (and hopefully I am), and this whole CF thing will work out, but if it doesn't, my next move is not to try him in yet another unfamiliar spot like RF. The phrase, "out of the frying pan and into the fire" races to mind.

 

To me the issue is not what to do with Soriano, I think you have it completely right, its what to do with Jones and Floyd, how to play them where and when

 

I mean, if we had an OF of Murton, Pie and Soriano with Soriano in Left (or right...) Murton in the other corner and Pie in C, I would be REALLY happy with that, but what to do with Floyd and Jones? To me those are 2 wasted roster spots. Especially when you have Pagan and the Riot as very capable occasional replacements.

 

Pagan is total junk. Floyd and Jones, if used off the bench, can provide some power. Theriot should be starting in at least some games.

 

No, going back to a wimpy, no power bench is a *terrible* idea.

[NCCubFan]

How much time is Ramirez supposed to miss?

Speculation during last night's telecast was that he has a chance of returning today, and if not likely by tomorrow night in Atlanta. He could have been used as a pinch hitter last night if needed.

If he is going to be gone 5 to 7 days' date=' I think it would be in the best interest of the Cubs to just DL him and bring up Pie. If he can ph than they may want to consider sending down Cedeno and bringing up Pie.[/quote']No on placing Soriano on the DL if he's going to miss 5 to 7 days, since the DL would mean missing 15 games. You don't go without Soriano a week longer than necessary just to create a roster spot now. I wouldn't object to sending Cedeno down and bringing Pie up (if Pie is going to start, that is), but they need to wait until Ramirez is fully healthy to do that. Since Theriot and DeRosa are both capable of playing OF if needed there isn't really any crisis there.

[NewUserName]

How much time is Ramirez supposed to miss?

Speculation during last night's telecast was that he has a chance of returning today, and if not likely by tomorrow night in Atlanta. He could have been used as a pinch hitter last night if needed.

If he is going to be gone 5 to 7 days' date=' I think it would be in the best interest of the Cubs to just DL him and bring up Pie. If he can ph than they may want to consider sending down Cedeno and bringing up Pie.[/quote']No on placing Soriano on the DL if he's going to miss 5 to 7 days, since the DL would mean missing 15 games. You don't go without Soriano a week longer than necessary just to create a roster spot now. I wouldn't object to sending Cedeno down and bringing Pie up (if Pie is going to start, that is), but they need to wait until Ramirez is fully healthy to do that. Since Theriot and DeRosa are both capable of playing OF if needed there isn't really any crisis there.

 

If Ramirez isnt playing soon though we will have 2 guys on the roster in limited roles. 1 of them will have to be DLed. If Ramirez is back sooner than Soriano must go on DL. If Ramirez can play today than I think we need to send Cedeno down and bring up Pie.

[waffle]

I want to see how Lou configures the OF when Fonz returns. Personally I would put Fonz in LF for a few games so he wouldn't have to run as much and move Jones to CF. Murt would stay in RF.

 

I'd prefer Soriano in RF because he's got a much better arm.

I get the distinct sense that the sooner the Cubs put Soriano in left and leave him there for good, and quit trying to make him into something he's not, the better off everyone will be.

 

Maybe I'm wrong (and hopefully I am), and this whole CF thing will work out, but if it doesn't, my next move is not to try him in yet another unfamiliar spot like RF. The phrase, "out of the frying pan and into the fire" races to mind.

 

To me the issue is not what to do with Soriano, I think you have it completely right, its what to do with Jones and Floyd, how to play them where and when

 

I mean, if we had an OF of Murton, Pie and Soriano with Soriano in Left (or right...) Murton in the other corner and Pie in C, I would be REALLY happy with that, but what to do with Floyd and Jones? To me those are 2 wasted roster spots. Especially when you have Pagan and the Riot as very capable occasional replacements.

 

Pagan is total junk. Floyd and Jones, if used off the bench, can provide some power. Theriot should be starting in at least some games.

 

No, going back to a wimpy, no power bench is a *terrible* idea.

 

Allright, so bench Floyd/jones. It won't be appreciated, but who cares? I just don't see the value of those 2 on this team. Pie/Murton/Soriano OF. Let them develop, let them stick to the same position. Get the riot a few games out there and have Floyd/Jones as situational guys off the bench and against pitchers they have a proven record against.

 

I just don't see the value of either of those players on this team. If they disappeared today, how much worse would we be?

[NewUserName]

I want to see how Lou configures the OF when Fonz returns. Personally I would put Fonz in LF for a few games so he wouldn't have to run as much and move Jones to CF. Murt would stay in RF.

 

I'd prefer Soriano in RF because he's got a much better arm.

I get the distinct sense that the sooner the Cubs put Soriano in left and leave him there for good, and quit trying to make him into something he's not, the better off everyone will be.

 

Maybe I'm wrong (and hopefully I am), and this whole CF thing will work out, but if it doesn't, my next move is not to try him in yet another unfamiliar spot like RF. The phrase, "out of the frying pan and into the fire" races to mind.

 

To me the issue is not what to do with Soriano, I think you have it completely right, its what to do with Jones and Floyd, how to play them where and when

 

I mean, if we had an OF of Murton, Pie and Soriano with Soriano in Left (or right...) Murton in the other corner and Pie in C, I would be REALLY happy with that, but what to do with Floyd and Jones? To me those are 2 wasted roster spots. Especially when you have Pagan and the Riot as very capable occasional replacements.

 

Pagan is total junk. Floyd and Jones, if used off the bench, can provide some power. Theriot should be starting in at least some games.

 

No, going back to a wimpy, no power bench is a *terrible* idea.

 

Allright, so bench Floyd/jones. It won't be appreciated, but who cares? I just don't see the value of those 2 on this team. Pie/Murton/Soriano OF. Let them develop, let them stick to the same position. Get the riot a few games out there and have Floyd/Jones as situational guys off the bench and against pitchers they have a proven record against.

 

I just don't see the value of either of those players on this team. If they disappeared today, how much worse would we be?

 

I think they are comparable but no valueless. I would be for trading Jones and bringing up Pie. I still think Floyd should be kept though. I dont want Ward playing substantial 1b time if Lee goes out. I also would still like to see Floyd get 2 starts a week in the OF against tough RHers.

 

Actually after thinking this whole thing over, I would like to see the Cubs just cut Ward or trade him for spare change and bring up Pie. Ward is of no use whatsoever on this team.

[Soriano12]

Hamstrings are nothing to mess around with...I'd say what's another week and half...put Sori on the 15 Day DL...and give Pie a 2 week trial in the majors...if he lights it up then you can move Jones midseason and have Pie step right in.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hamstrings are nothing to mess around with...I'd say what's another week and half...put Sori on the 15 Day DL...and give Pie a 2 week trial in the majors...if he lights it up then you can move Jones midseason and have Pie step right in.

 

I'd have to agree. Even if he can come back in a couple days and still swing, a huge part of his game is still his legs, and hammies tend to linger. Unless this heals immediately, I'd call up Pie tomorrow.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

With Ramirez still hurting and Soriano out for a few games, I think we might need to go to an 11-man pitching staff if no one is going to be DLed.

[Tedward]

Didn't we try to trade Jones before the season, and there were no takers? IMO, Jones isn't going to be easy to move. We're talking about a corner outfielder with a career sub .800 OPS and who is still owed @$10MM through next season. I think Hendry may have handcuffed himself on this one.

[Magnetic Curses]

Didn't we try to trade Jones before the season, and there were no takers? IMO, Jones isn't going to be easy to move. We're talking about a corner outfielder with a career sub .800 OPS and who is still owed @$10MM through next season. I think Hendry may have handcuffed himself on this one.

 

he's not making THAT much money for his production, really.

[RynoRules]

Hamstrings are nothing to mess around with...I'd say what's another week and half...put Sori on the 15 Day DL...and give Pie a 2 week trial in the majors...if he lights it up then you can move Jones midseason and have Pie step right in.

 

Bingo.

 

I wouldn't risk throwing fonz back into the fray with that sort of injury. We have managed to score some runs without ARam and with Soriano playing like junk. How much worse could Felix be? I see only upside to bringing him up - especially if it means that Jacque becomes expendable.

Edited April 17, 2007 by RynoRules

[Tedward]

he's not making THAT much money for his production, really.

 

Well, sure for a big market team I would agree, but I would think our options would be limited in dealing with certain teams....

[soapy]

Hamstrings are nothing to mess around with...I'd say what's another week and half...put Sori on the 15 Day DL...and give Pie a 2 week trial in the majors...if he lights it up then you can move Jones midseason and have Pie step right in.

 

I'd have to agree. Even if he can come back in a couple days and still swing, a huge part of his game is still his legs, and hammies tend to linger. Unless this heals immediately, I'd call up Pie tomorrow.

 

I think you guys have the right idea. I'm usually not too concerned about defense but Floyd, Jones, Murton could be pretty awful and it limits their options. Unless Soriano's injury is far less serious than thought, put him on the DL and get Pie in there. This carries the added bonus of getting Pie's feet wet and getting a glimpse of what he can do if you want to move Jones mid-season.

[Garwilly]

The score says Pie was called up

 

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[Chocolate Milk]

The score says Pie was called up

 

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Awesome.

[jersey cubs fan]

Didn't we try to trade Jones before the season, and there were no takers? IMO, Jones isn't going to be easy to move. We're talking about a corner outfielder with a career sub .800 OPS and who is still owed @$10MM through next season. I think Hendry may have handcuffed himself on this one.

 

he's not making THAT much money for his production, really.

 

He's making enough money so that teams will have to think twice about just adding him to their payroll. I'm not sure any teams other than the Yankees, Angels, Red Sox and Mets are in a position to simply add $5 million to their payroll without cutting costs elsewhere.

[Magnetic Curses]

Didn't we try to trade Jones before the season, and there were no takers? IMO, Jones isn't going to be easy to move. We're talking about a corner outfielder with a career sub .800 OPS and who is still owed @$10MM through next season. I think Hendry may have handcuffed himself on this one.

 

he's not making THAT much money for his production, really.

 

He's making enough money so that teams will have to think twice about just adding him to their payroll. I'm not sure any teams other than the Yankees, Angels, Red Sox and Mets are in a position to simply add $5 million to their payroll without cutting costs elsewhere.

 

it's not like we couldn't absorb a mil or two. 3-4 mil per would be a very fair deal for a guy coming off of a year that jones just had.

[soapy]

Didn't we try to trade Jones before the season, and there were no takers? IMO, Jones isn't going to be easy to move. We're talking about a corner outfielder with a career sub .800 OPS and who is still owed @$10MM through next season. I think Hendry may have handcuffed himself on this one.

 

he's not making THAT much money for his production, really.

 

He's making enough money so that teams will have to think twice about just adding him to their payroll. I'm not sure any teams other than the Yankees, Angels, Red Sox and Mets are in a position to simply add $5 million to their payroll without cutting costs elsewhere.

 

On the other hand, if some team suffers an injury in a corner outfield spot, they may be more inclined to make room if they feel desperate. Especially if the Cubs eat a few million.

[Pushfrog98]

For what it's worth, I ran track and cross country back in the day. I took a year off after high school before going to college (I had a scholarship, but needed the break). During my year off, I trained every day twice a day. Then one day, my hamstring went "POP" and my face hit the track pretty quickly.

 

It wasn't the worst hamstring injury ever, but it was more severe than what it appears Soriano suffered.

 

My point to all this though is that I could walk just fine with the injury, but once I'd try move faster or use any "strength" I would feel like I was going to collapse. So when Soriano walked off on his own power, I was still a bit scared...